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chelley

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Glad you are getting more info... I do believe that if they are planning on declining an application they generally request more info and /or an interview prior to doing so, so now you have some idea of what might make your case stronger...

If you decide to marry, size of the ceremony isn't always impt... We were married at a small boutique hotel in negril cliffs, just the two of us... Might have helped that my wedding gown was stretch pannel lol, but it needn't be a big or pricey affair (ours was lovely and cost only 900 plus room... This included pics which are impt when it comes to substianting a marriage...
 

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Yes, I am so grateful for the amount of replies and ppl helping with information.

We are not going to withdraw our current application, its just a matter of to be married or not. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt the application, but I'm just not sure to go out on a limb and leave the application as is and let it run course as conjugal partners. We have so much riding against us in the eyes of an IO. My boyfriend has already spoke with a marriage officer who said he would have everything arranged for us in May if we do decide. And it definitely would be intimate, just the 2 of us, and witnesses. I think we would have to take our own pics, as we really can't afford anything more than the nuptuals right now. I wish that we would recieve something in the mail as to an interview date, or even additional documents requested, just so that we could guage our time frame. I am keeping in mind the 14-16 month window though.
 

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Conjugal is an interesting class, and I've wondered about this very question you're facing before. SCC has affirmed that choosing whether to marry is a protected right - that is part of why CIC recognizes common-law relationships for immigration purposes. Here's my understanding of how CIC approaches the various situations two partners may find themselves in:

  • Partners are prevented from living together, and prevented from marrying: OK to apply as conjugal partners.
  • Partners are able to live together, but prevented from marrying: expected to wait until they have lived together for 1 year, then apply as common-law.
  • Partners are unable to live together, but able and willing to marry: expected to marry, then apply as spousal.
  • Partners are unable to live together, able but not willing to marry: ???

It would seem to be, that if the choice to marry is protected, then being simply unable to live together continuously long enough to qualify as common-law should be sufficient to allow you to apply as conjugal partners. The relevant section of processing manual OP2 mentions the supreme court decision on marriage, but it sort of dodges the issue of whether choice re marriage, combined with impediment to becoming common-law is sufficient. In fact, it's actually somewhat contradictory:

5.45. What is a conjugal partner?

This category was created for exceptional circumstances – for foreign national partners of
Canadian or permanent resident sponsors who would ordinarily apply as common-law partners
but for the fact that they have not been able to live together continuously for one year, usually
because of an immigration impediment. In most cases, the foreign partner is also not able to
marry their sponsor and qualify as a spouse.
In all other respects, the couple is similar to a
common-law couple or a married couple, i.e., they have been in a bona fide conjugal relationship
for a period of at least one year.

Both marriage and common-law partnership (common-law partnerships may be opposite-sex and
same-sex) are legally recognized in Canada for purposes of federal benefits and obligations
(Modernization of Benefits and Obligations Act, June 2000). In order to be eligible for federal
benefits, couples must either be married or meet the definition of common-law partner in each
statute or regulation. IRPA brought CIC’s immigration legislation into conformity with the
Modernization of Benefits and Obligations Act.

Because of Supreme Court decisions, the choice not to marry is a constitutionally protected
choice. Thus, CIC cannot require couples to marry in order to immigrate. However, if they are not
married, they must be common-law partners.
There is NO provision for fiancé(e)s or “intended
common-law partners” in IRPA. If a Canadian and a foreign national can get married or can live
together and establish a common-law relationship, this is what they are expected to have done
before they submit sponsorship and immigration applications.


So, first it says the conjugal class is for those who would usually apply as common-law, but then further down it says that if you can marry, you're expected to do so then apply as spouses.

:eek:

Anyway, if you had a conjugal partner class application in progress and got married, CIC would usually switch it to a spousal application. They are not technically required to, but the processing manual encourages it. See OP2 5.51.
 

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ash82 said:
We would like to live together and continue building our relationship as we have, without being forced into something we hadn't planned for as yet.
I would be worried that this quote would be taken as evidence that you are just 'trying out' the relationship to see if it works, which is specifically referred to as 'not conjugal' in the operating manual.
If you get married in a simple civil ceremony now, when you've said you want a big wedding, wouldn't the visa officer see this as a marriage of convenience? - you are just getting married to make the application look better.
I wish you luck, but I think it would have been better to have gotten married before the application.
And keep in mind, white applicants from the USA are not treated the same as black applicants from Jamaica.
 

ash82

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Good point, and I do realize the things you mentioned. If we had planned on getting married a year into our relationship, then we would have applied under the spousal category. But it is my belief and upbringing that allows me to choose when I would like to get married, and I believe in a long courtship, living together, getting engaged, enjoying life engaged for a few years, and then planning for a large ceremony with friends and family together. Even if we did get married within the process of this application, it wouldn't be a marriage of convenience, as we are going to get married eventually, it would simply a change of date, plans, and arrangements. Our relationship thus far can prove that it is not anything of convenience what so ever. I am learning and understand that you have to be very political when it comes to immigration, almost like walking on broken glass. Some things are extremely contradictory which makes it a lose-lose situation.

And I can see from an IO's point of view, that they are making sure the foreign nationals that they may be letting become PR's of Canada, have to be good people, and I would hope that whether a person is white or black, or any other race for that matter, would be approved for the person that they are inside, and their specific case, and their background. Not the color of their skin, or where they are from.....maybe I am naiive?

Matthewc thank you for your post, I hadn't actually scrolled down to the part in the operating manual where they talk about changing status within an application during processing, and it uses my particular situation as an example. This clears my mind of questions regarding that, so thanks!
 

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Ash... The reality is that some countries applications are scrutinized longer and harder due to the historical reputation of past applicants... Jamaica's reputation is sadly not great or even good... I don't think colour is the issue tho...

I can say, watching daily news here that immigration ties btwn Jamaica and the US are seriously deteroriating even more in recent months, not sure if Canada will follow suit... Hope not

the updated average processing timeline was just put up... Seems things are slowing down some more in Kingston :(

on a happier note... may is a great month to marry :) we were married in may :)

good luck and feel free to join in the Kingston discussion thread... Great group of supportive ladies...
 

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This discussion of "should I marry now" and "we're planning to marry later" causes me a nervous twinge and a repeat suggestion that you study the relevant sections of the OP2 manual regarding the definition of conjugal partners. It specifically states "Couples may say that they want to live together for a while before they get married, but cannot qualify as common-law partners because they cannot arrange their affairs to meet the cohabitation requirement. It is not the purpose of the conjugal-partner category to allow couples to
“try out” their relationship by living together before they get married. Such individuals are not yet in a conjugal relationship and thus are not conjugal partners.
Persons in a conjugal relationship have already made a significant commitment and intend to be together for a significant time or even permanently."

If in your application and/or your interview you imply that you were planning to marry at some later date, you will not be deemed conjugal partners. If you marry during the application process the manual states "...applicants are also obliged to inform the Department if aspects of their life change prior to the finalization of their case, including their marital/conjugal status. If their conjugal relationship changes (for example, if applicants are in a conjugal-partner relationship with a sponsor and the applicant and sponsor marry), then officers should make adjustments to the application (i.e., coding) and should proceed with processing in terms of the new conjugal relationship." At that point you will probably be required to submit any parts of the spousal application that are different from the conjugal partner application.
 

ash82

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So, basically, it stands like this. If we leave the application as is, and do not get married within processing, then during an interview, we should not disclose any intention of being married. Focus on stating the fact that it is our choice not to be married, and that there is no law forcing ppl to be married for the intent of immigration process. (this is what I am gathering from reading the OP) Any other aspect of being conjugal partners, I don't think we would have a problem qualifying under ie. socially, emotionally, physically and financially. And, if we get married, send in the applicable documentation and evidence, and hope they continue processing current application as spousal partners.

I'm going to be sheepishly optimistic, and tell myself that it may be a good thing that we haven't had any correspondence from them since we received the AOR back in Nov09, requesting any additional documents or other supporting evidence? Maybe it means that they are satisfied with the information we compiled, and don't have to look deeper into anything regarding the conjugal partner status? It has been just about 6 mos, and I'm hoping that by this time they would have looked over the application and decided if they needed more supporting evidence?
 

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Yes, that matches my understanding of the conjugal class requirements exactly - if you intend to get married at some point, then they are justified (at least in their eyes) in requiring you to marry before immigrating. If you do not intend to get married, and can prove that you have an otherwise-qualifying conjugal relationship, then they should approve you under the conjugal class. So, if it goes to an interview without you being married, don't state an intention to marry eventually.

I have a lot of sympathy for your situation, as I also did not want to marry just to facilitate immigration; not because we weren't in a genuine, committed, relationship, but because it wasn't the right time yet, and we didn't want to rush our plans in order for me to continue working/living in Canada. Luckily we were able to live together in Canada long enough to qualify as common law. We're getting married this year - by choice not necessity - shortly after I'll qualify for citizenship.
 

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Ash whatever ended up happening to your case?

I applied under the conjugal category too. My partner is from Canada. I am from the USA. Anyways, I just wanted to see what happened with your case. I am curious because I recently just recieved a letter stating that the officer is not satisfied, and is requesting more information regarding the genuinity and level of committment we have with each other.

I really appreciate all the feedback that you have collected and has saved me some hardwork of asking the same questions over again. Now I can get the proof I need to proved to the officer and hopefully it will help to solve any misunderstanding. If your application has been approved/denied, any suggestions or helpful advice? Thanks and hopefully all is well now!

Kerianne
 

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Finally a thread discussing the same situation I'm in!
I've scoured the internet trying to find the answer to this very question. SHOULD applicants be forced to marry instead of applying for Conjugal Sponsorship. I've met with a (expensive) immigration lawyer who has assured me our desire to be unmarried should not affect our application.

I realize this thread is from years ago. I'd love to know how it ended.
 

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Finally a thread discussing the same situation I'm in!
I've scoured the internet trying to find the answer to this very question. SHOULD applicants be forced to marry instead of applying for Conjugal Sponsorship. I've met with a (expensive) immigration lawyer who has assured me our desire to be unmarried should not affect our application.

I realize this thread is from years ago. I'd love to know how it ended.
You can apply for common law. Conjugal is very different.
 

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Finally a thread discussing the same situation I'm in!
I've scoured the internet trying to find the answer to this very question. SHOULD applicants be forced to marry instead of applying for Conjugal Sponsorship. I've met with a (expensive) immigration lawyer who has assured me our desire to be unmarried should not affect our application.

I realize this thread is from years ago. I'd love to know how it ended.
Well, if you look at her posting history, her last post in April 2010 indicates that she was about to get married and move ahead with a spousal sponsorship rather than conjugal, so it's probably not that helpful a case for you. That said, maybe by reviving this thread someone else can offer their experience.