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[Ali-N]

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[Ali-N]

Some useful information regarding schooling in Canada. Re-posting from another forum as is:

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For people interested in Schooling details in Canada :
Canadian Schooling system
"As an immigrating parent, understanding Canada's school system is of fundamental importance -- especially due to the gradation structure, age considerations & varieties available. If you're coming from the UK, it's very different and can be a confusing and often misunderstood.

OVERVIEW

Sans the Pvt Schools - Education in Canada is publicly funded and overseen by federal, provincial, and local governments. Which means, our children get to be educated for free. [I repeat]Schooling is provided without charge for all residents of Canada - they have a right to education.

Schools in Canada are generally divided into Elementary education, followed by Secondary or "High School". Within the provinces under the ministry of education, there are "District School Boards" administering the educational programs. These school boards would follow a common curriculum set up by the province the board resides in. Only Alberta allows public charter schools, which are independent of any district board. Instead, they each have their own board, which reports directly to the province.

Compulsory Education
Education is compulsory between the ages of 6 to 16 in every province in Canada, except Ontario and New Brunswick, where the compulsory age is 18. Most children begin school at age 4, with part time schooling called "Kindergarten". Elementary school generally runs between grades 1 to 8, and Secondary [or] “high school” between grades 9 and 12.

Note:
- About one out of ten [1:10] Canadians do not have a high school diploma – one in seven [1:7] has a university degree – the adult population that is without a high school diploma is a combination of both immigrant and Canadian-born. In many places, publicly-funded high school courses are offered to the adult population.
- Canada spends about 7% of its GDP on education. Since the adoption of section 23 of the Constitution Act, 1982, education in both English and French has been available in most places across Canada (if the population of children speaking the minority language justifies it), although French Second Language [FSL] education/French Immersion is available to anglophone students across Canada.

THE SCHOOL YEAR

The school year runs from September to June, five days a week, for usually six hours a day. Canada generally has 190 school days in the year, officially starting from September (after Labour Day) to the end of June (usually the last Friday of the month, except some cases in Quebec when it is just before June 24 – the provincial holiday).

THE CURRICULUM

Canada has its own unique schooling standards - it is run neither as the UK, nor on the US patterns. The standard is intrinsic to its own culture, traditions & development strategies.

The curriculum is designed to elicit development and quality of people's cognition through the guiding of accommodations of individuals to their natural environment and their changing social order. Some Canadian scholars view academics as a form of "soft power" - helping to educate and to create positive attitudes.

Furthermore, subjects that typically get assessed (i.e., language, arts, mathematics, and science) assume greater importance than non-assessed subjects (i.e., music, visual arts, and physical education) or facets of the curriculum (i.e., reading & writing versus speaking & listening). The students in the Canadian school system receive a variety of classes that are offered to them. The system is set up to meet the diverse needs of the individual student.

Advantages of Canadian schooling
- Canadian schools generally are more relaxed.
- They aim to nurture well rounded individuals.
- Kids carry a backpack - but usually don't have much books or note-pads.
- Instead it'd have an Agenda [School diary] & two [2] Tiffin boxes [a Snack box & a Lunch box] - they get three [3] breaks a day!
- Students of walking distance from the school get to go home for lunch.
- Students afar [but within the neighborhood] get the school Transportation* - for FREE.
- Many parents report that their children are happier and less stressed at Canadian schools than they were at their overseas schools.
*It's a regulation that our kids go to their neighborhood schools [only].

TYPES OF SCHOOLS

There are multiple types of schooling available for our children in Canada:
1. Public Schools – The public school system in Canada is free. Children are not required to wear uniforms. -Free school
2. Catholic Schools – The Catholic school system is also free. Students here are required to wear uniforms. -Free school
3. Private Schools – Private schools charge tuition fees, and can be expensive. Uniforms are required at most private schools. -Paid school
4. Ethnic Schools – Uniformed & Charged - they offer a specialized curriculum based on language, religion or ethnicity. -Paid school
5. Home schooling – Parents can choose to teach their children at home, but they are expected to meet the same standards of the public system.

Private Schools

Only about 8% of students are in private schools. A minority of these are "elite" private schools. It is not unusual for the wealthy and prominent in Canada to send their children to public schools [Note: Not Private Schools], especially in the lower grades. Private schools are also used to study outside the country. Eg. Canadian College Italy has an Ontario curriculum, but the students study in Italy.

Private schools have historically been less common on the Canadian Prairies and were often forbidden under municipal and provincial statutes enacted to provide equality of education to students regardless of family income. This is especially true in Alberta, where successive Social Credit (or populist conservative) governments denounced the concept of private education as the main cause of denial of opportunity to the children of the working poor. These rules lasted longer than Social Credit; it was only in 1989 that private K-12 schools were allowed to operate inside the boundaries of the City of Calgary.

Ethnic / Religious schools

Each province deals differently with private religious schools. Ontario has several private Jewish, Muslim, and Christian schools all funded through tuition fees. In other provinces many privately operated religious schools are funded [not all]. In British Columbia the government pays 50% of the cost of religious schools that meet rigorous provincial standards. The province has a number of Sikh, Hindu, Christian, and Muslim schools.

Alberta also has a network of charter schools, which are fully funded schools offering distinct approaches to education within the public school system. Alberta charter schools are not private and the province does not grant charters to religious schools. These schools have to follow the provincial curriculum and meet all standards, but are given considerable freedom in other areas. In all other provinces private religious schools receive some funding, but not as much as the public system.

Catholic Schools

In Ontario, the Catholic system continues to be fully publicly funded [akin to Public schools] - while other faiths are not. Since the Catholic schools system is entrenched in the constitution, the Supreme Court has ruled that this system is constitutional. However, the UNHRC has ruled that Ontario's system is discriminatory, suggesting that Ontario either fund no faith-based schools, or all of them. In 2002 the government of Mike Harris introduced a controversial program to partially fund all private schools, but this was criticized for undermining the public education system and the program was eliminated after the Liberals won the 2003 provincial election.

Schooling in Quebec Vs. Other Provinces

Quebecers must attend a French School up until the end of high school, unless one of their parents previously attended an English-language school somewhere in Canada (immigrants from other countries cannot use this exception). In other provinces, English Speakers are not allowed to attend French Schools, unless one of the parent has French language as mother tongue, but they can easily attend French Immersion Schools.

Age Vs. Grade in Canadian Schools
(Except the province of Quebec)

Which Grade my kids will be admitted to when we 'land'?
Contrary to whatever Grade/Class/Std our kids were studying overseas [or in our homeland] as we 'land' here our kids would be taken into a Grade as per his/her age. Here is which grade they'd attend/admitted to, as per their age group...

Early childhood education
- Junior Kindergarten (ages 4–5)
- Kindergarten (ages 5–6)

Elementary education
- Grade 1 (ages 6–7)
- Grade 2 (ages 7–8)
- Grade 3 (ages 8–9)
- Grade 4 (ages 9–10)
- Grade 5 (ages 10–11)
- Grade 6 (ages 11–12)
- Grade 7 (ages 12–13)
- Grade 8 (ages 13–14)

Secondary education
- Grade 9 (ages 14–15)
- Grade 10 (ages 15–16)
- Grade 11 (ages 16–17)
- Grade 12 (ages 17–18)
- Grade 12+ (ages 18+)

NOTE:
1. Students in the Prairie provinces are not required by statute to attend kindergarten.
2. Kindergarten is not often available in smaller towns.

Which school [location] my kids will join?
By regulation our children get to join the "neighborhood school" [unless we want them to go to a Pvt. School]. District School Boards demarcate school boundaries based on neighborhoods. And every neighborhood WILL HAVE certain no. of schools, both Elementary as well as Secondary [Yes, they are different School buildings/premises].

How will I know which school "belongs" to my neighborhood?
Yes, this could be tricky. Especially when you 'physically see' a school nearby, but on approaching u find that this one doesn't cater to your locality. Usually that school will guide u to the right school. However, u may also check the same by visiting the District School Board's website. Eg. if u r in Toronto - hit TDSB, similarly if u r in Mississauga/Brampton - hit PDSB. [U'd find those links below, in the end of this post]

How will my kids go to school from my residence?
If the school is within walking distance - we r to escort our kids to school everyday... but, not necessary - 'Coz, every Xing, street intersections will have "Traffic Marshals" [identifiable thru their security jackets] placed during the school hrs. This is Awesome here! - so, even if our kids walk alone - they r quite safe. Moreover, cycling to school is appreciated/advocated. And with the weather - this is no daunting task.

What if that school is 2 Kms away from my residence?
If the school is beyond walking distance [will be informed by the school] - the children get to take the "School Buss" - for FREE. Busses r operated by Pvt. Contractors, but specially for school transportation, colored Yellow, shall pick-up/drop our kids from vantage points [near our residence]... many times that could be next to the home as well. The Bus No. shall be informed to us by the school - we do not need to be perturbed on that aspect!

Rain or shine or Snow?
Not a problem! Kids here r used to sporting a 'rain cape' &/or carrying Umbrellas to school. Usually, they would also be wearing Rain Boots [call it Gum Boots - if u may]. And during snowing season - they'd sport appropriate winter dress & Snow Boots [incidentally all these garments would be available everywhere during these seasons - Walmart, Canadian Tire, Zellers, Sears et all shall suffice for our sourcing... & if in Toronto - u may hit the Honest Ed'sas well, for the more price-concious among us!]

Will my kids be admitted to school whenever we 'land'?
Typically the neighborhood school is duty bound to accept admittance of our children whenever we want to in Canada. Remember the school session commences from September to June... however, if we 'land' in October - yet the local school will take-in our kids. Ditto for any other months as well. Another eg. suppose we 'land' in April/May - School will be closing in June - still our kids WILL BE accepted in the school.

What documentation is required for School Admission?
1. Child Immunization Record > http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t61790.0.html
2. School Transfer Certificate
3. Birth Certificate
4. Residential Lease Contract [or Home Purchase Deed]

What dress my kids will wear to school everyday?
On a hindsight I guess many will again post this query... remember once again - Public Schools in Canada is w/out "Uniform" - our children will wear any appropriate dress [usual clothing] to school. An exception to this is the Catholic & Ethnic Schools - which require students to wear the prescribed uniform.

Which one is better - Public schools or Private Schools?
Another question many ask me - where should I get my children admitted to - Public Schools or the Private schools? Let me inform u with certainty that the curriculum, & standards of both r the same. Ditto the teachers & staff... they all come from the same basket, don't they? These schools do have a great deal of prestige and prominence [there r many "elite" ones as well]... but that is all in the head! The fact remains that Pvt. Schools r attended by only a small fraction of students. Besides, they r often beyond our affordability, especially for newcomers. Then again, we chose to come to Canada especially considering 'free education' factor, among some others, didn't we? IMHO, why to waste our funds, when many of the illuminati actually came out of the Public Schools? BTW, Public schools in Canada r pretty good!

How to locate/assess "good" Public schools?
Another myth [purely my opinion again] is "assessing" Canadian schools against each other. The factual position is that each one is typically the same - as described earlier... Nonetheless, if we need to yet perform this task, Fraser Institute "ranks" most schools in Canada. Check here:http://www.compareschoolrankings.org/Index.aspx

Do I locate my residence based on "good" schools?
Again a debatable point... I would say "No". As enumerated earlier, it doesn't matter which school my kids go, at least in the Elementary stage/s. Lot other factors would determine where I chose to locate my residence, eg. my employment, proximity to friends/relatives, my ethnicity/religion [not advocated though, seriously!], cost of renting/buying, neighborhood assessment etc. Read here for the Toronto Neighborhoods' details:
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t66734.0.html

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Quebec

- garderie (Pre-school); Age under 5
- maternelle (Kindergarten); Age 5-6

école primaire (literally Primary school, equivalent to Elementary School or Grade School)
- Grade 1; Ages 6-7
- Grade 2; Ages 7-8
- Grade 3; Ages 8-9
- Grade 4; Ages 9-10
- Grade 5; Ages 10-11
- Grade 6; Ages 11-12

école secondaire (literally Secondary school, or High School)
- Secondary I; Ages 12-13
- Secondary II; Ages 13-14
- Secondary III; Ages 14-15
- Secondary IV; Ages 15-16
- Secondary V; Ages 16-17

Note:
Secondaries I-V are equivalent to grades 7-11. High school students will refer to secondary 1-5 as year one through five. So if someone in Secondary three is asked "What grade/year are you in?" they will reply "Three" or "Sec 3". It is presumed that the person asking the question knows that they are not referring to "Grade 3" but rather "Secondary 3". This can however be confusing for those outside of Quebec who are asking the question.
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So, what about "pre-school"? -before KG?
Daycare - a Nightmare !

1. Daycare could be quite expensive here, in Canada. It'd be difficult to find one which charges lower than $800-1000/month.
2. KG is part of the Public Schooling (it's Free). Starts at 4 yrs. of age.
3. Typically, if we have kids below 4, either parent should remain at home* [works better vis-a-vis the daycare costs Vs. starter pays].
*my personal opinion - sure individual cases/requirements would differ.

City of Toronto : Daycare Brochure
http://www.toronto.ca/children/pdf/guide.pdf
Daycare - Costs & Worries; News
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/218181


CONCLUSION

Canadians believe that life is a marathon and not a 100-meters sprint. Children are encouraged at a young age to develop at their own natural pace. There is no streaming. Mentally-challenged children & gifted children are put in the same class as the normal kids. Under this environment, Canadian kids learn to develop compassion towards the less fortunate and realize that the world comprises different kinds of people. Hence they grow to be less arrogant and less prejudicial.

It is mandatory for students to do part-time jobs or perform volunteer duties at seniors' home and other charity organizations in order to graduate from high schools. The students get marks for doing charity or part-time jobs. It is not uncommon to see volunteers in the hospital reception areas, families picking litter on the streets, distributing food/clothing to the needy, volunteers in senior homes, even the mentally and physically challenged are taken care of by volunteers.

Canadians constitute less than 1% of the world's population but provides 10% of the world's peacekeeping forces in its selfless and unceremonious way. Volunteerism has become second nature to Canadians. 18 Nobel Prize winners, 405 Olympics medalists, plus hundreds of world-renowned entrepreneurs, inventors, artists, musicians, writers, actors, singers etc. stand testimony to a marvellous education system of Canada.

 

[Ali-N]

Guys,

Time for weekly update on NOC 4214. Also posted on 4214 whatsapp group.

Regards,
Ali

 

[anuradha7326]

WOW.......this is excellent information Ali.....+1 to you for that.

quote author=Ali-N link=topic=271540.msg4331012#msg4331012 date=1432407129]
Some useful information regarding schooling in Canada. Re-posting from another forum as is:

****************
For people interested in Schooling details in Canada :
Canadian Schooling system
"As an immigrating parent, understanding Canada's school system is of fundamental importance -- especially due to the gradation structure, age considerations & varieties available. If you're coming from the UK, it's very different and can be a confusing and often misunderstood.

OVERVIEW

Sans the Pvt Schools - Education in Canada is publicly funded and overseen by federal, provincial, and local governments. Which means, our children get to be educated for free. [I repeat]Schooling is provided without charge for all residents of Canada - they have a right to education.

Schools in Canada are generally divided into Elementary education, followed by Secondary or "High School". Within the provinces under the ministry of education, there are "District School Boards" administering the educational programs. These school boards would follow a common curriculum set up by the province the board resides in. Only Alberta allows public charter schools, which are independent of any district board. Instead, they each have their own board, which reports directly to the province.

Compulsory Education
Education is compulsory between the ages of 6 to 16 in every province in Canada, except Ontario and New Brunswick, where the compulsory age is 18. Most children begin school at age 4, with part time schooling called "Kindergarten". Elementary school generally runs between grades 1 to 8, and Secondary [or] “high school” between grades 9 and 12.

Note:
- About one out of ten [1:10] Canadians do not have a high school diploma – one in seven [1:7] has a university degree – the adult population that is without a high school diploma is a combination of both immigrant and Canadian-born. In many places, publicly-funded high school courses are offered to the adult population.
- Canada spends about 7% of its GDP on education. Since the adoption of section 23 of the Constitution Act, 1982, education in both English and French has been available in most places across Canada (if the population of children speaking the minority language justifies it), although French Second Language [FSL] education/French Immersion is available to anglophone students across Canada.

THE SCHOOL YEAR

The school year runs from September to June, five days a week, for usually six hours a day. Canada generally has 190 school days in the year, officially starting from September (after Labour Day) to the end of June (usually the last Friday of the month, except some cases in Quebec when it is just before June 24 – the provincial holiday).

THE CURRICULUM

Canada has its own unique schooling standards - it is run neither as the UK, nor on the US patterns. The standard is intrinsic to its own culture, traditions & development strategies.

The curriculum is designed to elicit development and quality of people's cognition through the guiding of accommodations of individuals to their natural environment and their changing social order. Some Canadian scholars view academics as a form of "soft power" - helping to educate and to create positive attitudes.

Furthermore, subjects that typically get assessed (i.e., language, arts, mathematics, and science) assume greater importance than non-assessed subjects (i.e., music, visual arts, and physical education) or facets of the curriculum (i.e., reading & writing versus speaking & listening). The students in the Canadian school system receive a variety of classes that are offered to them. The system is set up to meet the diverse needs of the individual student.

Advantages of Canadian schooling
- Canadian schools generally are more relaxed.
- They aim to nurture well rounded individuals.
- Kids carry a backpack - but usually don't have much books or note-pads.
- Instead it'd have an Agenda [School diary] & two [2] Tiffin boxes [a Snack box & a Lunch box] - they get three [3] breaks a day!
- Students of walking distance from the school get to go home for lunch.
- Students afar [but within the neighborhood] get the school Transportation* - for FREE.
- Many parents report that their children are happier and less stressed at Canadian schools than they were at their overseas schools.
*It's a regulation that our kids go to their neighborhood schools [only].

TYPES OF SCHOOLS

There are multiple types of schooling available for our children in Canada:
1. Public Schools – The public school system in Canada is free. Children are not required to wear uniforms. -Free school
2. Catholic Schools – The Catholic school system is also free. Students here are required to wear uniforms. -Free school
3. Private Schools – Private schools charge tuition fees, and can be expensive. Uniforms are required at most private schools. -Paid school
4. Ethnic Schools – Uniformed & Charged - they offer a specialized curriculum based on language, religion or ethnicity. -Paid school
5. Home schooling – Parents can choose to teach their children at home, but they are expected to meet the same standards of the public system.

Private Schools

Only about 8% of students are in private schools. A minority of these are "elite" private schools. It is not unusual for the wealthy and prominent in Canada to send their children to public schools [Note: Not Private Schools], especially in the lower grades. Private schools are also used to study outside the country. Eg. Canadian College Italy has an Ontario curriculum, but the students study in Italy.

Private schools have historically been less common on the Canadian Prairies and were often forbidden under municipal and provincial statutes enacted to provide equality of education to students regardless of family income. This is especially true in Alberta, where successive Social Credit (or populist conservative) governments denounced the concept of private education as the main cause of denial of opportunity to the children of the working poor. These rules lasted longer than Social Credit; it was only in 1989 that private K-12 schools were allowed to operate inside the boundaries of the City of Calgary.

Ethnic / Religious schools

Each province deals differently with private religious schools. Ontario has several private Jewish, Muslim, and Christian schools all funded through tuition fees. In other provinces many privately operated religious schools are funded [not all]. In British Columbia the government pays 50% of the cost of religious schools that meet rigorous provincial standards. The province has a number of Sikh, Hindu, Christian, and Muslim schools.

Alberta also has a network of charter schools, which are fully funded schools offering distinct approaches to education within the public school system. Alberta charter schools are not private and the province does not grant charters to religious schools. These schools have to follow the provincial curriculum and meet all standards, but are given considerable freedom in other areas. In all other provinces private religious schools receive some funding, but not as much as the public system.

Catholic Schools

In Ontario, the Catholic system continues to be fully publicly funded [akin to Public schools] - while other faiths are not. Since the Catholic schools system is entrenched in the constitution, the Supreme Court has ruled that this system is constitutional. However, the UNHRC has ruled that Ontario's system is discriminatory, suggesting that Ontario either fund no faith-based schools, or all of them. In 2002 the government of Mike Harris introduced a controversial program to partially fund all private schools, but this was criticized for undermining the public education system and the program was eliminated after the Liberals won the 2003 provincial election.

Schooling in Quebec Vs. Other Provinces

Quebecers must attend a French School up until the end of high school, unless one of their parents previously attended an English-language school somewhere in Canada (immigrants from other countries cannot use this exception). In other provinces, English Speakers are not allowed to attend French Schools, unless one of the parent has French language as mother tongue, but they can easily attend French Immersion Schools.

Age Vs. Grade in Canadian Schools
(Except the province of Quebec)

Which Grade my kids will be admitted to when we 'land'?
Contrary to whatever Grade/Class/Std our kids were studying overseas [or in our homeland] as we 'land' here our kids would be taken into a Grade as per his/her age. Here is which grade they'd attend/admitted to, as per their age group...

Early childhood education
- Junior Kindergarten (ages 4–5)
- Kindergarten (ages 5–6)

Elementary education
- Grade 1 (ages 6–7)
- Grade 2 (ages 7–8)
- Grade 3 (ages 8–9)
- Grade 4 (ages 9–10)
- Grade 5 (ages 10–11)
- Grade 6 (ages 11–12)
- Grade 7 (ages 12–13)
- Grade 8 (ages 13–14)

Secondary education
- Grade 9 (ages 14–15)
- Grade 10 (ages 15–16)
- Grade 11 (ages 16–17)
- Grade 12 (ages 17–18)
- Grade 12+ (ages 18+)

NOTE:
1. Students in the Prairie provinces are not required by statute to attend kindergarten.
2. Kindergarten is not often available in smaller towns.

Which school [location] my kids will join?
By regulation our children get to join the "neighborhood school" [unless we want them to go to a Pvt. School]. District School Boards demarcate school boundaries based on neighborhoods. And every neighborhood WILL HAVE certain no. of schools, both Elementary as well as Secondary [Yes, they are different School buildings/premises].

How will I know which school "belongs" to my neighborhood?
Yes, this could be tricky. Especially when you 'physically see' a school nearby, but on approaching u find that this one doesn't cater to your locality. Usually that school will guide u to the right school. However, u may also check the same by visiting the District School Board's website. Eg. if u r in Toronto - hit TDSB, similarly if u r in Mississauga/Brampton - hit PDSB. [U'd find those links below, in the end of this post]

How will my kids go to school from my residence?
If the school is within walking distance - we r to escort our kids to school everyday... but, not necessary - 'Coz, every Xing, street intersections will have "Traffic Marshals" [identifiable thru their security jackets] placed during the school hrs. This is Awesome here! - so, even if our kids walk alone - they r quite safe. Moreover, cycling to school is appreciated/advocated. And with the weather - this is no daunting task.

What if that school is 2 Kms away from my residence?
If the school is beyond walking distance [will be informed by the school] - the children get to take the "School Buss" - for FREE. Busses r operated by Pvt. Contractors, but specially for school transportation, colored Yellow, shall pick-up/drop our kids from vantage points [near our residence]... many times that could be next to the home as well. The Bus No. shall be informed to us by the school - we do not need to be perturbed on that aspect!

Rain or shine or Snow?
Not a problem! Kids here r used to sporting a 'rain cape' &/or carrying Umbrellas to school. Usually, they would also be wearing Rain Boots [call it Gum Boots - if u may]. And during snowing season - they'd sport appropriate winter dress & Snow Boots [incidentally all these garments would be available everywhere during these seasons - Walmart, Canadian Tire, Zellers, Sears et all shall suffice for our sourcing... & if in Toronto - u may hit the Honest Ed'sas well, for the more price-concious among us!]

Will my kids be admitted to school whenever we 'land'?
Typically the neighborhood school is duty bound to accept admittance of our children whenever we want to in Canada. Remember the school session commences from September to June... however, if we 'land' in October - yet the local school will take-in our kids. Ditto for any other months as well. Another eg. suppose we 'land' in April/May - School will be closing in June - still our kids WILL BE accepted in the school.

What documentation is required for School Admission?
1. Child Immunization Record > http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t61790.0.html
2. School Transfer Certificate
3. Birth Certificate
4. Residential Lease Contract [or Home Purchase Deed]

What dress my kids will wear to school everyday?
On a hindsight I guess many will again post this query... remember once again - Public Schools in Canada is w/out "Uniform" - our children will wear any appropriate dress [usual clothing] to school. An exception to this is the Catholic & Ethnic Schools - which require students to wear the prescribed uniform.

Which one is better - Public schools or Private Schools?
Another question many ask me - where should I get my children admitted to - Public Schools or the Private schools? Let me inform u with certainty that the curriculum, & standards of both r the same. Ditto the teachers & staff... they all come from the same basket, don't they? These schools do have a great deal of prestige and prominence [there r many "elite" ones as well]... but that is all in the head! The fact remains that Pvt. Schools r attended by only a small fraction of students. Besides, they r often beyond our affordability, especially for newcomers. Then again, we chose to come to Canada especially considering 'free education' factor, among some others, didn't we? IMHO, why to waste our funds, when many of the illuminati actually came out of the Public Schools? BTW, Public schools in Canada r pretty good!

How to locate/assess "good" Public schools?
Another myth [purely my opinion again] is "assessing" Canadian schools against each other. The factual position is that each one is typically the same - as described earlier... Nonetheless, if we need to yet perform this task, Fraser Institute "ranks" most schools in Canada. Check here:http://www.compareschoolrankings.org/Index.aspx

Do I locate my residence based on "good" schools?
Again a debatable point... I would say "No". As enumerated earlier, it doesn't matter which school my kids go, at least in the Elementary stage/s. Lot other factors would determine where I chose to locate my residence, eg. my employment, proximity to friends/relatives, my ethnicity/religion [not advocated though, seriously!], cost of renting/buying, neighborhood assessment etc. Read here for the Toronto Neighborhoods' details:
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t66734.0.html

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quebec

- garderie (Pre-school); Age under 5
- maternelle (Kindergarten); Age 5-6

école primaire (literally Primary school, equivalent to Elementary School or Grade School)
- Grade 1; Ages 6-7
- Grade 2; Ages 7-8
- Grade 3; Ages 8-9
- Grade 4; Ages 9-10
- Grade 5; Ages 10-11
- Grade 6; Ages 11-12

école secondaire (literally Secondary school, or High School)
- Secondary I; Ages 12-13
- Secondary II; Ages 13-14
- Secondary III; Ages 14-15
- Secondary IV; Ages 15-16
- Secondary V; Ages 16-17

Note:
Secondaries I-V are equivalent to grades 7-11. High school students will refer to secondary 1-5 as year one through five. So if someone in Secondary three is asked "What grade/year are you in?" they will reply "Three" or "Sec 3". It is presumed that the person asking the question knows that they are not referring to "Grade 3" but rather "Secondary 3". This can however be confusing for those outside of Quebec who are asking the question.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So, what about "pre-school"? -before KG?
Daycare - a Nightmare !

1. Daycare could be quite expensive here, in Canada. It'd be difficult to find one which charges lower than $800-1000/month.
2. KG is part of the Public Schooling (it's Free). Starts at 4 yrs. of age.
3. Typically, if we have kids below 4, either parent should remain at home* [works better vis-a-vis the daycare costs Vs. starter pays].
*my personal opinion - sure individual cases/requirements would differ.

City of Toronto : Daycare Brochure
http://www.toronto.ca/children/pdf/guide.pdf
Daycare - Costs & Worries; News
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/218181


CONCLUSION

Canadians believe that life is a marathon and not a 100-meters sprint. Children are encouraged at a young age to develop at their own natural pace. There is no streaming. Mentally-challenged children & gifted children are put in the same class as the normal kids. Under this environment, Canadian kids learn to develop compassion towards the less fortunate and realize that the world comprises different kinds of people. Hence they grow to be less arrogant and less prejudicial.

It is mandatory for students to do part-time jobs or perform volunteer duties at seniors' home and other charity organizations in order to graduate from high schools. The students get marks for doing charity or part-time jobs. It is not uncommon to see volunteers in the hospital reception areas, families picking litter on the streets, distributing food/clothing to the needy, volunteers in senior homes, even the mentally and physically challenged are taken care of by volunteers.

Canadians constitute less than 1% of the world's population but provides 10% of the world's peacekeeping forces in its selfless and unceremonious way. Volunteerism has become second nature to Canadians. 18 Nobel Prize winners, 405 Olympics medalists, plus hundreds of world-renowned entrepreneurs, inventors, artists, musicians, writers, actors, singers etc. stand testimony to a marvellous education system of Canada.
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[katthie batthie]

Thank you Ali for the weekly update

 

[sheena1983]

Today I got an email from VO, stating that I am not eligible for PR as my employment (4214) and my education doesn’t match. Right now am working with call center, but before joining call center I was working as nursery teacher in India.
Also, they mentioned that there is no evidence of form 16 or income tax return & salary transferred to bank for 4214.
Lots of small nursery schools in India Pay by cash or Cheque, and that time I never bothered about income tax because salary was very low & that was also the reason I moved to call center for higher package.
Though they have written in their email that they’re giving me last opportunity of 30 days to explain & provide supporting documents.

Can anyone in this forum help me……feeling very low, depressed, demotivated……feeling like crying…. :-\

 

[joyscent]

Don't let fear and depression beat you Sheena1983.As the person who helped me when I felt the same last week, "Don't panic for every problem has a solution." I hope your former employer could provide you with a copy of your old employment contract,old pay slip...Certificates of recognition from work-related seminars,or trainings might also help. Try including some old photos of you with your co-workers and students during school related activities like graduation,class photos, staff group photos with your school logo,etc.-these might help convince the VO officers.

CHEER UP!!! You can get through this!

 

[joyscent]

By the way, I am glad to share that I have finally received my AOR from SGVO today.
Timeline:
App Received: 29 Dec
PER:28 March
AOR:25 May
VO:SGVO

I hope it would not really take me 40 months to get to our dream destination.SGVO, I hope you speed up.

 

[Ali-N]

By the way, I am glad to share that I have finally received my AOR from SGVO today.
Timeline:
App Received: 29 Dec
PER:28 March
AOR:25 May
VO:SGVO

I hope it would not really take me 40 months to get to our dream destination.SGVO, I hope you speed up.

Congrats Joy.....

 

[sheena1983]

Thank you so much Joyscent....
I am feeling little confident now.

I am gonna write them up, i got offer letter & sal slips with me, but they were in bad condition & the checklist said reference letter would suffice,
i will send them that offer letter n sal slips....i don't have photo i am sure school would have few, i will get in touch with school,

things that i got:-
Offer letter
Salary Slips
Photo (from schools)
Reference letter (which i already submitted)

Things i don't have
only PF & Associated bank account.
oh yes - related education - but if education was so important then they should clearly mention this on their website & they shoudnt have accepted my profile - i got PER - AOR - DD Charged....they shoould have rejected at first stage stating related education is issue...hate this kinda double standard....but still canada is my dream destination...i will try to convince them....

 

[katthie batthie]

Thank you so much Joyscent....
I am feeling little confident now.

I am gonna write them up, i got offer letter & sal slips with me, but they were in bad condition & the checklist said reference letter would suffice,
i will send them that offer letter n sal slips....i don't have photo i am sure school would have few, i will get in touch with school,

things that i got:-
Offer letter
Salary Slips
Photo (from schools)
Reference letter (which i already submitted)

Things i don't have
only PF & Associated bank account.
oh yes - related education - but if education was so important then they should clearly mention this on their website & they shoudnt have accepted my profile - i got PER - AOR - DD Charged....they shoould have rejected at first stage stating related education is issue...hate this kinda double standard....but still canada is my dream destination...i will try to convince them....

Do your best to prepare all the supporting documents... Hope sgvo will listen to you... Good luck! Be positive

 

[katthie batthie]

Sorry ... Ndvo/warsaw

 

[Ali-N]

Today I got an email from VO, stating that I am not eligible for PR as my employment (4214) and my education doesn't match. Right now am working with call center, but before joining call center I was working as nursery teacher in India.
Also, they mentioned that there is no evidence of form 16 or income tax return & salary transferred to bank for 4214.
Lots of small nursery schools in India Pay by cash or Cheque, and that time I never bothered about income tax because salary was very low & that was also the reason I moved to call center for higher package.
Though they have written in their email that they're giving me last opportunity of 30 days to explain & provide supporting documents.

Can anyone in this forum help me......feeling very low, depressed, demotivated......feeling like crying.... :-\

Hi Sheena,

First and the foremost thing is not to panic! VO needs evidence, thats it!

Below are a few things you should look into:

a) Documents evidencing your association with the school:
1. Appointment Letter/Contract
2. Confirmation Letter (if any)
3. Payslips (if paid in Cash, copies of cash vouchers)
4. Any certificate / increment letter / recognition letter / promotion letter, etc from the school
5. Any training certificate (in-house or otherwise)
6. Photographs of yourself with with students, teachers, doing activity, school event, etc having a schools backdrop or classroom
7. Your resignation letter addressed to school (copy bearing receipt stamp)
8. Your final experience letter issued when you were leaving the school
9. Any other information which shows your association with the school
10. You may consider sending reference letters from your ex-coworkers as well, if need be

b) Documents evidencing that your school exists:
1. Photos of your school, specially front elevation (a closeup and a distant photo showing physical presence)
2. Any newsletter or literature like admission form, circular to parents, etc. (printed newsletter hardcopy is very important if you get couple of them)
3. School's registration certificate (or at least school's registration number). The School must be registered with any regulating body.
4. Presence of your school on internet, like website, or school's online ad, or school's name enlisted in the list of schools in india, or in the particular state/city
5. Facebook page of the school, if any
6. List of faculty members / directors if any, etc.
7. LinkedIn profile of the principal, co-teachers evidencing the school name on their profile

c) Your income tax and bank statement:
1. detailed letter informing that your annual income was below the minimum income to pay income tax. Moreover, the salary was disbursed in cash so no bank account showing monthly salary deposits.
2. Tax regime details / tax slabs for previous years (you will get the information from internet, its public information)
3. If possible, a letter from the school saying that the salary was paid in cash and no payslips are being issued by the school along with copies of debit vouchers duly stamped by the school evidencing salary disbursement through cash vouchers. If they also mention that no tax was deducted at source, this will help too.

The above lists (a,b,c) are not exhaustive, you may add anything that deem appropriate to your case.

d) Education mismatching profession:
This is a very sensitive issue, if you check education requirement on hrsdc site for 4214, it says:

Early childhood educators
Completion of a two- to four-year college program in early childhood education
or
A bachelor's degree in child development is required.
Licensing by a provincial or territorial association for early childhood educators (ECE) is usually required.

Early childhood educator assistants
Completion of secondary school is required.
Experience in child care is required.
Completion of an early childhood education assistant certificate program or post-secondary courses in early childhood education may be required.
Licensing by a provincial or territorial association for early childhood educators (ECE) may be required.

Now the million dollar question is, have you applied as an 'Educator' or an 'Assistant'? If applied as an Educator, you should have the relevant educational background. License from Province/ territory is not mandatory in India so no worries but a two- to four-year college program in early childhood education or a bachelor's degree in child development is mandatory. If applied as an 'Assistant' no specialized educational background is required.

One of our colleagues 'urvig' faced more or less the same issue (barring educational background). They were also given 30 days deadline. They however are now done with MR and waiting for PPR. You may send them a PM for assistance. The person is also a member of 4214 whatsapp group. I will request them to contact you as well.

Last but not the least, can you please share the exact text of the mail you received. This will help me to understand the exact needs / requirements better.

Keep the faith and act quickly. You will sail through.

All the best,

Ali

 

[sheena1983]

Thank you so much Ali. I PMed u also PMed urvig - i hope urvig reply back early.....do u have contact information for urvig??

 

[Ali-N]

Thank you so much Ali. I PMed u also PMed urvig - i hope urvig reply back early.....do u have contact information for urvig??

Replied to your PM.

Rgds, Ali