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[KojiGold]

I agree with you there but is there any other English-speaking country with a shorter timeline to PR than Canada? I've checked Australia and NZ but the process seems even more hectic.

Among English Speaking world. absolutely Canada has the shortest route toward PR (If you ignore US Lottery or US marriage green card, which are definitely not compared to express entry as they are not following a systematic pattern). But Canadian education comes with massive expenses.

For a rich kid who can afford Canadian education, or someone with an enough strong academic background to get funding from Canadian universities the study route should be number 1 priority without any doubt. If anyone on this forum falls into either of these categories, I highly recommend you to forget about waiting for FSW draws immediately.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

For a rich kid who can afford Canadian education, or someone with an enough strong academic background to get funding from Canadian universities the study route should be number 1 priority without any doubt

For a rich kid (assuming a young kid - early 20s) yeah sure. Let me tell you what "strong academic background" gets you: 4.5 years of wait (if it's a master's - PhD takes 7+ years) on a $1800 / month stipend where your shitty ass single room in a house shared with 5+ other tenants costs you $900+ / month. (You gotta pay your tuition from that 1800 too...)

Study route is not what people think it is.

 

[SuCan17]

If you can afford it, then do not waste a moment and go for it. If you can secure funding, even better. But for people like me who can not afford the insane tuition fees nor can secure a fund, the only available option is the FSW route.

After all, for those who can make it to Canada on study route (specially those in their early-mid 20s), there could be this advantage of having some time to get familiarized with the country, its environment, rules and making contacts to build a proper life.

Did you see if they have scholarship options available?

 

[SuCan17]

Well let's hope that FSW resumes soon
It's just the lack of communication that's creating the uncertainty.

 

[KojiGold]

For a rich kid (assuming a young kid - early 20s) yeah sure. Let me tell you what "strong academic background" gets you: 4.5 years of wait (if it's a master's - PhD takes 7+ years) on a $1800 / month stipend where your shitty ass single room in a house shared with 5+ other tenants costs you $900+ / month. (You gotta pay your tuition from that 1800 too...)

Study route is not what people think it is.

No doubt. To me, PhD students are actually kind of luxury slaves. Imagine earning such a low salary for which you are supposed to not only teach (your "job"), but also study and keep your GPA on a certain level or else you gonna lose your funding.

 

[KojiGold]

Did you see if they have scholarship options available?

I have almost gone through each and every Canadian university. Scholarships are mostly for Master's degrees which are highly, highly competitive. PhD funding is a better option, as you deal directly with professors. If you can secure an academic IELTS of 7.5 or plus, a GMAT of 600+ or GRE of 310-320 and plus, you are in very good shape for Ph.D. funds. I am from an HR background, I need a GMAT. I had some mock tests and out of 10 questions, I could barely answer 1 correct, and even that was the question I was thinking I am giving a wrong answer to

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

No doubt. To me, PhD students are actually kind of luxury slaves. Imagine earning such a low salary for which you are supposed to not only teach (your "job"), but also study and keep your GPA on a certain level or else you gonna lose your funding.

GPA stuff depends on your funding. Most of the time your PhD supervisor gives you your funding (stipend) and GPA is irrelevant as long as you pass; you fail a class and you're out (usually). Also your "job" is not to teach but to research since your stipend is for a research assistant. So you're essentially getting paid to publish papers. You can of course sign up for a teaching assistant role in your faculty to make some extra money - a lot of students do that.

But then again; MSc or PhD, you're making some $1800 a month, paying say $800 / month for rent (pretty shitty place as I told you) and gotta save up about $600 / month for tuition, $75 / month for govt insurance. You start the month with $325 in your pocket; good luck lol.

 

[Rish92]

Ah gotcha; so you're just doing it for you. I respect that mate; that should be one's reason to go back to school, not some stupid PR.



Yeah might as well contemplate robbing a bank if one is too desperate. I never understood how one can be "desperate" to immigrate; in which case one is called a "refugee", not an immigrant.

Well…. Before I left for Australia, I was trapped in a loop of nothingness of lower middle class Indian life. Going to Australia for studies changed my life and all the hardships that came with it were still worth it.

 

[sidou]

I have almost gone through each and every Canadian university. Scholarships are mostly for Master's degrees which are highly, highly competitive. PhD funding is a better option, as you deal directly with professors. If you can secure an academic IELTS of 7.5 or plus, a GMAT of 600+ or GRE of 310-320 and plus, you are in very good shape for Ph.D. funds. I am from an HR background, I need a GMAT. I had some mock tests and out of 10 questions, I could barely answer 1 correct, and even that was the question I was thinking I am giving a wrong answer to

damn man !!

 

[KojiGold]

damn man !!

Sorry bro didn't want to scare anyone off Just wanted to make it easy for all those looking for scholarships/funding.
About IELTS I think all of us who are in the express entry pool can make it. The only difference between A and G modules is Writing Task 1 and Reading. But the GMAT thing is a big issue. However, I think many Indians have solid math backgrounds. Perhaps I am kind of dumb on math
Also, you need a decent GPA, which I did not mention as I suppose anyone looking for funding/scholarship knows that is in fact a "necessity".

I used to apply for some scholarships and they were like choosing 2 people out of 100-200 applications. If you are really intending to go for PhD, Europe has many options but with such high competition (80-200 applicants for each position). In Europe, your proposal and statement of purpose are the main criteries. There is no GMAT/GRE requirement. Having had published research papers help too. And over there, it is a real job which pays 2500-nearly 4000 Euros a month for medical students. But then you can guess the competition. Also, your PhD duration counts for your PR in some European countries such as Sweden.

Europe comes with the language barrier. But again, one can not really find an ideal option. We do not have any "perfect" in practice. Perhaps FSW is the nearest immigration option to what we can call perfect. It is just about studying the pros and cons of each option, and in the end choose the one that matches your situation the best.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

Sorry bro didn't want to scare anyone off Just wanted to make it easy for all those looking for scholarships/funding.
About IELTS I think all of us who are in the express entry pool can make it. The only difference between A and G modules is Writing Task 1 and Reading. But the GMAT thing is a big issue. However, I think many Indians have solid math backgrounds. Perhaps I am kind of dumb on math
Also, you need a decent GPA, which I did not mention as I suppose anyone looking for funding/scholarship knows that is in fact a "necessity".

I used to apply for some scholarships and they were like choosing 2 people out of 100-200 applications. If you are really intending to go for PhD, Europe has many options but with such high competition (80-200 applicants for each position). In Europe, your proposal and statement of purpose are the main criteries. There is no GMAT/GRE requirement. Having had published research papers help too. And over there, it is a real job which pays 2500-nearly 4000 Euros a month for medical students. But then you can guess the competition. Also, your PhD duration counts for your PR in some European countries such as Sweden.

Europe comes with the language barrier. But again, one can not really find an ideal option. We do not have any "perfect" in practice. Perhaps FSW is the nearest immigration option to what we can call perfect. It is just about studying the pros and cons of each option, and in the end choose the one that matches your situation the best.

Why apply for scholarships if you wanna go to EU for PhD? Look at Germany; schools are almost free and you only need to cover your life expenses. You can do that with 1/3rd or half of what you'd need to save for CEC. By the way EU PhDs take 3 years and not 4, which is great.

 

[SuCan17]

Why apply for scholarships if you wanna go to EU for PhD? Look at Germany; schools are almost free and you only need to cover your life expenses. You can do that with 1/3rd or half of what you'd need to save for CEC. By the way EU PhDs take 3 years and not 4, which is great.

True. I have someone I know who went to Germany last month for his Masters, which is completely in English. However, won't the language barrier kick-in when you start working? I work for a French company, and when I visited their office in France only a handful of them were able to speak fluently in English. Not sure if that is the case in Germany, but if it was then it's going to be tough to get-along unless you really ramp-up on your German.

 

[KojiGold]

Yeah the free PhDs are a great option, You are also given 20 hours a week right to work to help with living expenses. The only thing I know is that, for Norway (where even Master's is free and in English language), the PhD addmission rate is really low. Like our 130-something applications, less than 10 were accepted. Not sure if it is the same for Germany or not.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

True. I have someone I know who went to Germany last month for his Masters, which is completely in English. However, won't the language barrier kick-in when you start working? I work for a French company, and when I visited their office in France only a handful of them were able to speak fluently in English. Not sure if that is the case in Germany, but if it was then it's going to be tough to get-along unless you really ramp-up on your German.

When working? No. Germans speak some excellent English. I work with German colleagues daily and there are no issues. Also, I have many friends working in skilled jobs in Germany without speaking a single word of German.

But;

The language barrier is real in social life outside of work; nobody can argue that. So when one goes to Germany, their career doesn't take a hit but their social life might.

Yeah the free PhDs are a great option, You are also given 20 hours a week right to work to help with living expenses. The only thing I know is that, for Norway (where even Master's is free and in English language), the PhD addmission rate is really low. Like our 130-something applications, less than 10 were accepted. Not sure if it is the same for Germany or not.

The PhD stipend in Germany is pretty damn good too. No need for scholarships. Take the stipend, do some TA on the side if you really want to but I'd just not work extra and support myself with my own funds since it's manageable there. And if your PhD is one of the industry type projects then a company is paying you and that's some sweet living especially for a grad student. Can't even compare to Canada.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

Is it okay to apply for Alberta pnp when my FSW-O is in process?
I am noc 2141 .The whole process is not clear, they have a list of NOC from which they don't take candidates but mine is not in that.
My question is is there any province that I can apply without a job offer and noc restrictions?(my focus is in Alberta though)
I don't have any connections with canada.

For Alberta, not that they don't invite people with NOCs from those lists, but they say the chances of getting a NOI/nomination diminishes. Quite a many people on the forum received a NOI despite their NOCs being on the high-wage low-wage lists. AINP invited many complete outlanders (no job offer, no connections to AB/Canada, no Canadian education, nothing) in Aug, Sept and Oct but your NOC had to be among the selected NOCs of that particular AINP draw.