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[GandiBaat]

And I know that it costs a lot each time to move to another country, so thats why I am carefully contemplating each options. I dont mind having a contract job so long as I get one, but sadly it is very hard to even get an interview. Most job openings are located in Sydney and Melbourne but my visa conditions only allow me to stay and work in regional area (everywhere except sydney, melborune and brisbane). Also the immigration invitation quota has been cut back this year and the competition for immigration visa is high.

Checkout Perth. Its a decent city, cheaper than Brisbane and certainly cheaper than Sydney and Melbourne. It was a mining boom town where real estate bubble crashed back in 2000s.

 

[peter38wan]

It does or atleast it used to be the case in 2010s. Pandemic might have changed that dynamics.

I was rejected by an Australian company called "Kwickie" because I was not in Australia and my wife's visa situation was not sorted out. They felt it as a risk. Though I dodged a bullet there. The company was a major fraud and closed soon. It was among the bigger fraud in Australia back then.

Sometimes you gotta trust your gut feeling. By the way, any tips for identifying frauds / scams when it comes to finding jobs in Australia and Canada? Sometimes when I go on Indeed / Seek its hard to tell whether the job advertisement is real or the company really exists.

 

[GandiBaat]

Sometimes you gotta trust your gut feeling. By the way, any tips for identifying frauds / scams when it comes to finding jobs in Australia and Canada? Sometimes when I go on Indeed / Seek its hard to tell whether the job advertisement is real or the company really exists.

The usual, if it seems too good to be true, it usually is.

In case of Kwickie, it was a different case : They were doing security fraud by selling their risky shares to mom and pop non sophisticated investors or old people. It was not a job fraud but it was a stock fraud. https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/kwickie-blocked-by-asic-from-offering-shares-to-retail-investors-20170707-gx6kcy.html

They were closed.

 

[peter38wan]

Gandi is a special case. Also, IT people with decent skills can go anywhere. So his case does not apply to that of an average Joe/Jill. Tony could not get a PR, no offense to him lol.

Things I remember. Drugs, homelessness are much worse in Canada. I searched, I could not find anything like what you see in Vancouver etc in Aus. Salaries are 10k lower in Canada per year after conversion. Better weather and life expectancy is longer in Aus. Cost of living used to be lower in Canada, no longer. Their PR is harder to get in Aus, I would say it's more secure, easier to kick out temporary residents. I kind of worry that when shit hits the fan, we will have huge crime rate in Canada, too many people are let in without much security checks.

Update. Looked at the channel and comments. People agree Aus is better, but very hard to immigrate permanently. My impression.

Well I guess the weather is better. it is not too difficult to get pr in Australia if you are working in certain occupations, but with so many competitions from international students and temporary workers, the requirements are increasing like maxing out English scores / having 5 plus experience etc

 

[peter38wan]

I never moved to Australia for long time, just visited there. I did choose Canada over Australia because opportunities for me were limited there and my friend could not find a career opportunity there.

but the Australian PR also has residency requirement for each 5 years if i am not mistaken.

 

[peter38wan]

The usual, if it seems too good to be true, it usually is.

In case of Kwickie, it was a different case : They were doing security fraud by selling their risky shares to mom and pop non sophisticated investors or old people. It was not a job fraud but it was a stock fraud. https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/kwickie-blocked-by-asic-from-offering-shares-to-retail-investors-20170707-gx6kcy.html

They were closed.

Should I be looking for low-paid jobs instead? at least they are as real as reality.

 

[GandiBaat]

but the Australian PR also has residency requirement for each 5 years if i am not mistaken.

Australian PR is a permanent visa with 5 years of travel validity. If you do not come and start living in Australia in those 5 years, the travel facility expires. If you were in Australia, you can stay there forever but you can not re-enter australian on that visa after 5 years. The way for that is to get a Resident Return Visa. But that has its own conditions and requires you to be established in australia.

So technically speaking, I still have Australian PR rights but not the right to enter australia as a PR.

 

[GandiBaat]

Should I be looking for low-paid jobs instead? at least they are as real as reality.

Thats a hard choice. I do not know that path because I never travelled it. What motivates you to do it? Its a significant risk. Whats your current situation?

 

[Lord_Tony]

I don't think Aus people are trying to move to Canada, which is becoming a sh*t hole. Aus is better in every way except for the proximity to the US.

Both countries have pros and cons, the cost of living, and lower job opportunities are the same.

Australia
- has a very low qty of lambda (as they locked the taxi drivers' lambdas from India between 2005 to 2012). The WP and others are locked tight unlike here
- government services are superior.
- The weather is load better, with nice beaches, barring the spiders and Snakes, and crocs in Darwin.
- The mining folks make a lot more money than elsewhere in the world.
- It is nearer to most Southeast Asian countries, Perth is in the same timezone as Singapore, etc...
- Better integration into the Aussie culture. And even further I have seen more interracial couples in Melbourne and Sydney. Whereas in north-America for generations many cultures marry within their language and religion. I see the same class segregation that existed in the Philippines here in GTA, for the post in this thread I feel that seems to be worse among Indians.

- I see in the video that the oil and gas guy in the video guy says Canada is better for his jobs, and
- similarly, for IT guys trying to move to the USA - Canada is better.
- A lot easier to get in, be a lambda in times or McD, continue living as one had in their own country etc..

 

[peter38wan]

Thats a hard choice. I do not know that path because I never travelled it. What motivates you to do it? Its a significant risk. Whats your current situation?

sorry I was just joking. I mean I spent so much effort to get my Australian visa but I do not want to sacrifice my career for the sake of PR by getting any jobs I can land on. Canada would be somewhat easier for me because I am already PR and dont have to worry about my visa situation, but getting a job in canada is just as hard. So now I am at a crossroad.

 

[Lord_Tony]

Well I guess the weather is better. it is not too difficult to get pr in Australia if you are working in certain occupations, but with so many competitions from international students and temporary workers, the requirements are increasing like maxing out English scores / having 5 plus experience etc

This is exactly what happened to me, To earn more I switched back to IT and lost the opportunity in 2017 to convert my student visa into a PR, then I was on work-permits forever. They have quotas for work like USA has for country of birth.

 

[Lord_Tony]

Should I be looking for low-paid jobs instead? at least they are as real as reality.

Don't do that it is difficult, I faced the same problem after my MBA, work in 40-50k jobs in the stream I get PR or get back to IT and earn enough to support the wife and Teenage kids I choose the latter. Don't be an immigration slave it is not worth it.

 

[Lord_Tony]

Gandi is a special case. Also, IT people with decent skills can go anywhere. So his case does not apply to that of an average Joe/Jill. Tony could not get a PR, no offense to him lol.

Things I remember. Drugs, homelessness are much worse in Canada. I searched, I could not find anything like what you see in Vancouver etc in Aus. Salaries are 10k lower in Canada per year after conversion. Better weather and life expectancy is longer in Aus. Cost of living used to be lower in Canada, no longer. Their PR is harder to get in Aus, I would say it's more secure, easier to kick out temporary residents. I kind of worry that when shit hits the fan, we will have huge crime rate in Canada, too many people are let in without much security checks.

Update. Looked at the channel and comments. People agree Aus is better, but very hard to immigrate permanently. My impression.

Don't get tricked by Aussie pays, They include 11% Super which is employer contribution, after that even in your gross another 11% employee mandatory contribution. Then net take home is much lower.

 

[peter38wan]

This is exactly what happened to me, To earn more I switched back to IT and lost the opportunity in 2017 to convert my student visa into a PR, then I was on work-permits forever. They have quotas for work like USA has for country of birth.

yeah thats what they are referring to ”permanently temporary”. A friend of mine told me that he knows someone who is on a temporary visa in Australia for nearly 10 years. I guess it was not too difficult to transfer to PR from 457 (work visa) back then?

 

[peter38wan]

Don't do that it is difficult, I faced the same problem after my MBA, work in 40-50k jobs in the stream I get PR or get back to IT and earn enough to support the wife and Teenage kids I choose the latter. Don't be an immigration slave it is not worth it.

Wow you sure did have a lot of experience in Australia. How many years did you spend there?