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[abhiram.kumar]

My personal opinion on this whole thing is
- Yes a lot of youngsters get fooled by these advertisements and sweet talk of immigration consultants and business men/women who sell entering into these diploma mills as a pathway to immigrating to Canada.
- Degree in a great college, competing with your peers and learning for great profs is one way of getting the right skills and experience to immigrate.
- Even a student who got fooled and joined incorrectly in those diploma mills, after realizing their fault can attain redemption by researching well. They can still manage to get the right skills by learning from others, reading quality book, doing e-learning, asking for internships, find part time jobs in relevant areas etc..
My understanding is Lambdas chose to being lambdas, instead of getting real skills or knowledge, choose to work in Timmies, Walmart's and McDs. And these spurious diploma mills cover for those lambdas by giving false attendance/scores to keep the Lambdas PGWP open and retain these losers ability to renew the PGWPs. Whereas had it been a legitimate top college, these lambdas would have been thrown out as defaulters of studies either for poor attendance or scores out which would have led to PGWP cancellation.

This is a huge myth. Most of these kids are not fooled. They know exactly what’s happening in Canada. They just want to get into Canada by whatever means possible. They know that they won’t qualify for PR so they use diploma mills to enter Canada. I’m sure most of them don’t give a crap about getting a good education either. I have never seen this form of desperation from any other nationality apart from Indians. Canadian diploma mills have latched onto that fact. We are a special breed. I left India years ago so I’m not aware of the economic situation in India but I’m amazed at the fact that despite the news claiming that India has grown significantly, the youth of India are looking to get out by any means necessary. That’s what Modi should be focusing on. Finding out the cause of this desperation.

 

[Psyoptica]

This is a huge myth. Most of these kids are not fooled. They know exactly what’s happening in Canada. They just want to get into Canada by whatever means possible. They know that they won’t qualify for PR so they use diploma mills to enter Canada. I’m sure most of them don’t give a crap about getting a good education either. I have never seen this form of desperation from any other nationality apart from Indians. Canadian diploma mills have latched onto that fact. We are a special breed. I left India years ago so I’m not aware of the economic situation in India but I’m amazed at the fact that despite the news claiming that India has grown significantly, the youth of India are looking to get out by any means necessary. That’s what Modi should be focusing on. Finding out the cause of this desperation.

It's the heard mentality I guess. A lot of people from poor nations dream of moving to first world countries like Canada but nobody goes to the length that Indians do to make that dream come true. I was shocked to learn about the ways in which Indians immigrate, legally and illegally.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

This is a huge myth. Most of these kids are not fooled. They know exactly what’s happening in Canada. They just want to get into Canada by whatever means possible. They know that they won’t qualify for PR so they use diploma mills to enter Canada. I’m sure most of them don’t give a crap about getting a good education either. I have never seen this form of desperation from any other nationality apart from Indians. Canadian diploma mills have latched onto that fact. We are a special breed. I left India years ago so I’m not aware of the economic situation in India but I’m amazed at the fact that despite the news claiming that India has grown significantly, the youth of India are looking to get out by any means necessary. That’s what Modi should be focusing on. Finding out the cause of this desperation.

Immigration is a hook based thing. If there's a successful/settled diaspora - they'll create a hook for others from their country/region to come in. Has happened with Singapore(SEA immigration), Middle-East(Muslim diaspora), African migration in EU, etc - for Canada and Punjabi immigration - it was the settling diaspora in 1980-90s that did everything. Don't confuse this hook with something entirely new, it has existed around the world.

Modi won't care about these bad students as they are not even going to contribute to taxes(they are ESIC folks at best). Our good ones are doing way too well and it really has nothing to do with our economic conditions(which are far better than Canada at the moment for anyone who studies). No one leaves a good college and joins here as a student, we land here as either PRs or come through work permits as this labour market isn't really competitive for most of us who are skilled professionals.

Reality is that, Indian govt wins through immigration too with good immigrants. As a NRI, I'll keep on investing in Indian govt bonds as they provide very high returns. With people like me not even being a part of their vote bank(minority), is there anything for them to be even concerned about? They'll get a minimum of $20-30k/year from me for rest of my life without lifting a finger.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Brampton only allows 6 in my basement unfortunately. We need to elect more gujjus into the city council.

Mr. Patel for mayor of Brampton

 

[tumblewit]

The H1B visa is literally a lottery and a significant number of them go to tech consulting sweat shops, which are filled with subpar tech workers from India. The idea that everyone under a H1B, is highly skilled, is a myth.

America forces you to get a Masters for STEM H1B (bachelors H1Bs are very rare) while in Canada a graduate certificate can be enough to get a PR and many times a bachelors is not required for it (Ontario graduate certificate for example). The bar is lower for a PR. The bar even in a sweat shop is high compared to a Canadian PR. A sweat shop consultant is still an engineer even if he is a bad engineer is what I am trying to say.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

America forces you to get a Masters for STEM H1B (bachelors H1Bs are very rare) while in Canada a graduate certificate can be enough to get a PR and many times a bachelors is not required for it (Ontario graduate certificate for example). The bar is lower for a PR. The bar even in a sweat shop is high compared to a Canadian PR. A sweat shop consultant is still an engineer even if he is a bad engineer is what I am trying to say.

Fwiw, most PRs are way subpar in quality compared to H1Bs. There is a horrible echochamber here where people who scored CLB9 or even lower assume they are somehow better - most of them have never worked in the US or with H1Bs. As long as CRS isn't rewarding for exceptional pays, outstanding academics, etc - we know the bar is extremely low.

I did french ffs to get my PR, it was lame and unskilled - my next plan to land here through C11 pathway. The latter would've been far more respectable. 90% of us here are the former language->PR route folks. We realistically aren't better than a H1B. American culture shapes and challenge these professionals - they collect world class talent, make it compete based on some of the world's highest productivity standards, and helps you grow with uncertainty. There's a reason why comps are way higher in the US, has less to do with "corporations", more to do with the extremely poor labour productivity in Canada.

 

[seadrag0n]

Fwiw, most PRs are way subpar in quality compared to H1Bs. There is a horrible echochamber here where people who scored CLB9 or even lower assume they are somehow better - most of them have never worked in the US or with H1Bs. As long as CRS isn't rewarding for exceptional pays, outstanding academics, etc - we know the bar is extremely low.

I did french ffs to get my PR, it was lame and unskilled - my next plan to land here through C11 pathway. The latter would've been far more respectable. 90% of us here are the former language->PR route folks. We realistically aren't better than a H1B. American culture shapes and challenge these professionals - they collect world class talent, make it compete based on some of the world's highest productivity standards, and helps you grow with uncertainty. There's a reason why comps are way higher in the US, has less to do with "corporations", more to do with the extremely poor labour productivity in Canada.

H1B workers are so great, they can't even qualify for the low bar Canadian PR.

 

[GandiBaat]

The H1B visa is literally a lottery and a significant number of them go to tech consulting sweat shops, which are filled with subpar tech workers from India. The idea that everyone under a H1B, is highly skilled, is a myth.

FYI, US considers H1Bs as "specialty occupation" and NOT really "highly skilled" occupations. You are confusing it with O-1 visa perhaps.

Reference : https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/h-1b-specialty-occupations

H-1B Specialty Occupations

The occupation requires: Theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge; and Attainment of a bachelor's or higher degree in the specific specialty (or its equivalent) as a minimum for entry into the occupation in the United States. The position must also meet one of the following criteria to qualify as a specialty occupation: Bachelor’s or higher degree or its equivalent is normally the minimum entry requirement for the particular position The degree requirement is common to the industry in parallel positions among similar organizations or, in the alternative, the job is so complex or unique that it can be performed only by an individual with a degree The employer normally requires a degree or its equivalent for the position The nature of the specific duties is so specialized and complex that the knowledge required to perform the duties is usually associated with the attainment of a bachelor’s or higher degree.* For you to qualify to perform services in a specialty occupation you must meet one of the following criteria: Hold a U.S. bachelor’s or higher degree required by the specialty occupation from an accredited college or university Hold a foreign degree that is the equivalent to a U.S. bachelor’s or higher degree required by the specialty occupation from an accredited college or university Hold an unrestricted state license, registration, or certification that authorizes you to fully practice the specialty occupation and be immediately engaged in that specialty in the state of intended employment Have education, specialized training, and/or progressively responsible experience that is equivalent to the completion of a U.S. bachelor’s or higher degree in the specialty occupation, and have recognition of expertise in the specialty through progressively responsible positions directly related to the specialty.**

Notice "Highly" and "Skilled" does not ever feature in this description. They just want to see "speciality" occupation.

 

[tumblewit]

FYI, US considers H1Bs as "specialty occupation" and NOT really "highly skilled" occupations. You are confusing it with O-1 visa perhaps.

Reference : https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/h-1b-specialty-occupations

H-1B Specialty Occupations

The occupation requires: Theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge; and Attainment of a bachelor's or higher degree in the specific specialty (or its equivalent) as a minimum for entry into the occupation in the United States. The position must also meet one of the following criteria to qualify as a specialty occupation: Bachelor’s or higher degree or its equivalent is normally the minimum entry requirement for the particular position The degree requirement is common to the industry in parallel positions among similar organizations or, in the alternative, the job is so complex or unique that it can be performed only by an individual with a degree The employer normally requires a degree or its equivalent for the position The nature of the specific duties is so specialized and complex that the knowledge required to perform the duties is usually associated with the attainment of a bachelor’s or higher degree.* For you to qualify to perform services in a specialty occupation you must meet one of the following criteria: Hold a U.S. bachelor’s or higher degree required by the specialty occupation from an accredited college or university Hold a foreign degree that is the equivalent to a U.S. bachelor’s or higher degree required by the specialty occupation from an accredited college or university Hold an unrestricted state license, registration, or certification that authorizes you to fully practice the specialty occupation and be immediately engaged in that specialty in the state of intended employment Have education, specialized training, and/or progressively responsible experience that is equivalent to the completion of a U.S. bachelor’s or higher degree in the specialty occupation, and have recognition of expertise in the specialty through progressively responsible positions directly related to the specialty.**

Notice "Highly" and "Skilled" does not ever feature in this description. They just want to see "speciality" occupation.

The competition for that visa is so high that at this point they probably only call it a 'lottery' to attract people. Internally there has to be some ranking system. Top graduates I know in US did not have to apply for the lottery more than once.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

The competition for that visa is so high that at this point they probably only call it a 'lottery' to attract people. Internally there has to be some ranking system. Top graduates I know in US did not have to apply for the lottery more than once.

Usually all the ivy leaguers get to stay. And anyone in big finance

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

H1B workers are so great, they can't even qualify for the low bar Canadian PR.

I don't think we can say that scoring high on languages makes you more skilled at anything. Hence, my take that most of us are marginally better than lambdas. IELTS or TEF don't define skills, yet they are the only thing that largely control(or controlled) PR. It is good to see very supportive stats from 2022 on better performance of PRs, but that itself isn't sufficient for us to compare ourselves with H1Bs.

 

[GandiBaat]

The competition for that visa is so high that at this point they probably only call it a 'lottery' to attract people. Internally there has to be some ranking system. Top graduates I know in US did not have to apply for the lottery more than once.

Why will USCIS go through so much trouble to do it "internally"? Do you think bureaucrats are policy makers? They are executors and will not put any further effort than needed. If US government WANTS that policy, they will add conditions to H1B. Remember, USCIS will have to also defend their decisions if they are challenged in court. If such details leak out or found out, it will be much bigger trouble for them.

 

[GandiBaat]

Usually all the ivy leaguers get to stay. And anyone in big finance

I have seen enough people from USC stay in US that I do not think there is any kind of merit involved in visa decisions anywhere. USC gives admission to anyone with a pulse and big enough money bag.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

This is a huge myth. Most of these kids are not fooled. They know exactly what’s happening in Canada. They just want to get into Canada by whatever means possible. They know that they won’t qualify for PR so they use diploma mills to enter Canada. I’m sure most of them don’t give a crap about getting a good education either. I have never seen this form of desperation from any other nationality apart from Indians. We are a special breed. I left India years ago so I’m not aware of the economic situation in India but I’m amazed at the fact that despite the news claiming that India has grown significantly, the of Indians are looking

America forces you to get a Masters for STEM H1B (bachelors H1Bs are very rare) while in Canada a graduate certificate can be enough to get a PR and many times a bachelors is not required for it (Ontario graduate certificate for example). The bar is lower for a PR. The bar even in a sweat shop is high compared to a Canadian PR. A sweat shop consultant is still an engineer even if he is a bad engineer is what I am trying to say.

I have no idea where you got this info about all H1B workers being masters graduates. Indian consulting firms like TCS and Infosys send thousands of tech workers to the US every year. Many of them who have subpar language and technical skills. My own brother has worked with them and he’s claimed that a lot of them have garbage communication skills and have difficulty forming emails. They’re literally offered as cheap labour alternatives for American workers. It’s only the FAANG companies who recruit the cream of the crop from India and other countries.

 

[Lord_Tony]

I have no idea where you got this info about all H1B workers being masters graduates. Indian consulting firms like TCS and Infosys send thousands of tech workers to the US every year. Many of them who have subpar language and technical skills. My own brother has worked with them and he’s claimed that a lot of them have garbage communication skills and have difficulty forming emails. They’re literally offered as cheap labour alternatives for American workers. It’s only the FAANG companies who recruit the cream of the crop from India and other countries.

I know a few of the others in this forum have previously corrected you when you were attacking Indians. I take no pleasure in writing against your poor opinion of Indians. As a non Indian working in the Technology consulting field for almost 20 years with 2 BIG4 firm experience, what I can tell you is most US origin technology workers are Sub-par too, the exceptions are most FAANG employees and few others in the cutting edge fields .
Only reason this US origin sub-par workers survive are 1) no need for Visas and employer documentation/legal fees, 2) superior language skills 3)They join within 15 days whereas visa folks are driven by the legal USCIS timelines. So you shouldn't be surprised that sub-par quality Indians are replacing Americans. Those Indians are replacing Americans who are equally inferior I would call it a fair swap. At-least Asians and Africans think and have some IQ and EQ which those Americans don't have, only thing they can do is make racist rants in those forums in FB, Twitter, Quora, Reddit.
The bigger problem you should be concerned is the Tech workers coming to Canada, who are even worse than those in the USA doing low end work. Then after getting Canadian citizenship get TN visa go and replace more Americans.