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[Lord_Tony]

So what is the point of announcing the important of STEM and all those news? Is that so ridiculous and giving fake hope?

My understanding is STEM asks (at least in IT) were met with more temporary immigrant like WPs for H1B visa holders, Also Sean Fraser was in the process of even giving WP for digital natives that now the current croissant clown had shelved. Most of the current delays or backlogs in PR approvals seems to be IT workers.

Good luck to you. We were discussing in this thread with an International student from Waterloo with a similar problem, I have a Financial analyst who works for me from Queens college. I see the problem all of you face because of the Diploma mills and fake LMIA's, the Canadian government on the other hand doesn't seem to care. The croissant is making all your lives even worse.

 

[henryle2802]

Not really because one of the major selling points by the government for increasing the number of international students is the huge amounts of money they supposedly bring into the Canadian economy. Even now the Indian media is shouting that Canada depends so much on Indian students to bring in money.

That I dont really care because that fair trade they get money and we get knowledge. It is not because i pay high tuition fee then I deserve PR. My point is why as Canadian degree, get a good job pay high tax, contribute to economy and still not as prioritize as people come from out of country without job. Many immigrants came here driving Uber and struggle so why they dont take people from inside who already have jobs and contribute to the economy?

 

[henryle2802]

My understanding is STEM asks (at least in IT) were met with more temporary immigrant like WPs for H1B visa holders, Also Sean Fraser was in the process of even giving WP for digital natives that now the current croissant clown had shelved. Most of the current delays or backlogs in PR approvals seems to be IT workers.

Good luck to you. We were discussing in this thread with an International student from Waterloo with a similar problem, I have a Financial analyst who works for me from Queens college. I see the problem all of you face because of the Diploma mills and fake LMIA's, the Canadian government on the other hand doesn't seem to care. The croissant is making all your lives even worse.

The only program I found make sense to me is the OINP foreign worker where they rate you on education, experience and your annual salary. I think that one country want, high quality worker, having good job to contribute to the economy not someone coming and claim benefit.

 

[youngnino]

I have 468 which college degree and no previous experience in my country. Max can get for graduate with 1 year experience is 474 tho.

Dude you should really focus on improving your english or your french.
Also I think after one year of work exp in Canada your points go up a whole bunch. Since you already have the job you just need to though it out.

I know it sucks but you're to close to give up. I was about to start my french 7 months ago but decided to wait and see what happens. Now I regret it.

I had to quit my job a couple of weeks ago and go all in on french. Even though I have 481 I know that with this situation I'm not getting invited any time soon.

 

[alexross]

That I dont really care because that fair trade they get money and we get knowledge. It is not because i pay high tuition fee then I deserve PR. My point is why as Canadian degree, get a good job pay high tax, contribute to economy and still not as prioritize as people come from out of country without job. Many immigrants came here driving Uber and struggle so why they dont take people from inside who already have jobs and contribute to the economy?

Totally agree. If someone has taken the effort to come and study in Canada, got the education and is working in Canada, they should get a PR there should be no question about that.

 

[henryle2802]

Dude you should really focus on improving your english or your french.
Also I think after one year of work exp in Canada your points go up a whole bunch. Since you already have the job you just need to though it out.

I know it sucks but you're to close to give up. I was about to start my french 7 months ago but decided to wait and see what happens. Now I regret it.

I had to quit my job a couple of weeks ago and go all in on french. Even though I have 481 I know that with this situation I'm not getting invited any time soon.

Well maximum you can get is 474, my Ielts is Clb 9 and 10. After 2 year, it will spike to 493 but now that score seem to be nothing.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Is it good to job-hop if you have 3-5years of exp?

Yes, unless you're already working with a great company. If you are working for a company whose economics are very great, you have an internal influence problem, which is largely fixable. I'd not suggest job hopping in that case(unless the work culture is toxic).

Knowing a bit of business economics will help you decide with more certainty:
1. high natural usage frequency product, high lifetime value (cash we make per customer)
2. low natural usage frequency product, high lifetime value
3. high natural usage frequency product, low lifetime value
4. both low

#1 is golden! This is what Open AI(and any other product-led/consumer-led growth company) is right now. Good for devs as these companies are super product led by business models and requires engineering growth to be at the core of product growth. Fwiw, Google was this back in 2000, same was Meta when Chamath was their Head of Growth.

#2 is good as long as there are no competitors. If the barrier to entry in this market is low and the company has no distinctive offering - not a very good business to work with. They will also spend ~50% of all they earn into new user acquisition, which makes them a relatively not so good company to work with.

#3 is better compared to #2, if the number of paying users climb and retention isn't horrible.

#4 - is bad one to work for! They are doomed by their own economics. They are lifestyle companies at best where the CEO might exit and buy a nice car + home, but not the type of companies where you can expect yourself to work and grow. They usually always appear confused as a company and simply try tactics. Unless they fix their natural usage frequency or life time value - they are going to eventually fail within 3-5 years.

With #1, #3 and to some extent #2 - you can do amazing comp structures as these companies only have upsides that will be very rewarding in the future. A good example of #2 is companies that operate within real estate, they have extremely low usage, referral value (k factor isn't amazing either), a cost effective source of acquisition (organic growth) is dying pretty fast, etc - but they are extremely desperate if someone can come in and fix shit. So #2 can be a big opportunity if someone in any capacity can fix: key growth metrics, OPEX(applies to devs as well), etc.

Overall preference:
#1 > #3 >> #2 >>>>>>>>> #4

 

[henryle2802]

Totally agree. If someone has taken the effort to come and study in Canada, got the education and is working in Canada, they should get a PR there should be no question about that.

They just make Canada looks like a humanitarian country with all effort to help people but that will destroy the country tho.

 

[imransyed]

Current international students and other TFWs are called out by the UN as indentured slaves to Canada.

I have said this before: Canada's TFWs face similar conditions to Saudis infamous Kafalah system.
Only difference is Canadian employers just don't seize your passport.
At least with Saudi you know what you're gonna get.

 

[Lord_Tony]

My point is maybe they should have new requirement for job offer not just experience, prioritize people with curent job and high salary like PNP requirment and even though money can flow back to their countries, tax money is collected at least.

I doubt many new entrants in FSW/PNP make enough to send money back home. Even if they earn most will want to save for house deposits etc.. Students on the other hand I feel should be kept in abeyance for longer as they are young, don't have family to support, share apartment stay in bed & breakfasts etc..save money they only way to spend in Travel or party.

 

[alexross]

Current international students and other TFWs are called out by the UN as indentured slaves to Canada.

I have said this before: Canada's TFWs face similar conditions to Saudis infamous Kafalah system.
Only difference is Canadian employers just don't seize your passport.
At least with Saudi you know what you're gonna get.

I agree with this. Just want to point out one major difference though: in Canada there is a pathway to citizenship where as in Saudi there isn't.

 

[henryle2802]

Current international students and other TFWs are called out by the UN as indentured slaves to Canada.

I have said this before: Canada's TFWs face similar conditions to Saudis infamous Kafalah system.
Only difference is Canadian employers just don't seize your passport.
At least with Saudi you know what you're gonna get.

What you mean by slave? Good life, good salary and everyone happy.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Totally agree. If someone has taken the effort to come and study in Canada, got the education and is working in Canada, they should get a PR there should be no question about that.

Not my place to say anything, but entry level workers that primarily do entry-level jobs shouldn't be blindly invited for a PR. Most invited for PR are CECs these days and the job market is full of poor applicants with Canadian education. It hasn't done the job market any favor except for spamming it with poor applications. This has fundamental challenges with reduced labour productivity that too when employers are already struggling to train entry-level workers.

I also see other comments from you where you said CRS appears to be unattainable. I'm 30+, outland, I had ~520 as my CRS. If I can do it, so can you.

Millions of students who were extremely unqualified to begin with (back home) have landed in Canada - no one leaves an elite school in their home country to graduate from these fodder institutions. Millions of them do minimum wage work too - none of those activities put them in the same bracket as a qualified student or a qualified worker that is an outlander.

When you say "they should get a PR there should be no question about that" - those would be my own objections as it would be unreasonable to bloat this poor education-> PR route any further than it already has. It has hurt an immigrant's image (which I'm okay with, but that isn't the general sentiment here) and it has led to a crisis(which can't be solved by giving PR to millions who will be nothing but a burden through non-equitable contributions).

I get what you are feeling. But, PR is no one's right. Even when I was at ~520 CRS and the draws were paused, I thought maybe I missed my chance. And I was okay to move on and work on the next thing(C-11 pathway). I'm just appreciate of Canada for handing out a citizenship opportunity to me without pumping in $200k-$500k (which is realistically the cost of getting a citizenship in first world countries).

 

[Lord_Tony]

What you mean by slave? Good life, good salary and everyone happy.

what is your definition of good salary in Canada?

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Current international students and other TFWs are called out by the UN as indentured slaves to Canada.

I have said this before: Canada's TFWs face similar conditions to Saudis infamous Kafalah system.
Only difference is Canadian employers just don't seize your passport.
At least with Saudi you know what you're gonna get.

its the same with US