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Yes, I guess US GC takes a very long time. Unless you can get into FAANG, then probably you can request your GC on day 1, I believe. Otherwise, it can take a very long time, I wonder what is the average of immigrants the first time they obtain GC in the US?

I doubt FAANG is as benevolent as you make it to be, sure you can make a request but I don't believe it would be approved, it all depends on your skillset and if it makes business sense, if you're an executive or one of those fellow or distinguished engineers for sure they'll fork out a GC, but if you're a common garden variety senior engineer, my guess is that you'll end up waiting like the rest of the pack.

- One more thing though, even IF a company sponsored you it is ultimately up to the US government to determine if you are worthy to get a GC. A $3T company like Apple cannot guarantee you a GC in the US, nor can it accelerate the process of getting one, which means you still have to fall in line with the other GC applicants no cutting in.

Spousal GC tends to be the fastest, they take about 14-18 mos. from start of application to GC.
Employment GC takes about 18-24mos from the day you start the PERM application, and assuming you paid the priority I-140.

ROW means you were not born in India or China, so you can get your GC faster. So, if you want, you can actually go straight for your GC rather than aiming for a Canadian passport as a backup as @GandiBaat suggested. So you have not decided to stay in the US? That's why you try to keep your canadian PR is it?

I am ROW. I'm keeping my Canadian PR, and getting a Canadian citizenship first for the following reasons:

(1) I am NOT willing to take the risk of being forced to return to my home country. I don't like the idea of applying to the US, only declining at the very end because a company would only do an H1B or maybe hire me locally in Canada and transfer me over to the US via L1. The salary is immaterial at this point, even if they offer me something like 400K I'll still decline it, because the chance of being kicked out of the US would be very very real on a temporary VISA - just look at the number of people with H1Bs that got laid-off recently from big companies like Amazon and Facebook, I don't want to end up like those people struggling to find a sponsor in the short 60 day period.

(2) Getting a direct GC is very difficult even for ROW, statistically people who are outside the US has a 60% chance of being approved for a GC versus those who apply inside at 95% - assuming of course, all requirements are satisfied i.e. legal status, fraud checks, etc., that said most companies prefer going through an H1B or L1 route to bring people in. As described above, I'm not one of those executives, or someone with an extremely unique skillset that would warrant a direct GC sponsorship, so what would likely happen is that they'll keep me under temporary permit until a business case appears that would make sponsoring me for a GC worth it. I'm not being pessimistic, just realistic.
From the news I see, and stories I've heard, I feel that's how things are going to work, and as I previously said I will not go back to my home country.

(3) I want the Canadian passport, since being able to travel without stringent VISA requirements is something I'm looking forward to. It's not just about making money, it's about spending it too.

(4) I want my options, the US is known for less positive things like mass shootings, crime and even organized shoplifting (Walmart closed in Portland because a lot of people just come in, get stuff and get out without paying), being able to just drive north and settle there is always welcome. It's unquestionable that the US makes more money and has better careers, the same way it's unquestionable that Canada is more peaceful and has less crime.

So I'll go south and try to make $$$, and try to settle there, then if there are too many bullets going over my head OR I fail to get a GC, I'll just drive up north - hopefully I'll have enough money for a home downpayment when that happens though.
 
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how likely is a row applicant getting his ticket through the DV category?
idk anything about US GC.
And I recently discovered country of birth is what is considered rather than the actual citizenship?
Eg I am an indian but I was born in an eligible for dv country
 
how likely is a row applicant getting his ticket through the DV category?
idk anything about US GC.
And I recently discovered country of birth is what is considered rather than the actual citizenship?
Eg I am an indian but I was born in an eligible for dv country

If you're not born in India, then you're part of ROW, unless you're born in China in which case back in the backlog you go.

As for the chances, my guess is it's the same as everyone else's. Everyone who goes through DV is essentially a ROW applicant, since DV are only issued to ROW countries - actually to a smaller list of countries than ROW countries.
 
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how likely is a row applicant getting his ticket through the DV category?
idk anything about US GC.
And I recently discovered country of birth is what is considered rather than the actual citizenship?
Eg I am an indian but I was born in an eligible for dv country
I apply every year for the last 8 years and never got picked. I was born in the middle east as well. What I have seen, the chances are around 1% and can be increased to 2% if your spouse is also eligible to apply for DV.
 
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how likely is a row applicant getting his ticket through the DV category?
idk anything about US GC.
And I recently discovered country of birth is what is considered rather than the actual citizenship?
Eg I am an indian but I was born in an eligible for dv country
Close to impossible. It's between 0% and 2.5% for most countries. If your skin is closer towards the darker shade it's closer towards the 0%, if it's on the other end it's closer to the higher end. Reason being all of said brown or black population is applying meanwhile very few Australians are applying as an example
 
Hey guys,
Its a POST-ITA Questio
Question: Does the digital photograph submitted to OINP work for the ITA app as well or does it have different specifications?
 
iirc, you asked this question before. 481 has good chances with STEM given that the last draw did 486. However, paused draws do impact this, the extent of which is unpredictable.

While you are waiting, keep working on your CRS. You never know what ends up helping here.

Yep, really almost impossible to predict... Looks like STEM draw can happen next week or could not happen at all =(
 
Yep, really almost impossible to predict... Looks like STEM draw can happen next week or could not happen at all =(

One thing is for sure, draws will happen this year or next. When that happens, you should be ready with a CRS that's competitive. This system rewards those that aren't short sighted and are willing to wait while working on their competitiveness.
 
I doubt FAANG is as benevolent as you make it to be, sure you can make a request but I don't believe it would be approved, it all depends on your skillset and if it makes business sense, if you're an executive or one of those fellow or distinguished engineers for sure they'll fork out a GC, but if you're a common garden variety senior engineer, my guess is that you'll end up waiting like the rest of the pack.

- One more thing though, even IF a company sponsored you it is ultimately up to the US government to determine if you are worthy to get a GC. A $3T company like Apple cannot guarantee you a GC in the US, nor can it accelerate the process of getting one, which means you still have to fall in line with the other GC applicants no cutting in.

Spousal GC tends to be the fastest, they take about 14-18 mos. from start of application to GC.
Employment GC takes about 18-24mos from the day you start the PERM application, and assuming you paid the priority I-140.



I am ROW. I'm keeping my Canadian PR, and getting a Canadian citizenship first for the following reasons:

(1) I am NOT willing to take the risk of being forced to return to my home country. I don't like the idea of applying to the US, only declining at the very end because a company would only do an H1B or maybe hire me locally in Canada and transfer me over to the US via L1. The salary is immaterial at this point, even if they offer me something like 400K I'll still decline it, because the chance of being kicked out of the US would be very very real on a temporary VISA - just look at the number of people with H1Bs that got laid-off recently from big companies like Amazon and Facebook, I don't want to end up like those people struggling to find a sponsor in the short 60 day period.

(2) Getting a direct GC is very difficult even for ROW, statistically people who are outside the US has a 60% chance of being approved for a GC versus those who apply inside at 95% - assuming of course, all requirements are satisfied i.e. legal status, fraud checks, etc., that said most companies prefer going through an H1B or L1 route to bring people in. As described above, I'm not one of those executives, or someone with an extremely unique skillset that would warrant a direct GC sponsorship, so what would likely happen is that they'll keep me under temporary permit until a business case appears that would make sponsoring me for a GC worth it. I'm not being pessimistic, just realistic.
From the news I see, and stories I've heard, I feel that's how things are going to work, and as I previously said I will not go back to my home country.

(3) I want the Canadian passport, since being able to travel without stringent VISA requirements is something I'm looking forward to. It's not just about making money, it's about spending it too.

(4) I want my options, the US is known for less positive things like mass shootings, crime and even organized shoplifting (Walmart closed in Portland because a lot of people just come in, get stuff and get out without paying), being able to just drive north and settle there is always welcome. It's unquestionable that the US makes more money and has better careers, the same way it's unquestionable that Canada is more peaceful and has less crime.

So I'll go south and try to make $$$, and try to settle there, then if there are too many bullets going over my head OR I fail to get a GC, I'll just drive up north - hopefully I'll have enough money for a home downpayment when that happens though.
I get what you mean. I’m basically planning on doing the same. Double taxation sucks, but I like having options. 1 year and a half and I can apply for citizenship and will probably get US GC through family next year. My goal will be to get both, even if I have to come here for 3-4 month vacations to finish the 3 year requirement. Healthcare is shitty here, but at least in case of emergencies it can be good. I had a pleural effusion while I was in Brazil and was unemployed. Had to stay in the hospital for 1 month and paid nothing. If I was in the US with the same situation, I would have a million $ debt and I doubt I would make it 2 Brazil on a 16 hr flight the way I was.
 
I get what you mean. I’m basically planning on doing the same. Double taxation sucks, but I like having options. 1 year and a half and I can apply for citizenship and will probably get US GC through family next year. My goal will be to get both, even if I have to come here for 3-4 month vacations to finish the 3 year requirement. Healthcare is shitty here, but at least in case of emergencies it can be good. I had a pleural effusion while I was in Brazil and was unemployed. Had to stay in the hospital for 1 month and paid nothing. If I was in the US with the same situation, I would have a million $ debt and I doubt I would make it 2 Brazil on a 16 hr flight the way I was.

You're lucky to have someone to sponsor you to the US. As for healthcare, probably not millions unless you don't have any kind of health insurance, but my guess is that if you go for the premium ones (the $1000+/mo. one), you could've gotten away with the procedure for a few thousand dollars.
 
I was unemployed at the time, between jobs so no insurance. That’s why I said in similar situations in the US. You kinda never think it will happen, until it does and you’re life is over lol. Even with insurance though, it would be hella expensive.
You're lucky to have someone to sponsor you to the US. As for healthcare, probably not millions unless you don't have any kind of health insurance, but my guess is that if you go for the premium ones (the $1000+/mo. one), you could've gotten away with the procedure for a few thousand dollars.
 
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I doubt FAANG is as benevolent as you make it to be, sure you can make a request but I don't believe it would be approved, it all depends on your skillset and if makes business sense, if you're an executive or one of those fellow or distinguished engineers for sure they'll fork out a GC, but if you're a common garden variety senior engineer, my guess is that you'll end waiting like the rest of the pack.

Spousal GC tends to be the fastest, they take about 14-18th mos. from start of application to GC.

Microsoft has a policy of applying GC on day 1. My employer (a FAANG company) also has that policy. But there are multiple companies and I can not say for sure for all of them.
 
One thing is for sure, draws will happen this year or next. When that happens, you should be ready with a CRS that's competitive. This system rewards those that aren't short sighted and are willing to wait while working on their competitiveness.

Previously 481 was really competitive, but now even 481 in STEM could not be a guaranty... But yeah, I agree and working on additional points.
 
Previously 481 was really competitive, but now even 481 in STEM could not be a guaranty... But yeah, I agree and working on additional points.
Cos everyone is applying for Canada. They have now realized 3 years until citizenship is better than most countries.

If you go on YouTube, even high skilled immigrants from Europe are moving to canada cos the pay is better and more opportunities (Lol) and it won't take a decade to get thr passport
 
The pool distribution has changed a lot since July 5 STEM draw...

This is the pool distribution from August 15
CRS score rangeNumber of candidates
601-1200984
501-6002,172
451-50055,924
491-5002,709
481-4906,721
471-48019,351

And this is the pool distribution from July 4
CRS score rangeNumber of candidates
601-1200353
501-600726
451-50054,732
491-500831
481-4904,719
471-48020,475

They've cleared out most 501-600 on the August 15 draw but, there is still more than before, and 491-500 has tripled.
I don't know how many of those new applicants are STEM, but I don't think that with 500 invitations it'll go down to 486 again.
We deserve an entire draw of 4300 invitations for stem :p