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[seadrag0n]

Some folks are demanding CEC only draws ......
https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/who-else-is-scared-and-frustrated-about-lack-of-cec-draws.786558/

I have seen a lot posts like this in FB groups, looks like a lot of CEC's will be forced to leave because their PGWP is expiring and they don't have ITA because of high cutoffs.

 

[Shubham6120]

Guys need help.
Can anyone share the link to fill "the goods to follow" form please.

Plus any Indian who has prepaid airtel cellular sim, does it work for otp and sms services?

If not airtel which cellular network works fine?

 

[GandiBaat]

I have seen a lot posts like this in FB groups, looks like a lot of CEC's will be forced to leave because their PGWP is expiring and they don't have ITA because of high cutoffs.

Which is weird!

PNPs have about 86K approved places. A person on PGWP stands a very good chance to capture those places. Its simply that a lot of SP -> PGWP -> CEC are getting out competed even though a similar person owing to their canadian education and work exp gets about 15 points more (486 vs 501 for a under 30, masters holding, 1 year work exp (outside Canada vs in Canada). If employer agrees for LMIA or has a LMIA on hand, he can get 50 more points. If s/he has a job offer (LMIA not required), s/he can get 600 points via PNP.

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

Which is weird!

PNPs have about 86K approved places. A person on PGWP stands a very good chance to capture those places. Its simply that a lot of SP -> PGWP -> CEC are getting out competed even with additional 30 points due to their canadian credentials, 1 year of canadian work exp gives 40 points by itself, skill transferability.

Many of them cannot even pass IELTS which is ridiculous for someone who studied in Canada. That paired up with general entitlement ("please give me PR. I graduated from prestigious Lambda college") is something that pisses me off majorly. I graduated from a Canadian university with Masters but have never felt that I deserve PR more than someone who is from outside. I have always felt that my Masters would help me with my career and just ease my process of getting a job but have never assumed that I would get PR just because I studied here. That's why I went to UWaterloo and not George Brown college; having degree from Waterloo helped me a lot when I was looking for a job in EU.

 

[GandiBaat]

Many of them cannot even pass IELTS which is ridiculous for someone who studied in Canada. That paired up with general entitlement ("please give me PR. I graduated from prestigious Lambda college") is something that pisses me off majorly. I graduated from a Canadian university with Masters but have never felt that I deserve PR more than someone who is from outside. I have always felt that my Masters would help me with my career and just ease my process of getting a job but have never assumed that I would get PR just because I studied here. That's why I went to UWaterloo and not George Brown college; having degree from Waterloo helped me a lot when I was looking for a job in EU.

At that point they are getting out competed which is perfectly normal! SP is no ticket to PR!

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

At that point they are getting out competed which is perfectly normal! SP is no ticket to PR!

It's normal because most of those CEC candidates don't want to put extra effort. If one who graduated from Canadian university, worked 1 year in Canada (extra points for both) cannot get max IELTS (extra points here as well) and don't want to learn French to get extra points, then he/she can blame only themselves. In that sense, IRCC is pretty transparent. They didn't change points for those in Canada, didn't drop them out of draws by limiting to FSW only.

In ON, at least, if one graduated with Masters within last 2 (?) years, he/she can obtain PR through PNP. I would think that other provinces have something similar.

 

[GandiBaat]

It's normal because most of those CEC candidates don't want to put extra effort. If one who graduated from Canadian university, worked 1 year in Canada (extra points for both) cannot get max IELTS (extra points here as well) and don't want to learn French to get extra points, then he/she can blame only themselves. In that sense, IRCC is pretty transparent. They didn't change points for those in Canada, didn't drop them out of draws by limiting to FSW only.

In ON, at least, if one graduated with Masters within last 2 (?) years, he/she can obtain PR through PNP. I would think that other provinces have something similar.

BC is more liberal. If you did a science or engineering Post Grad degree like masters from a univ or institution in BC in last 3 years, you do not even need a job offer. You get PNP just like that.

 

[seadrag0n]

It's normal because most of those CEC candidates don't want to put extra effort. If one who graduated from Canadian university, worked 1 year in Canada (extra points for both) cannot get max IELTS (extra points here as well) and don't want to learn French to get extra points, then he/she can blame only themselves. In that sense, IRCC is pretty transparent. They didn't change points for those in Canada, didn't drop them out of draws by limiting to FSW only.

In ON, at least, if one graduated with Masters within last 2 (?) years, he/she can obtain PR through PNP. I would think that other provinces have something similar.

I read that competition for paper based OINP streams is very high because there are too many people here lol

 

[SatNight]

Which is weird!

PNPs have about 86K approved places. A person on PGWP stands a very good chance to capture those places. Its simply that a lot of SP -> PGWP -> CEC are getting out competed even though a similar person owing to their canadian education and work exp gets about 15 points more (486 vs 501 for a under 30, masters holding, 1 year work exp (outside Canada vs in Canada). If employer agrees for LMIA or has a LMIA on hand, he can get 50 more points. If s/he has a job offer (LMIA not required), s/he can get 600 points via PNP.

While I disagree with the poster asking about CEC draws, as I explained in the thread, PNP is not an easy option at all for many people, because it's either NOC-based or even more competitive than Express Entry.

CEC is the best program for people with Canadian degrees and experience. It admits the most people and it's not limited by NOC.

If someone is not competitive enough for CEC, then of course seeking PNP makes sense. Or if someone easily qualifies for PNP. But for most candidates, CEC is the best and most realistic option.

Also, CEC candidates need to understand that FSW are not their competitors as much as the other CEC. A CEC candidate that has 500+ points is equally CEC as the one with 470. Selecting them over the 470 candidate is how the system works. At this point, I doubt even CEC only draws would lower the scores much.

 

[RSub]

Guys need help.
Can anyone share the link to fill "the goods to follow" form please.

Plus any Indian who has prepaid airtel cellular sim, does it work for otp and sms services?

If not airtel which cellular network works fine?

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/bsf186a.pdf
Not sure about Airtel, but I got a decent plan from Fido. 30 GB internet plus 1000 minutes free to India for $55.

 

[armitabbsn]

It's normal because most of those CEC candidates don't want to put extra effort. If one who graduated from Canadian university, worked 1 year in Canada (extra points for both) cannot get max IELTS (extra points here as well) and don't want to learn French to get extra points, then he/she can blame only themselves. In that sense, IRCC is pretty transparent. They didn't change points for those in Canada, didn't drop them out of draws by limiting to FSW only.

In ON, at least, if one graduated with Masters within last 2 (?) years, he/she can obtain PR through PNP. I would think that other provinces have something similar.

How many points would one get with one year study in Canada and one year canadian work experience?

 

[statstud2]

How many points would one get with one year study and one year canadian work experience?

501 if you have perfect CLB 10 IELTS. But that assumes you don't have French or foreign work experience. If you have 1 year of foreign work experience in addition to the 1 year of Canadian, you get about 540 points or something in that range.

Also, this is assuming your highest degree is a Canadian master's

 

[GandiBaat]

How many points would one get with one year study in Canada and one year canadian work experience?

If your employer is supportive for doing a LMIA, you can get 50 more points.

Given that right now cutoff is 507 and they are doing 5500 invite rounds, it is likely such CEC (with 1 year exp and 501 points) will get invite.

If their english is still lacking, now is the good time to push those scores up. Its not impossible. We have likes of @mushymush who mastered FRENCH of all things to push his points up.

And then there is a nuclear option called PNP.

 

[statstud2]

If your employer is supportive for doing a LMIA, you can get 50 more points.

Given that right now cutoff is 507 and they are doing 5500 invite rounds, it is likely such CEC (with 1 year exp and 501 points) will get invite.

When do you think the next draw is? 25th of January right? Kubeir says it might be the 18th but I don't think they'll do two draws in a row. Did that ever happen haha?

 

[GandiBaat]

When do you think the next draw is? 25th of January right? Kubeir says it might be the 18th but I don't think they'll do two draws in a row. Did that ever happen haha?

I honestly don't know and my crystal ball in this sense is as bright as anyone else here and especially kubeir "SiR". I think they should follow their rhythm of 2 weeks but sometimes IRCC sings out of tune...