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The bigger question is why will they choose Canada over USA. Better weather, more variety of women, wine, cars and drugs, more choice of universities with bigger names (they are not coming to study anyways) and better real estate.

Why will you like to live in Seattle like Vancouver, when you can live in sunny LA?
Why study at UBC when you can study at UCLA?

If one is buying prestige, no place shouts that out much more than USA.

Canada is a compromise. I doubt these folks are here to compromise. And certainly compromise is not why even Canada is reaching out to them.

Even rich Chinese send their kids to Canada with a view to get them a foot outside China. If a new passport is not what you want, the kingdom down south is a better bang for the buck. Unless... you cant just live there from some very personal reason. Those folks are not very common.

Canada and global south are kind of made for each other. Both are seeking compromises. Nothing wrong in it. Most of us are middle class folks and we middle class folks always compromise.
Simple they don't go to the USA but to will go to Canada or Australia or even the UK.
1) The reason is USA Colleges cost a lot 4-12 times of colleges cost in the above 3 countries, and US degrees are also not easy to graduate. America doesn't give these half bakes 1 yr 2 yr courses tailored for Lambdas or Immigration Fraud.
2) Most of the Middle East students are sponsored by the Crown Government or Billionaires doing charity. What I get from @Impatient Dankaroo is those beneficiaries are kids of single women. These women I assume are abandoned by their Husbands who as per shariat law marry and divorce multiple times over their life time or went to fight religious wars and are dead.
3) Those charity candidates or their sponsors will look for value for money. In these 3 countries college fee is cheaper, candidates can get a degree relatively easier, whereas one has to slog their ass*s to even get a par score in the USA.

The extravaganza good accommodation/cars I mentioned about is bought with normal 3-5 k pocket money given to these students by billionaires and the students spend it unlike a poor Lambda who parents have taken a loan or pawned his farm, which weighs the Lambda to scourge for food in foodbanks, live with 29 other kids in @navinball like houses.

The Oil Heirs, yes as you say are in Boston or Manhattan or choices places in California, or last London's buying the best of education and lifestyle, wine, women what not.
 

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Simple they don't go to the USA but to will go to Canada or Australia or even the UK.
1) The reason is USA Colleges cost a lot 4-12 times of colleges cost in the above 3 countries, and US degrees are also not easy to graduate. America doesn't give these half bakes 1 yr 2 yr courses tailored for Lambdas or Immigration Fraud.
Arabs? Cost? Do they care? At least not the arabs Canada is courting in UAE or SA.
 

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Arabs? Cost? Do they care? At least not the arabs Canada is courting in UAE or SA.
Heirs won't, but these sponsored kids don't get to decide for themselves, These decision of sponsorship are made by the governments officials of the Crown Prince or the office personnel of the emirs or Sheiks, who do care abut costs. Unfortunately for the kids.
Let me get you all more details about this sponsorships. I knew someone who after his accounting degree, wanted to work a couple of years in an Big4 firm and parallelly try for his Australian CPA etc...but his sponsors were after him forcing him to comeback in a very pushy fashion which is how I know.
 
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I agree with most of your points except one thing. These lamda Indian students allow themselves to be exploited. Canada has labor laws to protect workers but these lamdas are so desperate to get a job and paid that they are willing to work more hours, less breaks and sometimes lower than min. wage because they fear unemployment due to various reasons such as their loans from India, embarrassment, etc. They could easily choose to go back to India or refuse shit jobs but because its a race to the bottom, they can't. You can't blame the Canadian government for that. It's a mentality. Replace French with Indian and these guys have too much pride to be exploited, they would rather return home. For whatever reason, the indians and other students from shit countries are fine w being exploited. That's why Canadians (and other immigrants) are starting to develop antipathy towards these guys
The answer to your question is very clear once you start understanding who Canada targets and why.

They(IRCC) are targeting the most vulnerable/stupid students that are likely to land due to ignorance, fall into debt and then never be able to leave wilfully. A french or any other developed nation's passport holder will have opportunities that these students won't. Not to mention it won't be very hard to pay the loans if the pay back home for an average worker is decent. These int'l students are taking 10x loans required that can only be paid back through earning in CAD for them.

Canada's immigration by design brings in lower wage workers and exploits them for every last $ they own. Marc Miller's statement of "cheap labour" and their reluctance to cap makes me also believe what I say is true. They realistically can't take more than 50k students per year if they only wanted to bring talent, yet they will continue to bring in people to eventually trap them to get as much value out of them as possible. Corps are breaking record profits on availability of labour that's never going to ask for higher wages or even benefits.

You should go to SF Bay Area or Banglore, meet Indians and compare them to these lambdas and see the difference for yourself. Canada has nothing monetary to offer to most of us who were doing well, so we don't complain, neither we are seen out there as much. We only see lambdas primarily because it is fashionable to mock them, or that they do stupid shit that makes them more visible. There's a reason why so many Indians easily buy homes in Canada while Canadians keep talking about housing affordability - a large number of us do better, but we are very silent.

Int'l students are definitely building an image that Indians have no self-respect, but that's something I'm personally okay with. We should really be diverting our hate towards these LMIA sellers, slumlords, etc tbh. The former is just immature, the later is just downright criminal.
 
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Int'l students are definitely building an image that Indians have no self-respect, but that's something I'm personally okay with. We should really be diverting our hate towards these LMIA sellers, slumlords, etc tbh. The former is just immature, the later is just downright criminal.
Here’s a reason why the anger towards a specific group of international students is justified. Have a look at the chaos they are creating.

https://www.insauga.com/video-chaos-ensues-after-massive-diwali-celebrations-take-over-mississauga-parking-lot/

These filth are not here to study nor are they here in Canada to contribute positively. When you start importing the rednecks and filth of society through a lax student program, you start to see a breakdown in social cohesion and an increase in crime. Canada is going to have a very huge problem in the future if they don’t get deportations in order. The group you see in the video are not going to be PRs nor are they going to contribute positively to Canada in any way. Once they become undocumented and are not integrated, they become Canada’s future criminals. The idea that the people calling these filth out for their behaviour, are unjust and bigoted is nonsensical. Political correctness belongs in the garbage bin if it’s used to defend criminal behaviour.
 

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The answer to your question is very clear once you start understanding who Canada targets and why.

They(IRCC) are targeting the most vulnerable/stupid students that are likely to land due to ignorance, fall into debt and then never be able to leave wilfully. A french or any other developed nation's passport holder will have opportunities that these students won't. Not to mention it won't be very hard to pay the loans if the pay back home for an average worker is decent. These int'l students are taking 10x loans required that can only be paid back through earning in CAD for them.

Canada's immigration by design brings in lower wage workers and exploits them for every last $ they own. Marc Miller's statement of "cheap labour" and their reluctance to cap makes me also believe what I say is true. They realistically can't take more than 50k students per year if they only wanted to bring talent, yet they will continue to bring in people to eventually trap them to get as much value out of them as possible. Corps are breaking record profits on availability of labour that's never going to ask for higher wages or even benefits.

You should go to SF Bay Area or Banglore, meet Indians and compare them to these lambdas and see the difference for yourself. Canada has nothing monetary to offer to most of us who were doing well, so we don't complain, neither we are seen out there as much. We only see lambdas primarily because it is fashionable to mock them, or that they do stupid shit that makes them more visible. There's a reason why so many Indians easily buy homes in Canada while Canadians keep talking about housing affordability - a large number of us do better, but we are very silent.

Int'l students are definitely building an image that Indians have no self-respect, but that's something I'm personally okay with. We should really be diverting our hate towards these LMIA sellers, slumlords, etc tbh. The former is just immature, the later is just downright criminal.
I'm curious what's gonna happen in the future. In the past, most students were pretty much guaranteed a PR pre 2019. Today, due to surplus of students and targeted draws, an average student can't get PR. Will they turn to fake LMIAs, leave or become illegals? Maybe marriage fraud. Some guys will get exploited further
 

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Here’s a reason why the anger towards a specific group of international students is justified. Have a look at the chaos they are creating.

https://www.insauga.com/video-chaos-ensues-after-massive-diwali-celebrations-take-over-mississauga-parking-lot/

These filth are not here to study nor are they here in Canada to contribute positively. When you start importing the rednecks and filth of society through a lax student program, you start to see a breakdown in social cohesion and an increase in crime. Canada is going to have a very huge problem in the future if they don’t get deportations in order. The group you see in the video are not going to be PRs nor are they going to contribute positively to Canada in any way. Once they become undocumented and are not integrated, they become Canada’s future criminals. The idea that the people calling these filth out for their behaviour, are unjust and bigoted is nonsensical. Political correctness belongs in the garbage bin if it’s used to defend criminal behaviour.
But the news source doesn't say those were int'l students. The clash is also with Khalistanis who had nothing to do with them coming there are fighting with them. Anyone who goes out to celebrate an event like Diwali with a flag(I also noticed an Indian flag there) has nothing to do with celebrating Diwali tbh. Is there any other news article that say those were students?(I'm curious).
 

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I'm curious what's gonna happen in the future. In the past, most students were pretty much guaranteed a PR pre 2019. Today, due to surplus of students and targeted draws, an average student can't get PR. Will they turn to fake LMIAs, leave or become illegals? Maybe marriage fraud. Some guys will get exploited further
The local groups that I'm a part of talk about LMIAs as if they are scalping tickets. Most immigration agencies in Calgary that offer LMIA assistance appear to be selling LMIAs. Just by reading some of these posts I can see that the rate a few years back used to be $30k, now it is $60k. I'll report them to CBSA this week as enough is enough.

While fake LMIAs are already a thing, marriage fraud is probably happening at a scale too. A lot more suicides will happen by these students compared to 4-5/month that's happening right now. A few dumb protests will happen and petitions will be filed that'll go no where. Some of them will try to work illegally, primarily by using someone else's SIN(from a PR or Citizen). A lot of them will leave though. I know a few of them who came here as a student and left within 1 year as Canada is tough to settle in.

Me and my spouse host free lunch/dinners for these students each weekend so that they can have some good food, get some good old family touch, etc. We are hoping to help them reach a mental capacity to probably make conscious decisions and not fall into prostitution, employer exploitation, etc. Preparing to make a big decision such as to go back requires time+mental preparedness too, so we(and some friends) are hoping to help them take the right step when it demands.

Some of these students(and their parents) were stupid enough to put everything they had as a collateral to get here. Which means there's nothing to back to if Canada doesn't work out. For those, we are thinking about rehabilitation programs where we can potentially help them gain confidence by getting employment back home. Getting a job offer and the option to earn an income back home can lay a relatively easier path to debt repayment and probably a future they'd love to live in.
 

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Stats only tells you so much about reality. If you just go off stats, you would think canada is heaven on earth with the number of rankings it ranks the top off made by people who never set foot here
Stats exist for a reason, which is help people make informed decisions rather than rely on someone's personal experience.

The US falling in almost all rankings should be an indication that things might not be so great there anymore.
 

Impatient Dankaroo

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Stats exist for a reason, which is help people make informed decisions rather than rely on someone's personal experience.

The US falling in almost all rankings should be an indication that things might not be so great there anymore.
Sure buddy. US is a terrible place. Please don't go there. You will get shot for having high melanin and everyone is an animal. It's worse than Cuba. I think you should stay in Canada.
 

Arod

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Sure buddy. US is a terrible place. Please don't go there. You will get shot for having high melanin and everyone is an animal. It's worse than Cuba. I think you should stay in Canada.
I'm not saying it's a terrible place, but it's not the land of honey and milk many around here think it is.

Not sure why some America fanboys take it so personal when someone tells the truth about their "promised land".
 

Impatient Dankaroo

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I'm not saying it's a terrible place, but it's not the land of honey and milk many around here think it is.

Not sure why some America fanboys take it so personal when someone tells the truth about their "promised land".
Nah, it's more so that I can't be bothered debating it. If you feel that way, great. Don't really care.