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The situation is a bit exaggerated. High score CEC folks have at least two routes - LMIA or PNP, and good for them that they are inland, so it would be easy to make some arrangements in this regard, especially if they're good as workers. As another option, they can leave Canada and continue to live in their home countries while having the opportunity to apply for the CEC stream for the next 3 years. The only issue is for lowball CEC's below 450, they should find a new job/PNP or leave with hopes that low score draws will resume (which probably won't happen anymore).
It's not exaggerated. LMIAs are difficult to get even as a skilled worker, it's a high bar to meet to show that no local can be hired for the job you're applying for, and it's an expensive and long process for the employer as well. PNPs are hit and miss, it's not a one size fits all option, the province needs to have a relevant stream for your occupation and profile.

It's easy for you to tell others they can just go back and apply later, but imagine if you had been living for years in a country, you're well settled and then you have to drop everything and leave to go back somewhere you may not want to live. It's easier said than done.
 
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It's not exaggerated. LMIAs are difficult to get even as a skilled worker, it's high bar to meet to show that no local can be hired for the job you're applying for, and it's an expensive and long process for the employer as well. PNPs are hit and miss, it's not a one size fits all option, the province needs to have a relevant stream for your occupation and profile.

It's easy for you to tell others they can just go back and apply later, but imagine if you had been living for years in a country, you're well settled and then you have to drop everything and leave to go back somewhere you may not want to live. It's easier said than done.
Yes, it won't be easy to extend the status, but there is no choice anymore because it's clear now that we won't see low score draws anymore. Most of them are on temporary status for up to two years, which means that at some point they may leave the country. I doubt that being on a just WP/SP you already cut ties with your home country and relocate completely. Even though if someone inland for years, they know that before the pandemic there was no chance for lowballs. Now everything is about to come back to normal and even more complicated, where if you are above 480 then you have a chance maybe in the second half of the year or in 2023
 

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is that a real case bruh? 21 days?
The guy is legit reporter for that small time internet/tv channel. You can hear him. The interview is in english. Can he lie? Not impossible but less likely.
 
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Told to wait 80 years for RCMP records, Ottawa researcher takes federal archives to court Social Sharing
After complaint to the information commissioner, archives sped up estimate — to 65 years
Ottawa consultant Michael Dagg is appealing to the Federal Court, asking a judge to order Library and Archives Canada to speed up his freedom of information request.

The federal institution originally quoted Dagg an 80-year turnaround time for his 2018 request. That meant the now 73-year-old wouldn't see his request fulfilled until at least his 150th birthday.

"I was shocked because, essentially, what they've done is tell me that my right to access doesn't really apply," he told CBC Radio's Day 6. "Essentially, they're using a bureaucratic ploy to deny me my right of access to important information."

Dagg requested documents related to the RCMP's Project Anecdote, an investigation into money laundering and public corruption that was launched in May 1993. "Project Anecdote was a major project," he said. "They spent 10 years researching it. We're entitled to get answers."

No charges were laid, and the Mountie files were turned over to government archives.

According to his lawyer Paul Champ, Library and Archives Canada "had no intention of actually giving the file to him," given little work has been done on Dagg's file since the initial 2018 request.

Dagg runs a small information business and is a frequent user of the Access to Information Act. He's previously challenged decisions made under the legislation, including a landmark case in 1997 that went to the Supreme Court of Canada.


Dagg requested information on the RCMP's Project Anecdote, a decade-long investigation that began in 1993. No charges were laid in the massive probe. (Ben Nelms/CBC)
"For many people who use Canada's access to information system, it is often a bad joke," said Champ, an Ottawa-based human rights and constitutional lawyer.

"This one is just so absurd, it's farcical." In a response to his 2018 application, Library and Archives Canada (LAC) told Dagg it required 29,200 days — which would see the files delivered in 2098 — to process a minimum of 780,000 document pages to review, in addition to audio and video recordings. It also said additional time to consult with various government agencies may be required.

Last March, the timeline was revised down to 65 years.

In his notice of application to the Federal Court filed last month, Dagg says LAC "has failed to establish any valid basis for the extraordinary extension of time" to his access to information request. Champ expects the case could be before a judge by the fall.

The federal Access to Information Act requires government institutions to respond to requests, either by providing records or a valid reason for an extension, within 30 days of receipt. Experts say that rule is routinely ignored.

In a statement, LAC told CBC Radio it could not comment on the case as it's before the courts.

Canada's FOI system plagued with issues
When it comes to the Dagg case, Mike Larsen, president of the B.C. Freedom of Information and Privacy Associaiton, says the slow response time points to the request's "attenuated information value."

Essentially, the information that Dagg has requested about Project Anecdote has far more value now than it will decades in the future.

"It's something of public interest, perhaps something that is relevant in the current context. It probably won't have the same value in 80 years, so a system that gets it to him in that timeframe is just broken," said Larsen, who is also co-chair of the criminology department at Kwantlen Polytechnic University in Surrey, B.C.

Federal Information Commissioner Caroline Maynard oversees complaints about federal access to information requests. Maynard found that a complaint made by Dagg was "well founded." (Government of Canada)
Larsen called Dagg's experience an egregious example of the hurdles that can arise when accessing public information that hurt public trust.

"It's not doing what it's intended to do. It's intended to provide timely and comprehensive access to information, public records, that are property of the public and held by public institutions," said Larsen

Canada's access to information (ATI) system has been plagued by delays and what experts say is increasing secrecy for years. There is also no upper limit on extensions, Larsen says.

The Treasury Board of Canada, which tracks performance standards for ATI requests across the federal government, found that just over 30 per cent of requests were "closed beyond [the] legislated timeline, including extensions" in the 2020-2021 fiscal year. That number is slightly down from 2019-2020, but up 11 percentage points compared to 2016-2017.

In 2016, the Liberal government eliminated processing fees for the time it takes to fulfil large requests, beyond the standard $5 application fee.
It should be seen as a citizenship right, and it allows for us to know something about the conduct of government that we wouldn't otherwise- Kevin Walby, researcher and University of Winnipeg professor
Before appealing to the Federal Court, Dagg filed a complaint with federal Information Commissioner Caroline Maynard in 2018.

In an October 2021 decision, Maynard determined LAC's request for an extension was unreasonable, and that Dagg's complaint was "well founded."

"LAC did not meet the requirements of a time extension … therefore, its time extension was invalid," wrote Maynard. "In the absence of a valid time extension, institutions are required to respond to an access request within 30 days, which LAC also failed to do."

Maynard's report provided two recommendations, including that LAC should complete processing of Dagg's request. LAC's chief librarian and archivist responded that completing the request is "simply not possible without severely impacting LAC's operations, and particularly its capacity to maintain equitable services in the fulfilling the requests of other Canadians."

Bad for democracy: professor
Part of the problem with the access to information system is a chronic lack of resources, says Kevin Walby, an associate professor in the department of criminal justice at University of Winnipeg.

"When I call an FOI office, and they just have one person working as a staff, or maybe two, but they're a giant unit, obviously they're not going to be able to keep up with everything," said Walby.

"More importantly — and more officially — a lot of FOI commissioners in their annual report have been flagging this as an issue for years."

Experts also say the act, which was introduced in 1983, has seen few updates that would ensure it keeps up with changes in technology.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau campaigned on improving the access to information system back in 2015. Former prime minister Stephen Harper did too. But beyond waiving large fees, little has changed since.

"Access to information laws look a lot different ... when people are going to start making requests about the actions of your government," said Champ.

A public consultation on the federal access to information system started in March 2021, and the Treasury Board released an interim report in December. Participants recommended the release of more information, proactive disclosure of documents and improvements to the system's capacity.

On its website, the Treasury Board lists a number of "key actions" taken by the government, including a $12.8 million commitment in the 2021 budget to improve access to information.

President of the Treasury Board Mona Fortier speaks during Question Period in December 2021. Fortier released an interim "What We Heard" report featuring recommendations to fix issues within Canada's federal access to information system last month. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)
"The government has committed to a full and complete review of access to information and will take the necessary time it needs to meet this commitment," said Treasury Board spokesperson Martin Potvin. "Next steps include engaging with Indigenous organizations and peoples, on which the government will also report publicly." A president's report to Parliament will be released in 2022, Potvin said.

Ultimately, the system's problems harm democracy, Walby says.

"It should be seen as a citizenship right, and it allows for us to know something about the conduct of government that we wouldn't otherwise," he told CBC Radio.

As problems with the system continue, Larsen believes the idea that Canadian governments lack transparency is becoming normalized.
 
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It's not exaggerated. LMIAs are difficult to get even as a skilled worker, it's high bar to meet to show that no local can be hired for the job you're applying for, and it's an expensive and long process for the employer as well. PNPs are hit and miss, it's not a one size fits all option, the province needs to have a relevant stream for your occupation and profile.

It's easy for you to tell others they can just go back and apply later, but imagine if you had been living for years in a country, you're well settled and then you have to drop everything and leave to go back somewhere you may not want to live. It's easier said than done.
I don't have any idea about you or what you went through but I know about me.Next week I am resigning my job because my visa expired ,I spent 5 years in US ,made a lot of friends but I have to leave no complaints, no regrets, no entitlement because it the law of the land.
What I meant by that is that is the law.If they have to leave they should.
There is no draws for last 1 year for fsw again that is the law of the land we can talk about being transparent but no one can tell you should conduct the draw

About backlogs that is a different story according to their website processing time is 6 months ,which means we planned our life accordingly now what they treat us as a joke.If they cancel the applications tomorrow again it is the law of the land.Noone is safe in this we are all in it together.

About being toxic, I am not going to argue with you about that ,obviously people are pissed off and frustrated. Like @dankboi said atleast I can talk about me I have never gone to any other thread and trolled anyone even here didn't do it but we have our CEC folks doing that.For what? I don't know so obviously people are pissed.
At the end of the day none of us make calls IRCC does what ever they feel like.people are just venting off nothing else.Just let it go.
 
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hello2020

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It's not exaggerated. LMIAs are difficult to get even as a skilled worker, it's high bar to meet to show that no local can be hired for the job you're applying for, and it's an expensive and long process for the employer as well. PNPs are hit and miss, it's not a one size fits all option, the province needs to have a relevant stream for your occupation and profile.

It's easy for you to tell others they can just go back and apply later, but imagine if you had been living for years in a country, you're well settled and then you have to drop everything and leave to go back somewhere you may not want to live. It's easier said than done.
Yes, it won't be easy to extend the status, but there is no choice because it's clear now that we won't see low score draws anymore. Most of them are on temporary status for up to two years, which means that at some point they may leave the country. I doubt that being on a just WP/SP you already cut ties with your home country and relocate completely. Even though if someone inland for years, they know that before the pandemic there was no chance for lowballs. Now everything is about to come back to normal and even more complicated, where if you are above 480 then you have a chance maybe in the second half of the year or in 2023
 

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The situation is a bit exaggerated. High score CEC folks have at least two routes - LMIA or PNP, and good for them that they are inland, so it would be easy to make some arrangements in this regard, especially if they're good as workers. As another option, they can leave Canada and continue to live in their home countries while having the opportunity to apply for the CEC stream for the next 3 years. The only issue is for lowball CEC's below 450, they should find a new job/PNP or leave with hopes that low score draws will resume (which probably won't happen anymore).
LMIA is not as easy as you think.
First of all it can take a long time, assuming non GSS LMIA.
Second it costs $$$, the point of employers hiring CECs over oversea skilled worker is that they were already on some sort of open work permit, mostly PGWP or some sort of work holiday or SOWP. Now if they require LMIA which is time consuming and costs 5-6k CAD, the employer might as well actually hire some more qualified person from oversea. Also, LMIA has a wage range which needs to be at least passing median wage. In contrast, students on PGWP they don't need to meet any wage requirement, thus they can be abused by getting paid really cheap.
 

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LOL! The Pure Blood FSW!
In the video, he mentions more than half a mil SP issued in 2021. If you consider the average time of a program to be around 3 years (avg. of all types of programs), and they stay on PGWP for 2 years. 500K * 5 = 2.5million people at any given year of students/pgwp in Canada = Equivalent 6.6% of the population lol. Crazy
 

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In the video, he mentions more than half a mil SP issued in 2021. If you consider the average time of a program to be around 3 years (avg. of all types of programs), and they stay on PGWP for 2 years. 500K * 5 = 2.5million people at any given year of students/pgwp in Canada = Equivalent 6.6% of the population lol. Crazy
the period between October 20 2021 and December 16 2021, over 150,000 study permit applications were submitted. which is comparatively lower considering pre pandemic. 2020 was shitty for Canadian schools since there wasn't much Intl study permit applications, Only using the inflated Intl tuition fees they can accommodate the Canadian students. Chances of going bankrupt was high, A school in Montreal scammed some intl students in the meantime leaving them no place to study and their visa becoming void
 
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I don't have any idea about you or what you went through but I know about me.Next week I am resigning my job because my visa expired ,I spent 5 years in US ,made a lot of friends but I have to leave no complaints, no regrets, no entitlement because it the law of the land.
What I meant by that is that is the law.If they have to leave they should.
There is no draws for last 1 year for fsw again that is the law of the land we can talk about being transparent but no one can tell you should conduct the draw

About backlogs that is a different story according to their website processing time is 6 months ,which means we planned our life accordingly now what they treat us as a joke.If they cancel the applications tomorrow again it is the law of the land.Noone is safe in this we are all in it together.

About being toxic, I am not going to argue with you about that ,obviously people are pissed off and frustrated. Like @dankboi said atleast I can talk about me I have never gone to any other thread and trolled anyone even here didn't do it but we have our CEC folks doing that.For what? I don't know so obviously people are pissed.
At the end of the day none of us make calls IRCC does what ever they feel like.people are just venting off nothing else.Just let it go.

Not trying for CPT? Go for that?
 
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I don't have any idea about you or what you went through but I know about me.Next week I am resigning my job because my visa expired ,I spent 5 years in US ,made a lot of friends but I have to leave no complaints, no regrets, no entitlement because it the law of the land.
What I meant by that is that is the law.If they have to leave they should.
100%. Similar story with me, I was there for 10 years. Additionally, if I knew that there was a sureshot pathway to go back and I'd only have to leave temporarily (like all potential CECs do for 3 whole years), I would have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER.

On top of that, people there can easily learn french in 6 months, and get LMIA exempt. And I got the french CLB7 while working a fulltime job and studying for a career change, so I'm going to ignore any 'but it is so difficult' excuses from people. This so called problem potential CECs waiting for draws have is a complete non-issue.

I feel absolutely no sympathy for potential CECs having to leave Canada temporarily. Boohoo you have a bit of a forced vacation and can come back after.