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Adrenalineforu

Hero Member
Mar 11, 2012
714
60
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
0211
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
31-May'13
Doc's Request.
Meds, RPRF and PPs
AOR Received.
01-Oct'13
Med's Request
03-Dec'13
Med's Done....
05-Dec'13
Passport Req..
03-Dec'13
VISA ISSUED...
04-Feb'14
LANDED..........
09-May'14
jigzyy said:
Birth Certificate is fatal when it comes to document completeness, as they have specifically requested for a Birth Certificate & not anything [though they have mentioned that they may consider request if they THINK is genuine, so I guess they did not considered Affidavit].
I included birth affidavits for myself and for my wife as well as our marriage affidavit. We never had any birth certificates since our birth and marriage was only 6 months old. So, I think my file's also gonna return.
 

Panam Singh

Star Member
Jun 25, 2013
58
2
Even i hv send affidavit, no birth certificate !!

Adrenalineforu said:
I included birth affidavits for myself and for my wife as well as our marriage affidavit. We never had any birth certificates since our birth and marriage was only 6 months old. So, I think my file's also gonna return.
 

fswpdxb

Star Member
Jun 25, 2013
194
4
Category........
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
2281
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
15-05-2014
AOR Received.
4-Sept-2014
Med's Request
22-Oct-2014
Med's Done....
4-Nov-2014 updated on Ecas
Interview........
PPR1 ,PCC,updated info chart,Sch A form-22-oct-2014.All doc reached 10th Nov-2014
Passport Req..
23rd feb-2014 & submitted on 25 Feb-2015
VISA ISSUED...
12 March-2015 and passports received.
LANDED..........
Alhamdulilah-Short landing(Calgary) in April-2015-returned back.All went Well.
hi jigzyy ,

i have submitted application for fswp-2013 with all documents along with my employer letter stating my date of joining
,and the department which am working for but unfortunately no job description. My employer doesnt provide one.
i have only included my CV.
Any idea will my application be rejected on this or will i be given an opportunity to submit later,then i will be in position to get a letter from my manager/colleague regarding job description.
on.Would it be wise to submit another application at this point of time.
would appreciate your advise for the same.
best regards
 

harry911

Star Member
May 27, 2013
174
31
NEW DELHI
Category........
Visa Office......
NEW DELHI
NOC Code......
2132
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
07-05-2014
Med's Request
08/09/2014
Med's Done....
16/09/2014
Passport Req..
22-12-14
VISA ISSUED...
01-01-15
LANDED..........
20-03-15 .... can't wait :)
Hi Everyone,

Just read that the Birth Certificates are absolute necessary.... is it true? I have included an notarized affidavit in place of the Birth Certificates for myself and my wife as we never had them.
Please share your comments...

Regards
 

rawdah

Champion Member
May 8, 2013
2,947
198
Category........
Visa Office......
LONDON
NOC Code......
2132
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
23-05-2013 PER Rec'd...: 07-08-2013
Doc's Request.
04-03-2014
Med's Request
23-09-2014
Med's Done....
24-09-2014
Passport Req..
PPR1:23-09-2014, PPR2: 20-10-2014
VISA ISSUED...
22-10-2014
LANDED..........
04-12-2014
Panam Singh said:
Even i hv send affidavit, no birth certificate !!
I sent Affidavit and secondary school certificate of my spouse in lieu of birth certificate.
There are cases who provided the above and already landed in canada.
 

harry911

Star Member
May 27, 2013
174
31
NEW DELHI
Category........
Visa Office......
NEW DELHI
NOC Code......
2132
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
07-05-2014
Med's Request
08/09/2014
Med's Done....
16/09/2014
Passport Req..
22-12-14
VISA ISSUED...
01-01-15
LANDED..........
20-03-15 .... can't wait :)
Dear Moderator,
Please update my missing info in the spreadsheet.

Visa Office: New Delhi
Self Calculated Points: 69
Spouse IELTS: No
Relatives in Canada: No
Job Offer: No
Degree: Bachelors in Mechanical Engineering
ECA Equv: Same
Experience: 10+
PCC: Yes
Fee: DD
Destination: Toronto

Cheers
 

Kalaideng

Star Member
Jun 28, 2013
160
11
Delhi
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
3142
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
03/07/2013
AOR Received.
01/10/2013
File Transfer...
01/11/2013
Med's Request
26/09/2015
Med's Done....
03/10/2015
Interview........
Ohh u got to be kidding me!!!
Adrenalineforu said:
I included birth affidavits for myself and for my wife as well as our marriage affidavit. We never had any birth certificates since our birth and marriage was only 6 months old. So, I think my file's also gonna return.
This is getting better by the day... every day reading this forum i find something new missing in my application... lol... but this time its "fatal" :D :D i didnt send the birth cert either. a lot of indians who are reading this would know that here the school leaving cert has our birth date mentioned on it since the original birth certificate must be submitted in the school at the time of admission... and at the time of leaving the certificate mentions the birth date too. the problem is that i didnt mention this in the covering letter... but another possiblity can be that the CIC officers know this already since they get a lot of Indian applications. Plus Most school leaving certificates in india are in English and Regiional language. So.... a new day and a new trouble!! ::) ::)
 

idima

Hero Member
Jun 5, 2013
423
52
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
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Adrenalineforu

Hero Member
Mar 11, 2012
714
60
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
0211
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
31-May'13
Doc's Request.
Meds, RPRF and PPs
AOR Received.
01-Oct'13
Med's Request
03-Dec'13
Med's Done....
05-Dec'13
Passport Req..
03-Dec'13
VISA ISSUED...
04-Feb'14
LANDED..........
09-May'14
@Kalaideng - I never knew (or realized) our Birth certs. are submitted to schools at the time of admissions but that seems logical to me now that you specifically mentioned. But how would I know that I actually submitted it coz I was just 4 during admission; 5 max. And yes Matriculation certificate mentions what would there be on a birth certificate. (but matric cert is not accepted outside India). Lets see what happens when our time comes.
 

Raj0078

Full Member
Jun 21, 2013
37
4
amar31282 said:
Hi Raj,

Do you mind sharing your info for the excel sheet

For calling CIC from outside Canada use number: 001-613-944-4000
Will do just give 4-5 mins im trying to look something up, thanx for the info
 

alta.province

Star Member
Nov 11, 2012
102
11
Category........
Visa Office......
Vienna
NOC Code......
2263
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
24 May 2013
Doc's Request.
11 Aug. 2014
AOR Received.
PER: Aug. 2013
IELTS Request
done
Med's Request
11 Aug. 2014
Med's Done....
Sept. 2014 / Oct. 2014
Interview........
RPRF request: Oct. 2014
Passport Req..
4th line on ECAS: 6 Jan. 2015
VISA ISSUED...
COPR - 16 Jan. 2015
LANDED..........
15 Feb 2015
pepto said:
Dear Idiot!

Really sorry to hear about your news :( :(. I guess no body thought before you gave the news that this is also a possibility of getting your file back. When there is a document in the file and still the CIO returns the application saying that it wasn't there. If someone had asked me my answer it would have been a big "YES".

Here are the reasons and please read it very patiently because it is going to be a long one.

I have already mentioned in my earlier posts that my case was rejected twice before my present attempt. On the first occasion my file was returned because visa officer could not find any document which would have established my relationship with my uncle. They were right in that case partially. The fact that I had not attached the birth certificate of my uncle and my father. I was claiming 5 point for adaptability because of my Uncle in Canada. But at that time there was nothing mentioned in the CIC checklist how to prove the relationship and I though that by attaching his PR card and all the bank and income tax papers were enough.

Anyways because it was rejected for such a small reason and because I filed the documents by my self that time I decided to use the services of a consultant next time.

The second time in 2012 I decided hired a consultant to help me with such finer details. This consultant had an association with one of the top immigration lawyer in Canada. I filed it under their umbrella thinking that no force can deny my PR this time. But guess what I was wrong. :-X :-X (By the way consultant did no good job)

As i told you I had filled the application in 2011 hence my IELTS score was still valid for two years and hence I used the copy of the IELTS with my application in 2012. My file was returned with all the papers saying that there was no IELTS copy attached with the file. I was so mad at CIC at that time and could not believe what has happened. I complained to my consultant and since the lawyer in Canada had lot of name I thought there would be some chance.

So the lawyer in Canada initiated communication with CIC office and finally got an answer from the CIC supervisor that they would have looked into case but the very fact that CIO sends back everything to the applicants once the file in incomplete and hence they have no record as to what was attached in the file at the time of submission. So they can do nothing in this case. I guess that I was so much angry at the situation and all the CIC.

But there was nothing that could be done because I had sent my file almost at the last end when the quota was about to end. The quota had finished by the time I got my papers back from CIO and then the FSW program was halted. Hence I have filled it now again.

Also, worth mentioning is that my uncle went to few lawyers in Toronto they all promised different things no body was sure though. The biggest problem with CIO is that they do not keep the copy of the documents if they return the file. Only when the file passes the completeness test it makes a copy for the visa officer to view the documents. Hence there was no evidence to refute the claim made by the CIO officer. If I am not wrong there is a case similar to that where even the judge had the same problem and because CIO officer holds the position of authority they had to take his wording as truth.

I know no words would be enough to you in this situation but the big question is what can we do?

Here are my suggestion:

1) Right away send an official mail protesting this decision and return of the file explaining every thing from your end. Once you receive a similar reply from CIO that my lawyer got go for some legal opinion. There may be 10% chance that they might have some more details about your file as opposed to mine because two years have passed since then.

2) Keep the file in the same shape as you received especially if there are any manual notings on the file by CIC officer.

3) Be hopeful but at the same time be prepared to take fast decisions. Legal action takes a lot of time and money and no one knows what would be the outcome. Its a lotto. If you win it will be a jackpot. The biggest hurdle being where is the evidence?

After my case, I had thought that this big hole in CIO processing should be filled because as an applicant we have no proof what we sent in the application package. I know some of us keep all the photocopies of the documents but that is just for our satisfaction not for the evidence of CIO. They wont consider that as an evidence.

Lets brain storm this and come out with some remedy to this action.

I wish you a very good luck in your effort to get justice. :( :(
Dear pepto,

thank you for sharing all this with us.

I feel sorry for Idoit.

I think that in this cases we can't do much because CIC officers don't scan the application, so if a certain document is lost than unfortunately it's hard to prove that it was inside the application.

Only thing we can do is to have our own satisfaction and confirmation that we personally didn't do a mistake.

I personally think it's a good thing to have a whole application package scanned, including pictures and envelope. I don't know if the date of scanned pdf file creation can do anything good in this case but it's good to have it anyway.
 

spkvarma

Newbie
Feb 28, 2013
6
0
Lot of Indians do not have Birth certificate, many born before early 1980's never had Birth certificate. For people born in Villages and some states, there was not a concept of Birth certificate till late 80's.

So for India, matriculation certificate or a passport is equally considered as proof for DOB. This is not only valid for Canada immigration, but for many other countries.
 

Kalaideng

Star Member
Jun 28, 2013
160
11
Delhi
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
3142
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
03/07/2013
AOR Received.
01/10/2013
File Transfer...
01/11/2013
Med's Request
26/09/2015
Med's Done....
03/10/2015
Interview........
Ohh u got to be kidding me!!!
Adrenalineforu said:
@ Kalaideng - I never knew (or realized) our Birth certs. are submitted to schools at the time of admissions but that seems logical to me now that you specifically mentioned. But how would I know that I actually submitted it coz I was just 4 during admission; 5 max. And yes Matriculation certificate mentions what would there be on a birth certificate. (but matric cert is not accepted outside India). Lets see what happens when our time comes.
Well i didnt know this either till my mum told me that my Birth Cert was submitted at my school. Plus i havnt read anywhere that matriculation certificate cannot be accepted as proof of Birth. my cousin used it for FSW last year and no problems... my only concern is whether the assesment officer would buy this or not that we dont have birth certificates here. i can show them 5 evidences with my birthdate (DL, Tax card, Passport, Leaving Cert, National Voters card and so on...) all from govt authorities. but then if somebody has to say NO... he/she will say NO!!
 

bahardor

Full Member
Jun 25, 2013
35
1
Category........
Visa Office......
Ankara
NOC Code......
2145
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
03-07-2013 CC.charged: 26-09-2013
Dear friends,
Don't scare yourselves. I'm not indian but you say not having birth certificates is common in India, So clearly It's ok, you are not the first indian applicants. And in lesmor's case maybe the reason of rejection was job experience.
Idoit's case was bad luck, it can happen to anyone.
But in pepto's case, I think both times ,his mistake. when you claim somebody is your relative surely you have to prove he is your relative! even if it is not mentioned in the checklist. It is common sense.
The second time if it is mentioned the original IELTS score( at that time it might not) you have to send the original one. That is not the officer's fault! ( Sorry bro)
Please relax. Most of us have better chance than Idiot.