Forced citizenship - ways to cancel/renounce

[Dejaavu]

I have met a few Ukrainians who have both Ukrainian and Canadian passports. I know it is not official or legal. They just do not show their Canadian passport.

I am not sure how strict it is in Ukraine to enforce the rules on dual citizenship ie. by stripping dual citizens of their Ukrainian citizenships.

In Kazakhstan it is very strict. The minute they find out, they will strip the Kazakh citizenship and deport to the other country. So people have no choice but decide either to keep Kazakh citizenship or give it up. There is no gray area.

 

[vermanaman]

I don't think a renunciation of a citizenship be Canadian/US etc will in any way affect visiting or applying for a citizenship of US/Canada etc in the future.

I know people who have renounced US citizenships and they travel to US no problem. They did it because of the tax issues such as having to report to IRS every year.
Also, there was Conrad Black? he gave up his Canadian citizenship and he came here after being in prison in the US. He is a British citizen. So I do not see renunciation of a citizenship as a red flag.

I din say renunciation. I said revoking or getting your citizenship cancelled by the government as the OP wants.

 

[vermanaman]

I have met a few Ukrainians who have both Ukrainian and Canadian passports. I know it is not official or legal. They just do not show their Canadian passport.

I am not sure how strict it is in Ukraine to enforce the rules on dual citizenship ie. by stripping dual citizens of their Ukrainian citizenships.

In Kazakhstan it is very strict. The minute they find out, they will strip the Kazakh citizenship and deport to the other country. So people have no choice but decide either to keep Kazakh citizenship or give it up. There is no gray area.

Same in India. However in india - we are eligible for a Lifelong visa - one time application - allows unlimited stay, work, owning property - everything except voting.

 

[Dejaavu]

I am not a lawyer but citizenship can only be revoked/canceled by the immigration authority of a country because of fraud, terrorism, joining other countries armed forces etc. A person can not revoke/cancel his or her own citizenship. A person can renounce it before the immigration officer or authority.

 

[vermanaman]

I am not a lawyer but citizenship can only be revoked/canceled by the immigration authority of a country because of fraud, terrorism, joining other countries armed forces etc. A person can not revoke/cancel his or her own citizenship. A person can renounce it before the immigration officer or authority.

haha thats exactly what we are trying to explain to the OP.

 

[Dejaavu]

Good. India is smart. I think India had to develop this rules because of a large Indian diaspora in the world. Ukraine and Kazakhstan are just newly independent countries, so the rules on dual citizenship etc are still evolving and are not clear cut.

 

[Dejaavu]

For example in Kazakhstan constitution it states that a citizen loses citizenship automatically when a citizen joins armed forces of another states, acquires another state's citizenship, had a fraudulent citizenship application for the Kazakh citizenship.

So when a citizen of Kazakhstan acquires Canadian citizenship he or she can go to Kazakhstan on a Kazakh passport but when they are leaving Kazakhstan, the customs/airlines will not let them board the airlines because Kazakh citizens require visas to Canada. So when they show their Canadian passport they get caught. Some people travel thru third countries that are visa free to Kazakh citizens such as Russia, Turkey, and Ukraine and they buy separate tickets to go to Canada/US.

I could do that same thing when I get the citizenship in Canada but I think it is not worth the stress. I will give up my citizenship and get a permanent residence in Kazakhstan (indefinite stay permit); Better to sleep well at night

 

[vermanaman]

I guess its similar in Ukraine and hence the OP wants a clear way for travel and other purposes.

 

[Dejaavu]

It is similar. Used to be the Soviet Union

It is just be to renounce of them. There is no middle ground

 

[on-hold]

The fact is, many people have mentioned that this is a law in Ukraine that is not enforced -- this is how things work in unstable countries, people know what they can and can't do, but something else is written down. The original poster is trying to follow the law; which suggests that he is more Canadian than Ukrainian . . . I lived in Thailand for many years, the books are filled with laws (including ones on dual citizenship very similar to what is being described here); and those laws have no bearing on what one can and cannot do; far more important is who you are, who your friends are, and how much money is in your bank account. One way to get in a lot of insoluble difficulties is to take the law at its face value.

 

[100questions]

I don't mind carrying both passports despite Ukrainian laws, but I need to renew the passport in the first place and that is an issue!

 

[PMM]

Hi

I don't think a renunciation of a citizenship be Canadian/US etc will in any way affect visiting or applying for a citizenship of US/Canada etc in the future.

I know people who have renounced US citizenships and they travel to US no problem. They did it because of the tax issues such as having to report to IRS every year.
Also, there was Conrad Black? he gave up his Canadian citizenship and he came here after being in prison in the US. He is a British citizen. So I do not see renunciation of a citizenship as a red flag.

1. Conrad Black is on a Temporary Resident Permit. Also he has a Canadian wife who didn't renounce her citizenship.

 

[Dejaavu]

I don't think he applied for Canadian citizenship. If he had applied, I do not think it would have been an issue.

As long as there is no heinous crime I do not see a problem giving up a citizenship and then reapplying in the future.

 

[100questions]

Ok, thanks to everyone who posted here! I found a solution.

The Ukrainian consulate will not give me a new passport BUT they can give me a paper saying I am a citizen and with that paper I can board an airplane. I will fly into Ukraine with that paper as a Ukranian citizen, then there I will show my birth certificate and with that I should be able to receive a Ukranian passport. Then I will go to Russia and fly back to Canada out of Russia, so that way Ukrainian border workers will not find out about my Canadian passport. And then I will be able to have 2 citizenships )))))

 

[farrous13]

Ok, thanks to everyone who posted here! I found a solution.

The Ukrainian consulate will not give me a new passport BUT they can give me a paper saying I am a citizen and with that paper I can board an airplane. I will fly into Ukraine with that paper as a Ukranian citizen, then there I will show my birth certificate and with that I should be able to receive a Ukranian passport. Then I will go to Russia and fly back to Canada out of Russia, so that way Ukrainian border workers will not find out about my Canadian passport. And then I will be able to have 2 citizenships )))))

Great. That sounds like a reasonable way to go around your issue