Forced citizenship - ways to cancel/renounce

[farrous13]

LOL did this actually happen? I am pretty sure OP or anyone cannot get a PR status in Canada with any connection unless he personally knows the Prime Minister or Minister of Immigration Affairs.
Or he is granted on Refugee or H&C grounds.

haha. You misunderstood me. I went to my country's consulate in Montreal. Usually the consulate sends requests to the home country to get it approved. They asked me if I know someone in my home country that can pay that guy to approve it no questions asked! I was surprised that even the consulate in Montreal is acknowledging such an illegal activity. Anyhow, in third world countries it happens all the time.

 

[vermanaman]

haha. You misunderstood me. I went to my country's consulate in Montreal. Usually the consulate sends requests to the home country to get it approved. They asked me if I know someone in my home country that can pay that guy to approve it no questions asked! I was surprised that even the consulate in Montreal is acknowledging such an illegal activity. Anyhow, in third world countries it happens all the time.

Ahh alright.. Yes i know ...i some how thought CIC in Montreal/

 

[eileenf]

So the regular process does not work b/c I have to live outside of Canada for that. That's why I cant regularly cancel, I need it revoked.

If your citizenship is revoked, you will have to leave Canada. Once you leave or are deported, it's very likely that you will have significant challenges reentering Canada for the rest of your natural life.

Also, as an interesting but largely irrelevant aside, Ukraine and Russia are technically Second World countries.
1st world=Aligned with US/UK/capitalist/democracies (more or less)
2nd world=Socialist, industrialist states under the influence of Soviet Union/China
3rd world=Unaligned/neutral/overlooked states

 

[100questions]

I do not think some people are hearing me on this forum. I have nothing against Canada, and that is why I do not want to renounce the citizenship the way it is outlined on the CIC website, b/c then I lose status in Canada. I want the citizenship to be taken away and get a PR status like I used to have. Again, according to the law I must enter Ukraine using Ukrainian identification. In regards to Russia, with Ukrainian passport i will be granted residence status within 2 months of application. I just need the Ukrainian passport to be able to LEGALLY cross the Ukrainian border. Whoever mentioned about the army is outdated b/c there is no more mandatory military service as if this year.
One thing is mentioned right here: Ukraine is unstable. That is why I want to enter the country legally. B/c I do not know how much bribe they are going to ask if they find out about the dual citizenship.
So, if I mention I was forced to receive citizenship are they going to give me back the PR card or are they going to deport me out of the country?

 

[PMM]

Hi

I do not think some people are hearing me on this forum. I have nothing against Canada, and that is why I do not want to renounce the citizenship the way it is outlined on the CIC website, b/c then I lose status in Canada. I want the citizenship to be taken away and get a PR status like I used to have. Again, according to the law I must enter Ukraine using Ukrainian identification. In regards to Russia, with Ukrainian passport i will be granted residence status within 2 months of application. I just need the Ukrainian passport to be able to LEGALLY cross the Ukrainian border. Whoever mentioned about the army is outdated b/c there is no more mandatory military service as if this year.
One thing is mentioned right here: Ukraine is unstable. That is why I want to enter the country legally. B/c I do not know how much bribe they are going to ask if they find out about the dual citizenship.
So, if I mention I was forced to receive citizenship are they going to give me back the PR card or are they going to deport me out of the country?

1. Look you don't have a choice, CIC is not going to pass any special laws for you.
2. To renounce Canadian citizen, you have to meet the criteria, that you are outside of Canada, you will receive another citizenship.
3. You can't "slide back" to become a Permanent Resident.
4. I somehow doubt that you would be able to prove that you were coerced into signing the Citizenship application.
5. Decide what you want, give up Canadian citizenship and obtain Ukrainian citizenship and live your life in the Ukraine.

 

[eileenf]

I do not think some people are hearing me on this forum. I have nothing against Canada, and that is why I do not want to renounce the citizenship the way it is outlined on the CIC website, b/c then I lose status in Canada. I want the citizenship to be taken away and get a PR status like I used to have.
So, if I mention I was forced to receive citizenship are they going to give me back the PR card or are they going to deport me out of the country?

I think most of here understand what you want. I think what most people are saying is that what you want is not a realistic option to the best of our crowd-sourced knowledge. My personal instinct is that, even if it is an option, it will likely cause problems for you in the future when entering Canada or maintaining PR status, just because your request would be so rare. It would probably raise red flags for CIC and CBSA. If you are serious about exploring possible legal remedies to your situation, you really need to speak with a qualified immigration lawyer because the consequences of your decisions are lifelong and likely irrevocable.

Just a note regarding working in Moscow if you were to be able to somehow revert to your PR status. You would likely forfeit your PR and your ability to return to Canada as a resident by not maintaining you PR residence obligation of 2 years out of every 5. Yes, getting a work visa is a hassle. Personally for me I have turned down overseas job opportunities because I have a US passport and it was too difficult to get a work visa in Ireland and EU as a US citizen (while it would have been far easier, for those countries, if I'd been a Cdn citizen). Borders are a pain. They have consequence and control people's options and decisions. Those are things you will have to weigh. From my perspective though, even if reverting to PR status were an option, it would likely cause more problems down the line than it would solve.

Good luck.

 

[Dejaavu]

How is it easier to get work visa with Cdn citizenship than US?

 

[farrous13]

Getting a work visa in Europe/Middle East/ Africa for Canadian or US citizens is not a hassle and is not hard to be honest. If you have an offer and the company is willing to wait for you to get the visa (or sponsor you) it's not hard AT ALL! Can you clarify Eileen? Why was it hard in your case?

 

[scylla]

I do not think some people are hearing me on this forum. I have nothing against Canada, and that is why I do not want to renounce the citizenship the way it is outlined on the CIC website, b/c then I lose status in Canada. I want the citizenship to be taken away and get a PR status like I used to have.

We understand 100%. We are telling you this is impossible. You either keep your Canadian citizenship - or renounce it and end up with no status in Canada. These are your options.

 

[eileenf]

How is it easier to get work visa with Cdn citizenship than US?

I should clarify that I understand that it's probably far easier to get a EU or Irish work permit as a US passport holder than the holder of many other passports.

I don't have time to dredge my way through the internets to reconstruct the research I did on this 6 and 7 years ago. At the time though, I opted to take a job offer in Toronto over a job offer in Ireland because the visa requirements for myself plus my partner were a challenge. My friend (Canadian) was also working in the same office in Ireland where I had the job offer. Her easy-peasy visa type was not available to me because I wasn't (and am not yet) Canadian. Perhaps it was a working holiday visa for up to 2 years and I could have converted later for a sponsored work permit? I don't remember. Just mean to say that visas can be a pain.

Also, while I was in grad school I had lots of classmates who worked on temporary, under 35, paid internship visas in the EU. Those options were not available to me at that point either.

 

[Dejaavu]

I think it is a open work visa under age of 30 between Australia, Canada, Ireland and UK. Otherwise, I don't see a difference between US and Canadian passport holders since they are both non EU countries to get preferences.

 

[Dejaavu]

Visas are a pain indeed. I have lived/worked/studied in four countries. I know the experience first hand....

It is also a pain if one's country of origin doesn't allow dual citizenship as is the case with Ukraine, Kazakhstan, India and among others.
For example, I am a Kazakh national and when I become Canadian citizen I will need to give up my Kazakh citizenship and I will need to get a visa to visit my home country....

 

[Dejaavu]

It is not an easy choice since in Kazakhstan and in Ukraine non-citizens can not own property. I am not sure what it is like in Ukraine but in Kazakhstan former citizens can not inherit property from say their citizen parents.

I made a choice to apply for Canadian citizenship after a long deliberation by weighing pros and cons. I could have gotten a US citizenship a long time ago since my spouse is American and I lived (studied, worked ) in the US for more than 8 years.

In my case, since I don't live in Kazakhstan and I go there only once a year, for me it is ok to get non citizen in Kazakhstan since I decided to live in North America with my family who are dual US and Canadian citizens. But for some people it makes sense to keep their citizenships because of their property, inheritance etc. There is no clear cut answer. It all depends on circumstances.

 

[vermanaman]

I do not think some people are hearing me on this forum. I have nothing against Canada, and that is why I do not want to renounce the citizenship the way it is outlined on the CIC website, b/c then I lose status in Canada. I want the citizenship to be taken away and get a PR status like I used to have. Again, according to the law I must enter Ukraine using Ukrainian identification. In regards to Russia, with Ukrainian passport i will be granted residence status within 2 months of application. I just need the Ukrainian passport to be able to LEGALLY cross the Ukrainian border. Whoever mentioned about the army is outdated b/c there is no more mandatory military service as if this year.
One thing is mentioned right here: Ukraine is unstable. That is why I want to enter the country legally. B/c I do not know how much bribe they are going to ask if they find out about the dual citizenship.
So, if I mention I was forced to receive citizenship are they going to give me back the PR card or are they going to deport me out of the country?

No one here is an immigration lawyer/officer to give you a fool proof plan to go ahead with. All we can do is advise you on the solution and the consequences which we have.

The way you say - "i want the citizenship taken away" sounds like you are still not getting the point here. When some ones citizenship or PR is taken away (forcefully as you want) - It is a BAD THING not a good thing - even if you want it to happen - this will stay in your immigration record - as mentioned you will have a hard time re-entering Canada and even USA (since they share immigration records espc citizen information). When you file for residency or visa in any country - there is a common question in application form - Have you been refused, entry, visa? and sometimes revoked immigration status? - You will have to mention about your canada ordeal here - causing even more problems.

PR status - if you are going to be out of country is of no use as you will lose it sooner or later.

In Ukraine - you cannot hide you are a dual citizen. My only suggestion here is contact Ukraine embassy and talk to them in detail and ask for your renewed Passport - If they agree that you are still Ukraine citizen. They will give you the passport. Then you can go ahead to Ukraine and your Russia Plans without any issues.

If the above doesnt work out after all attempts - you have to make a decision whether you want to give it up or no. Please do not mention that you were forced into citizenship, it might put your parents in trouble. If you do, and CIC accepts this - I doubt you will be given PR card. They will ask you to leave.

 

[Dejaavu]

I don't think a renunciation of a citizenship be Canadian/US etc will in any way affect visiting or applying for a citizenship of US/Canada etc in the future.

I know people who have renounced US citizenships and they travel to US no problem. They did it because of the tax issues such as having to report to IRS every year.
Also, there was Conrad Black? he gave up his Canadian citizenship and he came here after being in prison in the US. He is a British citizen. So I do not see renunciation of a citizenship as a red flag.