Federal Skilled Worker NOC 5254 Ski Instructor

[thekris]

Hi there,

I'm wondering if anyone can give me any information on applying for PR through express entry and the skilled workers program

I teach skiing on a full time basis (seasonally) and can see that the occupation is on the list as Class B NOC Code 5254.

Looking through the requirements it seems as though it would be impossible to reach the number of hours of work needed as it is only a seasonal position averaging maybe 20-25 hours and for around 4 months of the year.

I have been in Canada for the last 4 winters teaching full time (last 2 on an LMIA visa) and still have nowhere near the required hours.

I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this or if there are things which I may not know about yet that can in some way help towards a successful application being launched.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 

[scylla]

There's no way of getting around the number of hours. You need to have the equivalent of at least 1 year of full time work experience to apply.

What do you do the rest of the year? Maybe consider applying based on that occupation instead (assuming it qualifies).

 

[thekris]

I am working as an instructor full time, the issue is, not in Canada. I spend the winters up in Canada and the "summers" in the southern hemisphere in New Zealand.

I just find it odd that it can be listed on the FSWP but it is impossible to meet the criteria for it based off the position online.

 

[scylla]

It sounds like you don't fully understand the program requirements. FSWP doesn't require your experience to be in Canada. You can count work experience outside of Canada.

CEC (Canadian Experience Class) requires at least one year of full time work (or equivalent) in Canada.

 

[thekris]

Aha I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

The issue then is what is considered full time work? From my research it looks to be 30+ hours per week.

Because of the industry we work in hours are not guaranteed and depend on business volumes. For example some quiet weeks we can work about 15 hours p/w and on the busy weeks we can work 25 hours and at a push maybe 30 (due to the mountains only being open for 6 hours a day).......which I'm assuming wouldn't meet the criteria necessary. Seemingly making it pointless for the occupation to be on the skill list in the first place :-[

Thank you for your help by the way

 

[scylla]

You should read through the program requirements in detail if you are in fact serious about immigrating. So far your questions have been very basic and are all answered on the CIC web site. There's no short cut to research apart from hiring an immigration lawyer/consultant to do this work for you.

Your understanding of the full time work requirement is incorrect. Part time hours are counted. Here's how it works:

- Any week where you work 30 or more hours is counted as 1 full time week.
- For your part time weeks, you would need to add up all of the part time hours you have worked and then divide by 30 to determine the full time work equivalent.

 

[thekris]

Thanks, I'm just trying to get clarification on what I am already thinking more than anything.

One last question I promise...why does dividing by 30 give you the full time equivalent (This I haven't seen anywhere)

Thanks again

 

[scylla]

There are tons of references to the 30 hours all across the CIC web site. Here are two:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/definitions.asp?letterNum=6

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-who.asp

 

[thekris]

Yeah, I have seen that 30 hours per week is classed as full time, and that you can count your part time equivalent over a longer period of time.

Still unsure as to why you would divide your part time hours by 30 to give you the full time equivalent

 

[747-captain]

Yeah, I have seen that 30 hours per week is classed as full time, and that you can count your part time equivalent over a longer period of time.

Still unsure as to why you would divide your part time hours by 30 to give you the full time equivalent

You divide so that they can calculate your TOTAL equivalent amount of experience. That's the only way to do it.

For example if you have a TOTAL of 15 weeks experience with the hours mentioned below, and they're trying to determine what your total FULL TIME EQUIVALENT experience is, here is how they would calculate:

say you worked a total of 10 weeks @ 30hrs/week, 2 weeks @ 20 hrs/week and 3 weeks @ 10hrs/week

You have 10 FULL weeks. Now they need to see how many "part weeks" you have (where you DID NOT work the full amount).

So, for the 2 weeks @ 20 hrs/week it would be: 20/30 = (2/3)rds of a week = (0.67 week) times 2weeks = 1.34 weeks.

for the 3 weeks @ 10 hrs/week it would be: 10/30 = 0.33 week x 3 = 0.99 week (or approximately 1 week).

So, now you TOTAL equivalent experience is: 10 weeks + 1.34 weeks + 1 week = 12.34 weeks

Now, I'm not sure how they round up or down, but if it is done the typical way that is considered 12 FULL WEEKS of experience.

Hope that helps!

 

[thekris]

And you need 52 weeks to be classified as full time over 2 years if you are using equivalent part time experience?

That helps heaps. thank you very much

 

[747-captain]

And you need 52 weeks to be classified as full time over 2 years if you are using equivalent part time experience?

That helps heaps. thank you very much

That is not how it works. Actually "full time" is a misnomer. They are only concerned with full time equivalency. So you need to ignore words such as "full time", "part time" and so on. And so it follows that there is no such thing as "2 years" or "1 year" etc. Yes, they do use those terms, but what they mean by that is the "EQUIVALENT OF 1 year" etc.

So, in the example I demonstrated above, where we calculated your experience to be 12 weeks, you would just multiply that by 30 again to get 360 hours. If I'm not mistaken you need 1560 hours to have "1 years" worth of experience (should make sense: 52weeks x 30hrs/week).

It does not matter when, where, how, why, etc..... you accumulated those hours. Just that you did. If you have 3120 hours you have "2 years". If you have 2340 hours you have "2 and a half years" .....and so on. That being said, I do believe there is one simple exception, and that is all of those hours you count should have been accumulated within the last 10 years. It is as simple as that.

 

[thekris]

Thanks very much for the time and help!

Just to clarify......accumulating 1560 hours (in a part time role) over a period of say, three years, would be considered an adequate amount?

Thankyou again!

 

[747-captain]

Thanks very much for the time and help!

Just to clarify......accumulating 1560 hours (in a part time role) over a period of say, three years, would be considered an adequate amount?

Thankyou again!

Yes, that's 1 year of work.