Federal Skilled Worker Class Action Lawsuit

[ramyfathalla]

LOL
First of all, there's no such thing as "ignore mode" with this forum. But if you mean that they're CHOOSING to ignore me, they're not doing a very good job because all those people who claim to be "ignoring" me are all still replying to my posts. That's funny how that works, huh?

I've already expressed my sympathies in earlier posts. And if the lawsuit is somehow successful, it will be difficult for me to congratulate anybody because I honestly believe that Canada simply CAN NOT absorb another 280,000 people into the country when there's already around 10% of the population UNABLE to find work. It's completely insane for the Canadian government to just have an "open door" policy which says "Every year we will accept 280,000 people into the country - good economy, bad economy - doesn't matter - come to Canada!" That's a recipe for disaster, which is why they had to eliminate the applications of that large group.

Also, even IF the lawsuit is somehow successful, you can rest assured that CIC will file an appeal, which will mean another several years in the court system...so no matter how you look at it, the people who were in that pre-2008 group will not be entering Canada anytime soon. I'm sorry if you don't like it, and I'm sorry if you don't believe me, but that's reality.

Dear Tuyen no thanks to you, don't believe you and don't like your posts

you know why?

because you are with the injustice side and the unfair decision

if Canada as you say could not accept this number of immigrants so Canada should stop accepting new applications since 2008 until finished these people who have waited for so long. Don't let me waste my time and stuck in a long queue , take other people , promissed that your file will be processed concurrently with new files and say sorry after this long waiting.

The most realistic thing is Canada without new immigrants = nothing as all the reports show that Canada need a very high level of immigrants to be stable and to help the growth of country.

Be fair Dear tuyen.

 

[warmest]

Noon I see you have done your best to reply to his unfair opinion, but please do not waste your time and effort anymore,,,,even when he runs out of arguments , he will simply insult you to discontinue a discussion where he can not maintain his position anymore. As you see he is repeating the same claims over and over while his arguments have been exhausted at least 10 pages ago.
Best way is to ignore such posts,,,,they way the rest of us have been doing so far.

Well said. I just love it. ;D

The members of this thread should know that tuyen is neither a litigant nor an applicant. His ignorance (of even basic aspects of 'timeline', 'refund', 'processing workflow', etc.) reveals that. First I decided to totally ignore tuyen, but now I have decided to bring to all of your notice of some instances where tuyen lacks basic understanding and knowledge. In the days to come, I will be posting on those matters one by one as I don't have much spare time nowadays as I am caught up with urgent work place matters.

Some days ago Jason Kenney stated that the processing times have dropped dramatically after the elimination of the backlog.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/national/Just+time+immigration+system+imminent+lawyer/7555567/story.html?goback=.gde_2932885_member_186681778.gmp_2932885.gde_2932885_member_186682059

Today the processing times on the CIC have been finally updated, and guess what? there are even longer now!
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/perm/skilled-fed.asp

I wish if the "honorable" Jason Kenny will explain now how the wait times have dropped?

No explanations are required. The only thing required is a better understanding of the data on your part.

The backlog eliminated cases prior to February 2008. All applications filed between November 2008 to June 2010 have clearly been processed faster.

Look at the chart, and take the Vienna office as an example. The applications of pre-2008 had waiting times of 62 months. After June 2010, the application processing times have dropped to 13 months. I don't about you, but I would say that's a pretty dramatic drop in processing times. The office in Kiev went from 8 years of processing time down to just 1 year - even more of a dramatic drop than Vienna.

When I look at that chart, everything is crystal clear for me. Why isn't it clear for you?

No explanations are required.

Why? You have not at all understood anything properly about this issue of processing times. True, you may not require an explanation because it is only required for those (people like hopeful4) who have a doubt about the authenticity of the data. For an ignorant person like you, an explanation is not at all required.

The only thing required is a better understanding of the data on your part.

hopeful4 seems to have the right understanding of the data and it is only you who seems to lack it.

The backlog eliminated cases prior to February 2008.

If the backlog is eliminated then how come the processing time of those cases is on the rise? Why is the processing time data of those eliminated backlog shown in the chart? If the backlog is eliminated, then what is the need to show the processing time data for those cases? It is ridiculous.

All applications filed between November 2008 to June 2010 have clearly been processed faster.

How do you know? Where is the data for it? With the data that is available from the given link you cannot say so. You have only one set of temporal data and how can you make a comparison over time (such as 2008 and 2010)?

Look at the chart, and take the Vienna office as an example.

Okay, let us do so.

The applications of pre-2008 had waiting times of 62 months.

True

After June 2010, the application processing times have dropped to 13 months.

Are you mentally alright? You are comparing apples with oranges. You are comparing the data in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th columns of the chart. The data in the second column is that of the pre-Feb 2008 applications (Pre-C50 Backlog), the data in the third column is that of the MI-1 applications backlog and the data in the fourth column is that of the MI-2 and MI-3 applications backlog. They all are entirely different sets of applications received over an entirely different period of time. If you want to find out whether there is a drop or rise in the processing time of a particular application set, then you will need atleast two temporal data sets. With just one set of temporal data you cannot say whether there is a drop or rise in processing times.

The chart that is available from the above given link is just one set of temporal data collected on a particular day by CIC. With that just one set of temporal data you are comparing between columns and saying that there is drastic drop in processing times. It is nonsense. We (hopeful4 and other members of this thread) have been following almost all of the updates of CIC when it comes to our processing timelines. Since we have been closely following, we know the timelines are steadily rising and not drastically dropping.

I don't about you, but I would say that's a pretty dramatic drop in processing times. The office in Kiev went from 8 years of processing time down to just 1 year - even more of a dramatic drop than Vienna.

Regarding Kyiv visa office, again you are committing the same blunder of comparing apples with oranges. I know for sure you are a literate, but my doubt is whether are you educated? Seeing your level of ignorance, I don't think you might be educated.

When I look at that chart, everything is crystal clear for me. Why isn't it clear for you?

You first don't know how to look at the chart and in spite of that you are claiming that the chart is crystal clear to you. It is now crystal clear to us (the members of this thread) that you are under great illusion. Drink a big barrel of reality before you point your finger towards others.

 

[tuyen]

Even if Lawsuit successed, CIC can't appeal as justic barnes has cancelled that request. his decesion will be final.

I love how people from OUTSIDE of Canada think they know Canadian law. :

There's no such thing as "his decision is final" in this country. That judge is not a king. We're not living under his dictatorship. In Canada, EVERYTHING can be appealed - all the way up to the Supreme Court, and lawyers for CIC will be ready to file that appeal within minutes of a decision being made, should it become necessary. But I'm not the least bit concerned about that, because this lawsuit will go nowhere. Canada's immigration laws will not be dictated by people trying to get into the country.

 

[tuyen]

You are comparing apples with oranges.

No, I'm not. I'm comparing APPLICATION PROCESSING TIMES from the past to the present.

Oh and before you try to insult me about my intelligence or my education, you might want to learn how to properly quote a simple message in a simple web forum. Educated, indeed. :

You are comparing the data in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th columns of the chart. The data in the second column is that of the pre-Feb 2008 applications (Pre-C50 Backlog), the data in the third column is that of the MI-1 applications backlog and the data in the fourth column is that of the MI-2 and MI-3 applications backlog. They all are entirely different sets of applications received over an entirely different period of time.

There's an expression here that you might not be familiar with. It goes like this: "No sh*t, Sherlock".

I'm well aware that they're DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. Obviously they're from different groups because the first group is now completely eliminated. Duh.

The point I was making is that it USED to take 8 years to process applications for people who wanted to come to Canada from Ukraine. Today, those same people who want to come from Ukraine will get their applications processed in 1 year. Same country. Same visa office. Used to be 8 years, now it's 1 year.

I thought even an "educated" person such as yourself would be able to understand a simple concept like that.

If you want to find out whether there is a drop or rise in the processing time of a particular application set, then you will need atleast two temporal data sets. With just one set of temporal data you cannot say whether there is a drop or rise in processing times.

I'm not interested in comparing ONE group from one time period to another time period. I'm interested in comparing the processing times of an entire VISA OFFICE, which is much more relevant. Applications coming from Cairo used to take 84 months. Now, any new people who apply ALSO FROM CAIRO will have their applications processed in just 14 months. You don't think that matters? Go and ask people who are being processed at the Cairo visa office, and I bet they will tell you that they are MUCH HAPPIER now that they can get into Canada in 14 months rather than 84 months. That is precisely the reason why Jason Kenney made the statement that processing times have come down DRAMATICALLY, because it's obvious to everyone with a kindergarten education that 14 months is much less than 84 months.

Educated, indeed. :

 

[tuyen]

because you are with the injustice side and the unfair decision

You can call it "injustice" or you can call it "unfair". Doesn't matter. I call it what it really is: a sane immigration policy which is LONG OVERDUE. They should've done it many years ago, but it's better late than never.

if Canada as you say could not accept this number of immigrants so Canada should stop accepting new applications since 2008 until finished these people who have waited for so long. Don't let me waste my time and
stuck in a long queue , take other people , promissed that your file will be processed concurrently with new files and say sorry after this long waiting.

Please show me a document that you received from CIC which PROMISED you that they will process your application no matter what - even if Canada's economy collapses, or if the world explodes.

The most realistic thing is Canada without new immigrants = nothing as all the reports show that Canada need a very high level of immigrants to be stable and to help the growth of country.

I think I'm in a far better position to know what Canada needs and what it doesn't. I've been living here for more than 30 years, and I can tell you that right now, in today's economy, Canada does NOT NEED new immigrants because 10% of its own citizens are unable to find work. What you've been hearing about how Canada NEEDS high levels of immigration is nothing but liberal propaganda designed to completely change the Canadian landscape so that in 50 years Canada will become a completely unrecognizable country. The same thing has been happening for the last 20 years in the UK, Germany, France, and Australia. Go and ask citizens from those countries how happy they are with the "success" of their immigration policies for the last two decades and ask them how much they "need" high levels of immigration.

 

[Gaber1]

Mr Tyune If you donot have knowledge then why you are arguing unnecessarily. Cic have very clearily stated in their updation letters ,they are ready to process files.

 

[tuyen]

Mr Tyune If you donot have knowledge then why you are arguing unnecessarily.

First of all, it's "tuyen", not "tyune" :

Second, what are you babbling about? What is it that you feel I don't have knowledge about? If you want to accuse me of not knowing what I'm saying, use the QUOTE feature to highlight what exactly you're referring to.

Cic have very clearily stated in their updation letters ,they are ready to process files.

Sorry, I don't know anything about this "updation letters" you speak of. Feel free to show me a link to what you're referring to, and I'd be happy to look at it.

 

[noon]

Hi Tuyen,
I have only one personal question for you.Please spend time to answer this..

You clearly opined that Canada cannot accept huge numbers of immigrants. If you are sticking to this opinion, you should not be overjoyed with decrease in processing times of post 2008 cases. You like to accept post 2008 cases even if how huge the number of cases are, but you are against processing of pre 2008 cases even if they applied much before post 2008 applicants dream about Canada.

Why this double standard? If you are against immigrants you should be against immigration totally. I have become doubtful whether you are some one appointed by the minister to spy this forum

 

[tuyen]

Hi Tuyen,
I have only one personal question for you.Please spend time to answer this..

You clearly opined that Canada cannot accept huge numbers of immigrants. If you are sticking to this opinion, you should not be overjoyed with decrease in processing times of post 2008 cases. You like to accept post 2008 cases even if how huge the number of cases are, but you are against processing of pre 2008 cases even if they applied much before post 2008 applicants dream about Canada.

I never said I was overjoyed or under-joyed about anything regarding processing times. What I said was that for people who are AFFECTED by it, I'm sure that THEY will be happy with the lower processing times.

I'm not AGAINST people who applied prior to 2008. I don't care if they applied in 1995 or 2005 or will apply in 2015. My problem is not with a specific group of people, but with the fact that Canada's economy is in a bad state right now, so my position is that worker visas should be drastically reduced to ONLY those people where a company specifically offers somebody a position from overseas because that company was unable to find anybody in Canada to fill that position. If Canada was bringing in ONLY the exact number of people as are needed to fill jobs, then I would be completely fine with that. But to bring in 280,000 people EVERY YEAR - whether they are needed or not - is completely insane.

I have become doubtful whether you are some one appointed by the minister to spy this forum

I'm glad the paranoia has FINALLY started. I was wondering why it was taking so long for somebody to accuse me of being an evil spy for the Canadian government. I thought for sure that those accusations would've started at least 3 or 4 days ago...and I'm really disappointed that it took this long.

 

[hopeful4]

I really wish if everyone will stop this nonesense discussion and turn the ignore button once more on! The man, though an immigrant himself, is clearly against immigration in general not only the pre 2008 immigrants. Our attempts to convince him with the fairness of our cause will all go in vain,,,,I know this type of persons who stick to one and single view because they simply think it is useful for their positions in life regardless of its morality. So please stop and let us invest our efforts in a more fruitful discussion specially now that we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Gaber1]

I have one such letter , mr tyuen.

 

[tuyen]

I have one such letter , mr tyuen.

Scan it and post it please.

 

[tuyen]

I really wish if everyone will stop this nonesense discussion and turn the ignore button once more on! The man, though an immigrant himself, is clearly against immigration in general not only the pre 2008 immigrants.

I'm not against immigration. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you refuse to READ and understand my actual position because you think I'm just pure evil due to my views. But if you actually wanted to know what I'm against, READ my words. I've stated my opinion several times, and I never changed my story. I'm against bringing in hundreds of thousands of people EVERY YEAR, even when the economy cannot absorb them.

Our attempts to convince him with the fairness of our cause will all go in vain,,,

Fairness? So if Canada - just like EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD - wants to have a SANE immigration policy, then that automatically means it's "unfair", right? :

I know this type of persons who stick to one and single view because they simply think it is useful for their positions in life regardless of its morality. So please stop and let us invest our efforts in a more fruitful discussion specially now that we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

You know what that light is that you're seeing? It's an oncoming train. You're about to slam right into it when your lawsuit blows up, just as I had predicted that it would.

P.S. Did you enjoy that article about people lining up in the rain for part-time jobs? I couldn't help but notice that you were VERY quiet after that, and of course I never received an apology for being called a liar, but that's okay...I didn't really expect one because that would require somebody with character.

 

[zolter]

First of all, it's "tuyen", not "tyune" :

Second, what are you babbling about? What is it that you feel I don't have knowledge about? If you want to accuse me of not knowing what I'm saying, use the QUOTE feature to highlight what exactly you're referring to.

Sorry, I don't know anything about this "updation letters" you speak of. Feel free to show me a link to what you're referring to, and I'd be happy to look at it.

I really don't have problem with your view points. As a matter of fact, it was my post that you started commenting on first on this thread.

But what I am worried about is your language towards others, I really don't believe certain words of your are suitable in such a forum as this. From your posts I assume you have lived in Canada for thirty years and you own a business, so, you should be a respected man.

I rest my case.

 

[noon]

Many immigrants who landed Canada use the country for their economic benefits only. What happens to the country in the long run is not a matter of concern for them. These immigrants create a need for more immigrants who supports Canada in a much better way.Immigrants are needed for canada more for maintaining the demographic balance of the country than for running businesses or as a work force.