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[CNP]

Emmm...guys? My tracker is finally working! ( https://ircc-tracker-suivi.apps.cic.gc.ca/en/login )
Maybe it has something to do with us completing our biometrics today?

However....We have just noticed that our tracker says :"Application type: Provincial Nominee Program"

I decided to check my ITA out of curiosity and apparently it states "Based on the information you provided us in your Express Entry profile, we are pleased to invite you to apply for permanent residence under the Provincial Nominee Program"

Does it mean we were not selected for the FSW stream when we received our ITA on January 23 ?

I don't fully understand if it is good or bad time wise.... A little concerning because I thought we were in the FSW ,on the other hand, we did received our PNP from Ontario back on Jan 11,2024 after they picked us from the Express Entry pool so it kinda makes sense.

Jan 23 was General (all programs) draw, includes FSW, PNP, CEC, FST

General

Number of invitations issued: 1,040Footnote*

Rank required to be invited to apply: 1,040 or above

Date and time of round: January 23, 2024 at 16:08:03 UTC

CRS score of lowest-ranked candidate invited: 543

Tie-breaking rule: January 21, 2024 at 07:43:47 UTC

If more than one candidate has the lowest score, the cut-off is based on the date and time they submitted their Express Entry profiles.

Footnotes
Footnote 1
Invitations to apply to the Federal Skilled Worker Program, Canadian Experience Class, Federal Skilled Trades Program and Provincial Nominee Program may be issued through this round of invitations.

Also, I dont think PNP-FSW is any category, you can either be PNP or FSW ! and since you were nominated by Ontario, you are definitely a PNP applicant. Good Luck !

 

[rogerdude1]

Jan 23 was General (all programs) draw, includes FSW, PNP, CEC, FST

General

Number of invitations issued: 1,040Footnote*

Rank required to be invited to apply: 1,040 or above

Date and time of round: January 23, 2024 at 16:08:03 UTC

CRS score of lowest-ranked candidate invited: 543

Tie-breaking rule: January 21, 2024 at 07:43:47 UTC

If more than one candidate has the lowest score, the cut-off is based on the date and time they submitted their Express Entry profiles.

Footnotes
Footnote 1
Invitations to apply to the Federal Skilled Worker Program, Canadian Experience Class, Federal Skilled Trades Program and Provincial Nominee Program may be issued through this round of invitations.

Also, I dont think PNP-FSW is any category, you can either be PNP or FSW ! and since you were nominated by Ontario, you are definitely a PNP applicant. Good Luck !

Lets take OINP HCP as an example https://www.ontario.ca/page/ontarios-express-entry-human-capital-priorities-stream , read Stream Requirements -> 1. Work experience -> CEC/FSW. You need to be eligible for either CEC or FSW in order to get PNP. So if you became eligible through FSW stream, and you are outland, it makes you PNP+FSW-O. While it is true that he isn't invited straight up under FSW in that draw, but the basis of PNP is that FSW.
Similarly, I am a CEC candidate (no foreign work experience, only Canadian), so I am PNP+CEC-I.

 

[CNP]

Lets take OINP HCP as an example https://www.ontario.ca/page/ontarios-express-entry-human-capital-priorities-stream , read Stream Requirements -> 1. Work experience -> CEC/FSW. You need to be eligible for either CEC or FSW in order to get PNP. So if you became eligible through FSW stream, and you are outland, it makes you PNP+FSW-O. While it is true that he isn't invited straight up under FSW in that draw, but the basis of PNP is that FSW.
Similarly, I am a CEC candidate (no foreign work experience, only Canadian), so I am PNP+CEC-I.

OINP HCP is EE linked PNP, so you have to have a valid EE profile. Now if you look at EE, it has FSW , CEC and FST, so obvious that you have to be qualified under FSW or CEC (seems FST doesn't qualify for OINP HCP), The moment you are nominated, you become PNP applicant.

Also, you can only be invited under one program FSW, CEC, FST or PNP in EE. your file, is in no way, processed as both FSW and PNP.

 

[rogerdude1]

your file, is in no way, processed as both FSW and PNP.

Then for those who are FSW->PNP, why does IRCC ask for all the documents again, like foreign work experience, proof of funds (for which a CEC is exempt), etc. Just look at the PNP certificate and issue PR straight away right? LOL.
Time to end this discussion:
When I say someone is 'PNP FSW-O' doesn't mean it has a definition in IRPA. It simply is a way of abbreviating that you are a PNP candidate who has qualified through FSW stream and is an outland applicant.

 

[CNP]

Then for those who are FSW->PNP, why does IRCC ask for all the documents again, like foreign work experience, proof of funds (for which a CEC is exempt), etc. Just look at the PNP certificate and issue PR straight away right? LOL.
Time to end this discussion:
When I say someone is 'PNP FSW-O' doesn't mean it has a definition in IRPA. It simply is a way of abbreviating that you are a PNP candidate who has qualified through FSW stream and is an outland applicant.

You need to check EE (same way you pointed out to OINP HCP) - you have to be eligible under FSW, CEC or FST - https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/works.html

Again this is obvious for IRCC to check under which program you were eligible under and claimed points for, at first place, PNP is an additional check on top of this basic check.

So sorry you can't get PR "straight away" just by looking at PNP certificate , doesnt make sense -right

True, lets agree to disagree. You are anyways free to make any acrnomys as you want, invent as many definitions as you want and abbreviate as you like. best luck !

 

[rogerdude1]

@CNP this was long back and forth, anyways my point was quoting what you said 'you can either be PNP or FSW' and 'your file, is in no way, processed as both FSW and PNP', it is wrong, with all due respect.

I think you may be confused about the EE draws, yes they conclude draws separately for each stream, but the order of assessment of a PNP is given by IRCC on the official website, link below and quote from website too:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/permanent-residence/express-entry/provincial-nominee-program.html

Evaluating PNP applicants on A11.2
It is possible that a candidate may appear to meet the program requirements of more than one federal immigration program. When this occurs, the processing office must only determine that the applicant meets one of the federal programs for which they have been tagged. Once the applicant is determined to have met one of the federal immigration programs there is no need for further assessment of the others.
Processing offices should assess PNP applicants for federal programs in the following order:

• CEC
• FSTP
• FSWP

Should the applicant fail to meet the first program considered, the processing office should consider the other programs to which the applicant has been tagged in turn until the applicant either meets one program or all possible tagged programs have been considered.
If it is determined that the applicant does not meet any of the tagged federal immigration programs, the application should be refused on A11.2. Misrepresentation should also be considered, as appropriate.

As it says "When this occurs, the processing office must only determine that the applicant meets one of the federal programs for which they have been tagged " , see tagged, it means you are never just PNP, it is always TAGGED with either CEC or FSW (I or O is just a way of showing inland or outland for us at canadavisa.com). So yes PNP-FSW is a category (not in EE draws but while processing your PNP application) .


Hope this settles it. Lets keep this thread clean for Feb AOR updates.

Also, I dont think PNP-FSW is any category, you can either be PNP or FSW ! and since you were nominated by Ontario, you are definitely a PNP applicant. Good Luck !

Also, you can only be invited under one program FSW, CEC, FST or PNP in EE. your file, is in no way, processed as both FSW and PNP.

 

[shubham3582]

@rogerdude1 @CNP Is there different processing times for CEC and other categories, in my opinion - CEC suppose to be the fastest. To be precise CEC + PNP should process faster than other categories.

 

[rogerdude1]

@rogerdude1 @CNP Is there different processing times for CEC and other categories, in my opinion - CEC suppose to be the fastest. To be precise CEC + PNP should process faster than other categories.

Yes. CEC+PNP is faster than CEC in my observation.

My class mate, CEC-I, got COPR after 5 months in CEC, card pending - his case was straight forward, single applicant, one job, 1 yr Canadian work exp.

Whereas my other friend who is PNP-CEC-I got PR card 3.5-4 months after AOR - his case was a bit longer, wife and 2 kids, 1 yr Canadian work exp.

 

[shubham3582]

@rogerdude1 few of my colleagues got the COPR in 2 months time last year (AOR in Jan 2023 and received COPR in March 2023), another one AOR May 2023 and received COPR in July 2023. Both are in CEC category only.
PNP+CEC also took same time for another friend (AOR July 2023 and COPR Sep 2023).
Last year processing time was 4 months for CEC, currently it's 5 months as per IRCC.

 

[CNP]

@CNP this was long back and forth, anyways my point was quoting what you said 'you can either be PNP or FSW' and 'your file, is in no way, processed as both FSW and PNP', it is wrong, with all due respect.

I think you may be confused about the EE draws, yes they conclude draws separately for each stream, but the order of assessment of a PNP is given by IRCC on the official website, link below and quote from website too:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/permanent-residence/express-entry/provincial-nominee-program.html

Evaluating PNP applicants on A11.2
It is possible that a candidate may appear to meet the program requirements of more than one federal immigration program. When this occurs, the processing office must only determine that the applicant meets one of the federal programs for which they have been tagged. Once the applicant is determined to have met one of the federal immigration programs there is no need for further assessment of the others.
Processing offices should assess PNP applicants for federal programs in the following order:

• CEC
• FSTP
• FSWP

Should the applicant fail to meet the first program considered, the processing office should consider the other programs to which the applicant has been tagged in turn until the applicant either meets one program or all possible tagged programs have been considered.
If it is determined that the applicant does not meet any of the tagged federal immigration programs, the application should be refused on A11.2. Misrepresentation should also be considered, as appropriate.

As it says "When this occurs, the processing office must only determine that the applicant meets one of the federal programs for which they have been tagged " , see tagged, it means you are never just PNP, it is always TAGGED with either CEC or FSW (I or O is just a way of showing inland or outland for us at canadavisa.com). So yes PNP-FSW is a category (not in EE draws but while processing your PNP application) .


Hope this settles it. Lets keep this thread clean for Feb AOR updates.

Oh boy, I thought we parted already with some disagreements . By the way, I am not at all confused on EE draws ( not an expert, but understand a fair bit of it)

Back to basics,

1. EE system has just FSW, CEC and FST (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/works.html) - does IRCC classify anything as FSW-O, CEC-I ? NO Never

2. Similarly, it there any mention of PNP-FSW, PNP-CEC etc that IRCC mentions in - EE draw? NO, ITA letter? NO, Processing times ? NO or for that matter anywhere on their official communications? NO

3. Does it mean you receive PR just by looking at PNP certificate ? ( you wanted it ) - NOT either (howsoever you wish for, not going to happen) - it is very very obvious, you will be be assessed for you basic EE qualification criteria - FSW, CEC or FST, which I already mentioned and your post confirms.

Where I am worried about is -
1. For all sake, there are only FSW, CEC, FST and PNP categories. Sure you are open to as much anxiety as you want by classifying yourself as PNP-CEC-Inland-Ontario-GTA-Mississauga-Pearson Airport ....... LOL. Personally for me that adds to more complications and anxiety. You get ITA and processed under "official" categories and not invented by us. You see people then get over worried analyzing what category they fall under, how fast slow their applications will progress etc etc. You have processing times for each of these and lets stick to it. easy, isnt it?

2. When I say PNP is processed as PNP doesnt mean you are waived off basic qualifying criteria. Province is not going to do what IRCC needs to do. BUT you dont look it as being "PNP-FSW" as a category.

 

[CNP]

@rogerdude1 @CNP Is there different processing times for CEC and other categories, in my opinion - CEC suppose to be the fastest. To be precise CEC + PNP should process faster than other categories.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/check-processing-times.html

There is CEC and there is PNP, unfortunately nothing like CEC+PNP. Choice is yours.

 

[shubham3582]

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/check-processing-times.html

There is CEC and there is PNP, unfortunately nothing like CEC+PNP. Choice is yours.

Okay, for me, it's CEC and no updates yet. I think we are just trying to understand the reasoning about how IRCC process the PR applications.

 

[CanadianSnowBird]

Guys ...We got our medicals done today and we were told the results would be ready in the afternoon at the latest ,however it's 5:10 pm and nothing ,is it possible that the results haven't been processed or something?
It still says :"

• We have requested a medical exam. Check your messages below for details."

 

[CanadianSnowBird]

Update: Medical exam - passed
Thank God I was getting a little worried but to be honest you guys here made the wait much easier, thank you!

 

[YVR0601]

Hi all, creating this thread for Feb AOR. My application details are in the signature.

any update on your application?