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[Fencesitter]

What if the sponsor was on welfare assistance when he/she was a minor (say around 15-16 years old)? Does that have any bearing on whether or not he/she will be approved as a sponsor?

FS

 

[KJG]

What if the sponsor was on welfare assistance when he/she was a minor (say around 15-16 years old)? Does that have any bearing on whether or not he/she will be approved as a sponsor?

FS

I don't beleive so FS....it is your current situation with respect to welfare....so if your latest Option C printout shows not goverment assistance (welfare) then you should be good.....

 

[Galip]

What if the sponsor was on welfare assistance when he/she was a minor (say around 15-16 years old)? Does that have any bearing on whether or not he/she will be approved as a sponsor?

FS

I don't think that this should be a problem. But if sponsor still receives welfare he/she will not be approved by CIC.

 

[BCgirl2012]

In the first stage I believe they more focus on the sponsor's requirements, like if the sponsor applied an immigration loan and didn't pay it back, declaring bankruptcy, criminality, previous sponsorships, gov't asistance, welfare, previous marriages, child support payments, court orders etc. If the sponsor meets their requirements then they send the file to sponsored person's visa office. Checking the marriage license should be done by the VO abroad. This is my personal opinion only, not a fact.

I agree with Galip. In the first stage they will focus on the sponsor's eligibility. They have a list of essential documents for opening the case. I believe the marriage certificate isn't one of the documents that prevents opening a case (like those instances that they return the whole file). I suspect they will assess the sponsor and the VO will ask for the missing documents when they receive the file.

 

[Fencesitter]

The thing is, I didn't submit an Option C because I have been living outside of Canada since 2001. I submitted my Chinese tax assessment (notarized), a letter from my current employer, statements of earnings and benefits for 2010 and 2011, and pay stubs for my current contract year. Aside from that, there is nothing from Canada I have submitted, so how will they know that I haven't been receiving welfare?? I mean, I can prove (by way of visa, housing contract, employment contract, etc) that I haven't been living in Canada...is that enough?

Thanks,
FS

 

[KJG]

The thing is, I didn't submit an Option C because I have been living outside of Canada since 2001. I submitted my Chinese tax assessment (notarized), a letter from my current employer, statements of earnings and benefits for 2010 and 2011, and pay stubs for my current contract year. Aside from that, there is nothing from Canada I have submitted, so how will they know that I haven't been receiving welfare?? I mean, I can prove (by way of visa, housing contract, employment contract, etc) that I haven't been living in Canada...is that enough?

Thanks,
FS

FS....I think you should be okay because if one doesn't submit an option c they have to submit a whole other lists of documents...and since you have not been in Canada you can't.....sounds like you covered everything.....

 

[Galip]

The thing is, I didn't submit an Option C because I have been living outside of Canada since 2001. I submitted my Chinese tax assessment (notarized), a letter from my current employer, statements of earnings and benefits for 2010 and 2011, and pay stubs for my current contract year. Aside from that, there is nothing from Canada I have submitted, so how will they know that I haven't been receiving welfare?? I mean, I can prove (by way of visa, housing contract, employment contract, etc) that I haven't been living in Canada...is that enough?

Thanks,
FS

They do a background check for you. If you applied for welfare in Canada hundred percent they will find it. Immigration and Revenue Offices work together. Also they don't ask you to submit your police certificates in Canada. If you have a criminal background, they will find it right away. But if you have done something out of Canada they may not find it right away, this may be searched by the VIsa Office in abroad in the second stage.

I read this on another forum. A sponsor person was approved by CPC-M, but his wife's Visa Office found that he was arrested in another country. The sponsor's approval was rejected in the second stage.

 

[canadiangirl78]

I didn't submit an Option C or tax documents from the US and I got approved.

I see what you are saying about the marriage license. I hope you are right so chickie can finally get approval!

 

[ThunderSoul]

I think the guy is telling a little white lie........human error happens and someone made a mistake...telling you it has never happened before is not the brightest idea this man has had..........having said that if you are known all over CIC maybe that will speed things up for them to get this corrected

Thanks.
I actually asked him if he ever heard of something like this ever happening before. He said no, never. He sounded genuine, there was shock in his voice all the way through our convo.

I faxed stuff today. $60. To New Delhi mission fax (supposed to be immigration fax, but that one was broken; who would have guessed? the most important fax is broken, now I wonder if they'll even see/check mission fax because that's a total different department), Manila fax, and Mississauga fax. Hmm...

I didn't send a cover page, just my e-mail (printed as a letter), I wonder if they'll look at it even if the first page starts with "This letter is to inform you of some misshap" or something like that... I don't know if I should have made a cover page with a "subject line" and title, etc... :\

 

[chickie72]

I don't mean to be Debbie Downer but how can you get approved without a marriage license in your application? I don't think it's possible. Maybe there is something I don't know.

I am not waiting for approval. I am not stupid they can't approve without proof of marriage but I am waiting for some acknowledgement and a uci number so I can send it in??????? Their first clue might be the fifty some odd photos of my wedding tho u think

 

[chickie72]

yes...but you will probably get an aor and/or a letter stating the information is missing so at least you know your file has been opened/received.....and you will have a UCI number and once you submit the missing information your file will be worked on again...

Thank you kjg!

 

[chickie72]

In the first stage I believe they more focus on the sponsor's requirements, like if the sponsor applied an immigration loan and didn't pay it back, declaring bankruptcy, criminality, previous sponsorships, gov't asistance, welfare, previous marriages, child support payments, court orders etc. If the sponsor meets their requirements then they send the file to sponsored person's visa office. Checking the marriage license should be done by the VO abroad. This is my personal opinion only, not a fact.

Thank you galip

 

[Fencesitter]

They do a background check for you. If you applied for welfare in Canada hundred percent they will find it. Immigration and Revenue Offices work together. Also they don't ask you to submit your police certificates in Canada. If you have a criminal background, they will find it right away. But if you have done something out of Canada they may not find it right away, this may be searched by the VIsa Office in abroad in the second stage.

I read this on another forum. A sponsor person was approved by CPC-M, but his wife's Visa Office found that he was arrested in another country. The sponsor's approval was rejected in the second stage.

I was a minor at the time (15-16) and was only on welfare for a couple of months. Would this really cause a problem? Isn't it true that they are only looking to see if I am currently on government assistance? As for criminality, I had a couple problems when I was a minor (again, 15-16), but nothing serious...no jail time or anything like that...as for committing crimes in China or other countries, no, I have never had any trouble...and I am an upstanding citizen...

Edit: Just to confirm, IMM1344 doesn't ask if you have 'ever' been in receipt of government assistance...it asks if you are currently in receipt of assistance, so I think those couple of months (20 years ago) won't be a problem...same is true for the criminality...as it was theft and nothing serious...I was never found guilty (good lawyer!).

No, CIC and CRA do not work together at all...the privacy act forbids this...

FS

 

[BCgirl2012]

I was a minor at the time (15-16) and was only on welfare for a couple of months. Would this really cause a problem? Isn't it true that they are only looking to see if I am currently on government assistance? As for criminality, I had a couple problems when I was a minor (again, 15-16), but nothing serious...no jail time or anything like that...as for committing crimes in China or other countries, no, I have never had any trouble...and I am an upstanding citizen...

Edit: Just to confirm, IMM1344 doesn't ask if you have 'ever' been in receipt of government assistance...it asks if you are currently in receipt of assistance, so I think those couple of months (20 years ago) won't be a problem...same is true for the criminality...as it was theft and nothing serious...I was never found guilty (good lawyer!).

No, CIC and CRA do not work together at all...the privacy act forbids this...

FS

I don't think CRA and CIC have access to each other's data. That's why we need to prove we are not on welfare (e.g. Option C for people who have lived in Canada in the previous year.)

As for welfare, I think they don't want the sponsor to be on welfare now. But come to think of it, if some one is on welfare, providing Option C from the previous year, wouldn't reflect it. So I am not sure how CIC will handle this.

For criminality, they have time limits, and also categories. As far as I understand, there is a difference between the graveness of the offences.

 

[frege]

I was a minor at the time (15-16) and was only on welfare for a couple of months. Would this really cause a problem? Isn't it true that they are only looking to see if I am currently on government assistance? As for criminality, I had a couple problems when I was a minor (again, 15-16), but nothing serious...no jail time or anything like that...as for committing crimes in China or other countries, no, I have never had any trouble...and I am an upstanding citizen...

Edit: Just to confirm, IMM1344 doesn't ask if you have 'ever' been in receipt of government assistance...it asks if you are currently in receipt of assistance, so I think those couple of months (20 years ago) won't be a problem...same is true for the criminality...as it was theft and nothing serious...I was never found guilty (good lawyer!).

No, CIC and CRA do not work together at all...the privacy act forbids this...

FS

Hi Fencesitter,

The only way that will matter is if they take it as an indication that "adequate arrangements" haven't been made for the sponsored person to be supported financially in Canada. This is based on section 39 of the IRPA.

They look at whether the applicant is employable in Canada (e.g., past employment history, language proficiency), and if not, whether the sponsor can be expected to be able to support them. Usually the government hits people with this when they've been on welfare for a long time and then get off it just long enough to be eligible to sponsor, or are on welfare because of a disability. There are some appeal decisions on this issue, one of which mentions that the "low-income cutoff" is relevant. Unlike parental sponsorships where they only look at the sponsor and co-signer's income, in this case all sources of income - applicant (expected future income), sponsor, help from other family members, etc. - would be taken into account.

Basically you want the visa office to believe your family will meet the LICO for a family that size. I think this is the main reason they ask for all the financial information even though it doesn't theoretically affect sponsorship eligibility. Since I'm applying in Quebec, I didn't have to submit an Option C, but I did have to list my employers for the last five years and my salary.

For a little more information, go to page 8 of Chapter 1 of the following guide:

http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/eng/brdcom/references/legjur/iadsai/appl/Pages/index.aspx

Also, you can find information in old IAD appeal decisions, which can be searched here:

http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/Eng/tribunal/decisions/Pages/index.aspx