extra points to international students. When it will happen? any guess

[Alexios07]

Sorry official stats does not prove it.

Did you even read the Source and view the screenshot ?

• International education services serving these long-term students contributed to 70,240 jobs in the labour market. This represents about 5.7% of the total number of jobs in the overall education services sector in Canada.
  
• Those international students in short-term language training programs in Canada were estimated to have contributed an additional $788 million per year in total spending to the Canadian economy. This is equivalent to about $455 million in GDP, 10,780 jobs, and $48 million in government revenue.

http://www.international.gc.ca/education/report-rapport/economic-impact-economique/index.aspx?lang=eng

Also, unfortunately, there is a limit of how many International students may get PR. Something around 12 000 yearly? Other have to leave. And yes, do not forget those with PGWP take jobs from Canadians. That's why only 12 000 get PR.

Now, you are just repeating facts. Canadians are not immortal gods. Some of they need to retire at some point and then dead. So they constantly need young and educated workers to work and pay taxes.

 

[pfse]

Do those int't students working in Starbucks ever qualified enough to get an ITAs in Express Entry or you are making it up?

Yes, they do.

Are you sure? have you tested your hypothesis yet? if not please test it HERE:

And please take a look at my calculation:

Did you read my post correctly? Let's compare it again:
Candidate 1: Bachelor, Age: 25, 2 years of Canadian experience: 469 CRS points.
Candidate 2: Bachelor, Age: 25, 2 years of International experience: 416 CRS points.

Therefore, if Canadian degrees are treated the same as foreign degrees, then who would want to come here and study? they will go to some cheaper developed countries instead, like Singapore for example.

Canadian goverment never stated that it will offer Permanent Residence in exchange to money paid by International Students. As International Student if you came to Canada not to gain education but rather to gain PR status, you must be aware that it might be a risky step and not encouraged and/or promized by the goverment.

 

[Regina]

http://www.international.gc.ca/education/report-rapport/economic-impact-economique/index.aspx?lang=eng

it is just an estimate. The reality is different. There is no stable increase or decrease in new jobs in Canada. If rely on estimate there should be at least 81000 new jobs openings EVERY YEAR ONLY because of existence of international students.

Besides, to replace retirees Canada accepts 250 000+ immigrants every year, however, only 12 000 of them are students. For some reason Canada does not stop any other streams of immigration just for issuing PR to 336 000 of international students.

Yes, they do.

Only managers not just clerks.

 

[Alexios07]

Canadian goverment never stated that it will offer Permanent Residence in exchange to money paid by International Students. As International Student if you came to Canada not to gain education but rather to gain PR status, you must be aware that it might be a risky step and not encouraged and/or promized by the goverment.

And everyone knows that. They just want to "advertise" that if you come here to study then graduate with good grades and land a good job, you will have a chance to apply and become a PR. I guess you and other people can argue with me as much as you want, but I'm not the one that make the decision to award more points to int'l students. It's the Canadian government who wants to do that, and I'm pretty sure they do know what are they doing as they have all the numbers, facts, statistics and recommendations they need.

p/s: whenever you state something please provide a reliable source to back that up.

it is just an estimate. The reality is different. There is no stable increase or decrease in new jobs in Canada. If rely on estimate there should be at least 81000 new jobs openings EVERY YEAR ONLY because of existence of international students.

I actually have no comment for this. There's a saying in my field, "no technical solution for user error".

 

[pfse]

And everyone knows that. They just want to "advertise" that if you come here to study then graduate with good grades and land a good job, you will have a chance to apply and become a PR. I guess you and other people can argue with me as much as you want, but I'm not the one that make the decision to award more points to int'l students. It's the Canadian government who wants to do that, and I'm pretty sure they do know what are they doing as they have all the numbers, facts, statistics and recommendations they need.

p/s: whenever you state something please provide a reliable source to back that up.

I wonder what the goverment is going to do for internatioanl students. There is a lot of talk around but the bill C-6 (that liberals still strugle to pass) doesn't mention international students at all.

 

[Regina]

It's the Canadian government who wants to do that, and I'm pretty sure they do know what are they doing.

Well, it makes sense. I only hope they would increase the number of PR issued to CEC applicants. And if you consider that family members are also included into those 12000 the picture is pretty bleak.

 

[pfse]

p/s: whenever you state something please provide a reliable source to back that up.

Well, the source is your study permit which states that you must leave at the end of your authorized stay.

 

[Elrud]

Well, the source is your study permit which states that you must leave at the end of your authorized stay.

As an international student I totally Agreed; those who are already employed in Canada already get additional points under Adaptability factor, in addition, the CRS already award more points for Canadian Work Experience than Foreign Work Experience; also those already in Canada already qualifies for Provincial Nominees; No one cares about good grades, you just have to be awarded your qualification;Getting a permanent job already gives you additional points and makes you qualify for PR; nothing is new as to what Alexios07 mentioned;

Alexios07 what do you want more; You just have to meet other criteria; Being already in Canada does not mean you are better than overseas;

Any source: Why is the French stream still open?; Why points are awarded for foreign work experience?; etc...

 

[Sluffy]

I simply pointed out that it's easier to verify a Canadian degree / Canadian work exp than those foreign ones. It also makes sense in economic point of view that taking inland applicants with qualified degree and qualified jobs will guarantee a better outcome than outland counterparts.

Again and again
If the WES service exists, it means it works.
If the IELTS exists, it is equal for everyone. Even if you are from the UK.
Or do you think that foreign degree is from a junky college somewhere deep-deep in Chinese village (don't want to offend anyone, sorry)? Top European or American universities are foreign for Canada.

Do those int't students working in Starbucks ever qualified enough to get an ITAs in Express Entry or you are making it up?

In the past thread you said that foreign gas station cashiers are qualified enough to meet other points for EE ;D

And about money contribution.

Intl.students paid for education in Canada6 and they got it - education. That what they actually pay for.
And foreigners are asked to bring money (see LICO).

The thing is that in 3-4 years after landing outland immigrants and former intl.students will be almost in equal conditions and social positions, depending on their skills and abilities, of course.
And - surprise! - all of them are going to pay taxes.

 

[LokiJr01]

What's the argument for? Hehe

 

[aircanada]

The thing is that in 3-4 years after landing outland immigrants and former intl.students will be almost in equal conditions and social positions, depending on their skills and abilities, of course.

In practical terms that is absolutely not true. Unless you work in a specialized profession with specific skillset (e.g. IT) employers do look for education from schools that they know and trust. If you're an employer and you have two resumes in front of you, you'll naturally be more comfortable going with the candidate with a degree from McGill. Not so much with the candidate from the University of Nowhere at Somewhere-I've-never-heard-before-exists.

Not having Canadian education is a barrier and there's no point in denying it.

 

[Alexios07]

Again and again
If the WES service exists, it means it works.
If the IELTS exists, it is equal for everyone. Even if you are from the UK.
Or do you think that foreign degree is from a junky college somewhere deep-deep in Chinese village (don't want to offend anyone, sorry)? Top European or American universities are foreign for Canada.

Read my recent post, IRCC wants to award more points for Canadian degree as an "incentive" to attract more int'l students here.

In the past thread you said that foreign gas station cashiers are qualified enough to meet other points for EE ;D

I did not. I said that it's immoral and a crime to work as a cashier at a gas station then ask your friend/cousin/relative for document to prove that you are a Senior Accountant.

And about money contribution.

Intl.students paid for education in Canada6 and they got it - education. That what they actually pay for.
And foreigners are asked to bring money (see LICO).

The thing is that in 3-4 years after landing outland immigrants and former intl.students will be almost in equal conditions and social positions, depending on their skills and abilities, of course.
And - surprise! - all of them are going to pay taxes.

That's true. Int'l students come here to study, not to immigrate, but it's a good thing to know that you can apply for PR after you graduate if you can find a good job.

Again, you can keep denying and saying that outland applicants are contributing as much as int'l students, I cannot reason someone out out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.

But at the end, the Canadian Government and IRCC are on my side, and they acknowledge the importance of int'l students. That's why they are trying to make changes.

 

[Elrud]

Let's be realistic here. The purpose of immigration is to gather the best talents for the benefit of Canada's economy. The CRS, while it could use some improvement, allows the government to choose the most economical individuals based on the combination of factors namely age, language capability, job offer, adaptability, and skills.

You could spend millions of dollars to study in Canada but if your skills are not what the country needs...well you what happens next. someone who has never been to canada might end up having a better chance of getting a visa because of his credentials.

It's ok to vent out but it's not ok to downplay other candidate's chances simply because other people have the money to study in Canada

I believe that's no longer the point with the Liberals as there is no occupation list under the Express Entry; A recent critic revealed that too much in-demand (what is in shortage) was recruited; The Minister does not want that to happen now as they intend to recruit even those skills are not required at this moment because it will be required in the long term;

So this means that a Canadian qualification in any field will be a passport to PR as additional points will be awarded and anyone is eligible to apply;

That's it; it is what the government want, not me.

 

[Sluffy]

In practical terms that is absolutely not true. Unless you work in a specialized profession with specific skillset (e.g. IT) employers do look for education from schools that they know and trust. If you're an employer and you have two resumes in front of you, you'll naturally be more comfortable going with the candidate with a degree from McGill. Not so much with the candidate from the University of Nowhere at Somewhere-I've-never-heard-before-exists.

Not having Canadian education is a barrier and there's no point in denying it.

Noone prevents the newcomers to get additional Canadian education. 1-2 years of postgraduate diploma after their Master's makes them competitive. Add previous real experience and here you go.
One can say it needs more time, but yes, if you spend so much time on your education, you are more valuable.

 

[Elrud]

For all the respect,

Logically, based on this thread title, it was created in order for only those in the international students in Canada category to participate and not meant for those not in this category to meddle and be impolite;

Again no offence;

After all, people can say and do whatever they like; it is the Minister who decides, haha