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extra points to international students. When it will happen? any guess

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Here we go again..

I remember last time this topic was discussed it went nowhere but just nasty comments and people got upset (and outraged). I believe the previous thread is locked now..

Keep it cool guys..
 
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even John McCallum admits international students are the best source of immigrants. So this is happening just not in the near future.
Maybe you're right. when i see the bill c-6 (favoring international students on citizenship) process, they had to discuss abt C-6 in Citizenship and Immigration committee ( //openparliament.ca/committees/activities/5349/ ) then presenting that study to parliament.

I don't see any committee on Express entry yet, but they been talking about express entry in other committees like TFWP ( //openparliament.ca/committees/activities/5398/ ).

If minister wants to review or make changes express entry, does he really need to present those to committee before implementing?
 

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Let's be realistic here. The purpose of immigration is to gather the best talents for the benefit of Canada's economy. The CRS, while it could use some improvement, allows the government to choose the most economical individuals based on the combination of factors namely age, language capability, job offer, adaptability, and skills.

You could spend millions of dollars to study in Canada but if your skills are not what the country needs...well you what happens next. someone who has never been to canada might end up having a better chance of getting a visa because of his credentials.

It's ok to vent out but it's not ok to downplay other candidate's chances simply because other people have the money to study in Canada :)
Agree 100%. I don't mean to downplay all international students (I was international student byself) but someone, who did some junky course in some junky colledge and then worked one year in Starbucks is not really better for Canada then some internationl professional with many years of proffesional experience. Let's compare apples to apples - take two persons with identical education and identical experience with only one difference - first person gained education/experience in Canada, the second one - overseas. For sure the first one will get more CRS points for his Canadian education/experience. So it's wrong to say that Canadian graduates dosn't have any advantage over candidates from overseas.
 

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Hansdza said:
Here we go again..

I remember last time this topic was discussed it went nowhere but just nasty comments and people got upset (and outraged). I believe the previous thread is locked now..

Keep it cool guys..
As myself in the international student category, I'm trying to be realistic as people are exaggerating and asking too much, especially those claiming points for work experience not related to their profession and the Minister has been aware about the issue of students engaged in low skilled jobs and this affect our credibility as international student;

The video proved that McCallum was nice enough to accept awarding extra points to international students as it is true that you will have more prospect of better economically settle with Canadian education than some with foreign education;

As previous draws showed that those outland are being selected because of their high competitive score, the Minister decide to award extra points because they want to keep the best source of immigrants (International Students) by making them more competitive over those with no Canadian education. That's true, foreign work experience won't help in Canada.
 

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Recent reports revealed the abuse about college students;

Express entry is not related to the bill for credit given for citizenship but is instead based on Ministerial Instruc..... and the CRS points criteria can be changed without difficulty. The Minister can change it at any time, should there be a will on their part;

The issue is why it has not been implemented yet; May be they will wait on Canada Day; Please note that it is only speculation and it might take longer.
 

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pfse said:
Agree 100%. I don't mean to downplay all international students (I was international student byself) but someone, who did some junky course in some junky colledge and then worked one year in Starbucks is not really better for Canada then some internationl professional with many years of proffesional experience. Let's compare apples to apples - take two persons with identical education and identical experience with only one difference - first person gained education/experience in Canada, the second one - overseas. For sure the first one will get more CRS points for his Canadian education/experience. So it's wrong to say that Canadian graduates dosn't have any advantage over candidates from overseas.
+1!
(Used to be an international student myself.)
 

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Elrud said:
Studying or working in Canada does not guarantee PR as there is a condition on your TRV and permit that you should leave Canada by its expiry date and it is assumed you agreed to it once you land in Canada; no one had forced you to work and pay taxes in Canada and it is you who made that choice;

As you say for the advantages, you get points, considering your Adaptability in Canada, etc... but if you score less on other factors, then of course your CRS might be less than someone outside Canada; CIC need people whose skills is in need in Canada: it is clear why now the French stream remains open?

On the basis of language, everyone is equitably assessed as anyone around the world need to take the same test, tailored for immigration: someone outside Canada should take the same exam and might score higher than someone inland; so I believe it makes sense when they select outland;

I agree CIC is trying to be fair and equal to everyone around the world and generous enough to give points under Adaptability factor for inland applicants; now if you don't meet the criteria, it's not their fault;
Where did in my comment saying that studying in Canada will guarantee a PR? where did it say someone force me or other inland applicants to stay here and pay taxes? can you point it out? you guys keep using the straw man fallacy in your arguments to defeat other people's logic.

In your previous comment you said that IRCC prefers inland applicants to outland ones. I simply pointed out that it's easier to verify a Canadian degree / Canadian work exp than those foreign ones. It also makes sense in economic point of view that taking inland applicants with qualified degree and qualified jobs will guarantee a better outcome than outland counterparts.

pfse said:
Agree 100%. I don't mean to downplay all international students (I was international student byself) but someone, who did some junky course in some junky colledge and then worked one year in Starbucks is not really better for Canada then some internationl professional with many years of proffesional experience.
Do those int't students working in Starbucks ever qualified enough to get an ITAs in Express Entry or you are making it up?



pfse said:
Let's compare apples to apples - take two persons with identical education and identical experience with only one difference - first person gained education/experience in Canada, the second one - overseas. For sure the first one will get more CRS points for his Canadian education/experience. So it's wrong to say that Canadian graduates dosn't have any advantage over candidates from overseas.
Are you sure? have you tested your hypothesis yet? if not please test it HERE:

And please take a look at my calculation:

Alexios07 said:
Right now, it absolutely makes no sense at all that for both applicants with same age, same degree (bachelor) and same ielts scores (max scores), but:

  • One with 2 years Canadian work exp only has 469 points
while
  • One with 1 year Canadian work exp and 1 year foreign work xp has 482
 

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Another factor that makes IRCC wants to give more points to Canadian degree because they want to attract more int'l students to come to Canada and spend money here to boost Canadian economy. As of 2014, Canada has around 336,000 int'l students. Do you know how much they spend to help boosting Canadian economy? it's more than $7.7 BILLION dollars (Source), and create over 81,000 local jobs for Canadian. That's more than 7% of Canada's GDP



Therefore, if Canadian degrees are treated the same as foreign degrees, then who would want to come here and study? they will go to some cheaper developed countries instead, like Singapore for example.

And this is the recommendation directly from Global Affairs Canada (Department of Foreign Affairs)

 

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Alexios07 said:
Another factor that makes IRCC wants to give more points to Canadian degree because they want to attract more int'l students to come to Canada and spend money here to boost Canadian economy. As of 2014, Canada has around 336,000 int'l students. Do you know how much they spend to help boosting Canadian economy? it's more than $7.7 BILLION dollars (Source), and create over 81,000 local jobs for Canadian. That's more than 7% of Canada's GDP

Therefore, if Canadian degrees are treated the same as foreign degrees, then who would want to come here and study? they will go to some cheaper developed countries instead, like Singapore for example.
Good points.
 

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How come? PGWP does not allow to open a business. And nobody creates jobs for a reason to hire international students.
It means injection of the money creates jobs. International students buy food, transit services, health services, and of course educational services.
 

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Regina said:
How come? PGWP does not allow to open a business. And nobody creates jobs for a reason to hire international students.
Local jobs, don't you see that every college and uni in Canada always have an International Student center? then homestay program, dorms and ESL programs etc.

Again, all my comments above are not to prove that anyone here who have studied in Canada will be guaranteed a ticket to EE becasue that would be absurd. I just want to point out that it makes perfectly sense for IRCC to award more points toward Canadian degrees and Canadian work exp.
 

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International students buy food, transit services, health services, and of course educational services.
81,000 local jobs for Canadian.
Sorry official stats does not prove it.

International Student center
Do they open a new one every year? or it was created 5-10 years ago and has been working since then? :)

Also, unfortunately, there is a limit of how many International students may get PR. Something around 12 000 yearly? Others have to leave. And yes, do not forget those with PGWP take jobs from Canadians. :) That's why only 12 000 of 336 000 will get PR.