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Express Entry in a nutshell

Budi

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Thanks for the prompt response Raj and sorry about the mix up regarding who set up the forum. There was one question on my list that you didn't answer

5. Finally, do I get back the hard copies of the documents I initially sent for my PNP application?

Thanks again.
 

rajkamalmohanram

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Apr 29, 2015
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Budi said:
Thanks for the prompt response Raj and sorry about the mix up regarding who set up the forum. There was one question on my list that you didn't answer

5. Finally, do I get back the hard copies of the documents I initially sent for my PNP application?

Thanks again.
Oops. I missed that.

No, you will not get the documents back!
 

alvirahuda

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May 13, 2015
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rajkamalmohanram said:
Please send all your roles and responsibilities AND your designation to noc@workingincanada.gc.ca and they'll reply back with the most appropriate NOC.

Since you have 3 years of experience in your current job, it gives you the maximum CRS points for work. So, you can leave your other jobs out of the work experience section and retain them only in the personal history section in your post-ITA profile. In your EE profile too, mentioning your current job will suffice.

If you want to claim points for your previous job (in the past 10 years) alone, then that's fine too. Whatever has been said above applies here too.
Dear I am really amazed to see your knowledge on this are and supporting attitudes.

I am actually confused ..please help me out, hope you will be able to give answer

I worked for a multinational bank from 2010-2014 -4 years and now working with a finance company, however I asked for my JD and they gave me JD which doesnt fits to my chosen NOC.As a multinatunal they have prescribed format of General JD and they wont go beyond that.

But I went through NOC 6235 which seems similar with my responsibilities , can you please suggest can any of my colleagues declare in letterhead for the same so that in future if any verification occurs they can contact with him?

Or what should I do?

Another question I went through 6235 ,there its mentioned that Licence of Mutual finance,etc may be required as an employment requirement. Will it effect my PR application?

As I will also be applying in pnp PROGRAMS.

But I am really confused about my experience letters and JD as my previous company is just not cooperative to go beyond their prescribed format
 

alvirahuda

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May 13, 2015
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rajkamalmohanram said:
<<< This post is straight from my blog. I thought it would be better to have a copy on the forum too>>>

I wanted to write this post for people who are planning to apply for Permanent Residence in Canada through the Express Entry system. This post would serve as a guide and explain what the process is like, what to expect and what NOT to do when you apply.

I shall update this post from time to time to keep up with the updates that CIC would be throwing at us! I will do my best to keep this post up to date and to keep all the information in this post valid and correct. This post is intended for anyone who wants to get a glimpse of how the process works.

This is basically a 2 step process. You first submit an online Express Entry profile and you receive an ITA and after that you apply for permanent residence.

So, let’s get started. I shall explain the process in 3 parts: Pre-Application, Pre-ITA and Post-ITA. (Don’t worry, you’ll soon find out what an ITA is).

I’ll give you guys a brief description of the 3 parts I have mentioned above.

Pre-application phase – A phase where you have NOT created an online Express Entry (hereafter referred to as EE) profile. You do not have a profile number.

Pre-ITA phase – A phase where you have created an online profile and you are waiting to get your Invitation to Apply (hereafter referred to as ITA).

Post-ITA phase – A phase where you have received an ITA and you are all set to submit your Permanent Resident (hereafter referred to as PR) application to Citizenship and Immigration Canada (hereafter referred to as CIC).

PRE-APPLICATION PHASE

You will go through the following in the pre-application phase:

Deciding to come to Canada

Take a piece of paper and write down why you want to come to Canada. Outline your settlement plan; try to research how you would support yourself and the job prospects in Canada. Please do not paint a rosy picture, don’t think Canada will be a land of milk and honey right after you land here. You have to build a life for yourself so DO NOT plan to relax as soon as you get here.

If you are determined to work smart and put in sincere efforts once you get here, you will be a successful immigrant in your new home – Canada.

Checking if you are eligible

To apply to Express Entry, you must satisfy certain criteria. We shall discuss this below.

You should be eligible under one of the Economic Immigration programs (Federal Skilled Worker Program [ hereafter referred to as FSW/FSWP], Federal Skilled Trades [hereafter referred to as FST] or Canadian Experience Class [hereafter referred to as CEC].

FSWP

FST

CEC

From this point on, I will limit the information to FSW program alone.

For FSWP, you need to score at least 67 points out of 100 to be eligible. You can manually calculate your points based on the criteria outlined in the CIC webpage (on the link that is provided).

So, are you eligible? Do you score at least 67/100 points? If no, I’m very sorry, you are not eligible to apply under the FSWP. If yes, keep your fingers crossed, you have another set of criteria to satisfy to be eligible for Express Entry.

You must use the Come to Canada tool to check if you are eligible under Express Entry.

Provide answers to the questions and the tool will tell you if you are eligible or not. The basic eligibility criteria are as follows :

A) You need to have your language test results ready (English or French – I shall write a separate post about this later).
B) You need to have an ECA report for your academic degrees/diplomas if they were not obtained from Canada. You can learn about the ECA process at here
C) You need to have at least one year continuous, full-time (at least 30 hours per week/1560 hours per year) or equivalent part-time experience in an occupation that is categorized under NOC 0, A or B in the past 10 years.
D) You need to have unfettered access to sufficient funds (that are unencumbered) depending on your family size (for the case in point here, “dependents” include your spouse and your dependent children). This money may not be borrowed from another person. You can check how much funds you need (here)

So, what does the tool say? Are you eligible? No? I’m sorry, you can check if you are eligible under any other immigration program. If yes, congratulations, you have cleared one hurdle on your path to attaining your Permanent Residence. You will receive a code that is called the “Personal Reference Code”. You need this to create your online EE profile.

Creating your online Express Entry profile:

Congratulations! You are eligible and all set to create your online Express Entry profile. To proceed you will need a couple of things:

A) As mentioned before, you would need the Personal Reference code.

B) You need to create a myCIC account, if you do not have one already.

C) You will need your language test’s Test Report Form (hereafter referred to as TRF) number AND your ECA report number to create and submit a complete profile.

D) You need to register with Canada’s “Job Bank” for CIC to deem your application as complete. The only people who are exempted from this requirement are the ones who have a job offer endorsed with a positive Labor Market Impact Assessment (hereafter referred to as LMIA) or people who are already working in Canada.

Please note that you need a login credential to create a myCIC account; you can login through a sign-in partner or by creating a GC key. I will discuss, in pristine detail, the end to end process involved in creating an EE profile (with screenshots) in a separate post since the scope of this post is only to provide some basic insight on how the EE system works.

You will have created your profile by now. Now you have to sit down patiently and wait for your ITA. The odds of getting an ITA are directly proportional to your CRS. Higher your CRS, higher the chances of getting invited. This is the end of the pre-application phase.

Please find the step-by-step details here

PRE-ITA PHASE

As I have already mentioned before, this phase requires you to wait and have patience. Roughly speaking, CIC conducts draws twice a month. The Minister of Citizenship and Immigration decides the cut-off score for the particular draw. You can see the rounds of invitation (here). If your score is greater than or equal to the cut-off score selected by CIC, you will get an ITA.

One thing that you’ll have to do here is keep an eye on the draws and your CRS. You have to see how close you are to the previous/recent draws. I must admit that CIC is extremely unpredictable in this regard; the draws are random and the CRS cannot be predicted in advance, so to speak. So, depending on your CRS, you might want to consider applying for Provincial Nomination, which has been discussed at the end of this section.

In the pre-ITA phase, you can start collecting the documents that you are expected to submit once you get an ITA. Some of the documents that you can prioritize on getting are Police Clearance Certificates and your Employer reference letters. I will be discussing this in detail below.

A) Police Clearance Certificates or PCC are they are known as are required for the PA, spouse and children over 18 years of age from their country of residence AND all other countries where they have been for a continuous period of 6 months or more. Getting a foreign PCC can be a tedious and a painstakingly long process so it is imperative to be proactive to avoid delays and get things done on time. PCC issued by a foreign county is valid indefinitely if it was issued during or after your last visit to that country. Please note that local PCCs can be obtained after you receive the ITA because it usually takes less time.

B) Employer Reference letters are required for the PA. The reference letter must be as specified by CIC. You can find the details of what the reference letters should be like in the link provided at the end of this section.

Depending on where the applicant works, the time taken for employers to issue these reference letters vary. So, it is important to be prepared and apply for the reference letter at the earliest. Please note that reference letters issued by employers while you quit the job is valid indefinitely while the reference letter issued by your current employer is generally valid for one year.

C) Proof of funds (POF) is a very important part of your documentation. While you are awaiting your ITA, you can prepare to show your funds. You DO NOT need to get any bank letter/document at this stage but if you need to arrange funds (like selling a car or liquidating assets like selling gold etc.) you have to start planning on how you are going to show your funds. CIC requires that the funds be unencumbered by any debt or obligation to re-pay. These funds must be liquid (You should be able to convert it to hard cash whenever required). You can see what CIC allows you to show as POF in the link provided at the end of the section.

D) Provincial Nominee Program (hereafter referred to as PNP) can be put to use if you think your CRS is not up to the mark. PNP are immigration schemes of the provincial/territorial governments by which they pick applicants who they think are suitable to fulfill the demand in their province. Some provinces require a full-time job offer from a Canadian Employer and some don’t. Some provinces process the applications electronically and some provinces still use the old-school snail mail method. Some provinces prefer applicants whose job falls under a particular NOC. There is variety. You can check the website of the province that you are interested in to learn more. If you get a provincial nomination, it will add 600 points to your CRS which means, in most cases, you will get an ITA in the very next draw.

Alright! So you have certain documents ready and Voila! You received an ITA. Great! Your next step is to accept the ITA and file your PR application electronically (e-APR).

Please note that if you will not be able to submit any of the necessary documents, you must consider declining the ITA and re-enter the pool to get another ITA.

We have now come to the end of the pre-ITA section.

For the complete EE Checklist, click here

POST-ITA PHASE

This is a very important phase and this is where your application will either be accepted or rejected. Once you get an ITA, you have 60 days to file a complete application – e-APR (electronic – Application for Permanent Residence). You need to gather all the required documents. You need to undergo a medical test (The details of the test are outlined later in the section). Once you submit a complete application, CIC will determine if you will receive a visa or not within a period of 6 months or less.

POF/Reference letters can be obtained post-ITA too (depending on your personal circumstance).

A) Medical examination is, by far, one of the most important post-ITA processes. The medical test is to ensure that you or your dependents do not have any serious/contagious diseases AND you will not be a burden to the Canadian healthcare system initially. You and all your dependents (whether accompanying or not) MUST undergo a medical test. Please note that this medical test must be performed by a doctor who is a CIC designated panel physician. Pregnant applicants or applicants can choose to complete their medical exam after the baby is born (since chest X-ray is a part of the tests) OR can choose to go ahead with the tests by wearing a lead apron. After the tests are done, you will get an upfront medical form. You will upload this form along with the other documents on the checklist.

B) Passports/Travel Documents must be submitted for the PA, spouse and for dependent children.

These two, along with other documents mentioned above (and in the checklist) must be submitted as a part of your post-ITA documentation.

Alright! So now you have all the documents available in the checklist. You are now all set to submit your application. Please follow the instructions given by CIC very carefully and fill the online application. Upload all the required documents. When you feel the need to explain something to CIC (like large recent deposits on your account or any other unusual circumstance), PLEASE submit a Letter of Explanation (LOE) along with the documents so that the officer who is assessing your case understands why you have not submitted the document in the prescribed format/why you are submitting an alternate document. Remember, you only have 60 days to submit your application. If you do not submit a complete application within this period, the validity of your ITA will lapse. You would then need to re-enter the pool and wait for a brand new ITA and have to start your e-APR from scratch.

Any changes to your personal circumstance (like the pregnancy of self/spouse, birth of a child, death/divorce etc.) MUST be reported to the VO at the earliest. If you DO NOT report these changes, it amounts to misrepresentation and your application will be rejected and you will be barred from re-applying again for 5 years.

After you submit your application, your medical records are checked. If everything is fine, your application goes into processing. At this stage, the background checks are performed. CIC might sometimes choose to call your employer to verify your employment history if they feel they need to verify. If the VO feels he/she needs more information, then you will be asked to upload further documents. You *might* be asked to attend an interview if the need be. If everything goes fine, you will get a Passport Request (PPR) and a Decision Made (DM) within 6 months of submission of complete application.

You can submit your passport (along with dependents’ passport, if they are accompanying you to Canada) at the nearest VFS. They will send your passport to the embassy and deliver your passport back to you after the stamping is done. You will get a Confirmation of Permanent Residence (COPR) letter along with your passport that is stamped with the Maple Leaf Visa :) . You need to carry BOTH your passport(with the stamped visa) and the COPR when you are travelling to Canada.

Please ensure that you verify all the details on your Visa and COPR. If there are any discrepancies, report it to your VO at once.

Please note that you and your dependents MUST land in Canada before your (and their) medical test expires (The validity of the medical test is 1 year from the date of the test) OR before your current passport expires, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. Also, please note that the dependents can either land ALONG with the PA or at a later date after the PA has landed BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE CAN THE DEPENDENTS LAND BEFORE THE PA LANDS.

I hope, as a reader, you will be satisfied with the information on this post. If you have any questions, feel free to leave a comment. Feel free to share your suggestions about this post. Also, if you want me to add something to this post/write a post on other related topics, please ask. Thanks!

-rajkamalmohanram
Dear
Can you please also suggest in case when my previous employer is not helping me to provide JD can my colleague sign a JD prepared by me and who is still working there.

My question is weather I need to provide it in Letter head of company or just single paper . As JD is suppose to be provided by HR isnt?

I thought to prepare my own JD and take a print in company letter head and signed it by one of my colleagues with seal and his contact information.

Please suggest.
 

medo225

Full Member
Feb 2, 2016
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I have complected issue I have submitted my application with only my ECA not all document 2 days after i submit it i have send the remaining with no reply from them. I have contacted them as i am getting promotion this month at work. is there any positive thought as it has been 4 days since i have sen the needed data.
 

VPSingh

Star Member
Jan 26, 2016
57
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Hello Raj
Please help me getting/calculating our approximate points for EE
MAIN APPLICANT
Age: 35 (25 June 1980)
Edu: Double Bachelors (B.Sc. Medical and B.Sc. Nursing, Panjab Uni)
IELTS: R-7.5, W-8, L-8, S-7 (Academic and expired) booked general end of Feb
Work Exp: January 2010 Till Date (HCA and now RN)

CO-APP
Edu: B.Com (university of Raj, Jaipur)
IELTS: R-5, W-7, L-7.5, S-8 (General and expired) Booked end of Feb
No Canadian work Ex

Nationality: Co-App: British
Main App: Indian (British citizenship Oath Ceremony first week of march)

Basis on the above info I could make out our points as follows, pls check/add. Many thanks

A
Age: 70
Edu: 119
Lang per ability 116 (not sure)
B
Edu: 8
Language not sure
C
Edu+Lan 50
Foreign W.exp+lan 50
CLB7
 

rajkamalmohanram

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Apr 29, 2015
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VPSingh said:
Hello Raj
Please help me getting/calculating our approximate points for EE
MAIN APPLICANT
Age: 35 (25 June 1980)
Edu: Double Bachelors (B.Sc. Medical and B.Sc. Nursing, Panjab Uni)
IELTS: R-7.5, W-8, L-8, S-7 (Academic and expired) booked general end of Feb
Work Exp: January 2010 Till Date (HCA and now RN)

CO-APP
Edu: B.Com (university of Raj, Jaipur)
IELTS: R-5, W-7, L-7.5, S-8 (General and expired) Booked end of Feb
No Canadian work Ex

Nationality: Co-App: British
Main App: Indian (British citizenship Oath Ceremony first week of march)

Basis on the above info I could make out our points as follows, pls check/add. Many thanks

A
Age: 70
Edu: 119
Lang per ability 116 (not sure)
B
Edu: 8
Language not sure
C
Edu+Lan 50
Foreign W.exp+lan 50
CLB7
Use the CRS tool to calculate your CRS points.

Link ---> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp
 

VPSingh

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Jan 26, 2016
57
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Thanks Raj, just did it. Getting 430 points. With the draw trend do you think we might be able to get through.

Thanks
VPS
 

rajkamalmohanram

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Apr 29, 2015
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VPSingh said:
Thanks Raj, just did it. Getting 430 points. With the draw trend do you think we might be able to get through.

Thanks
VPS
430 is a decent score - you are eligible to get a PT from Ontario.

Sadly, the cut off score set by CIC has never gone below 450 and there is no reason ti will fal to the 430s anytime soon. So, as soon as you get Ontario PT, you can apply and try to secure a nomination!

Good luck and all the very best!
 

alvirahuda

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May 13, 2015
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alvirahuda said:
Dear I am really amazed to see your knowledge on this are and supporting attitudes.

I am actually confused ..please help me out, hope you will be able to give answer

I worked for a multinational bank from 2010-2014 -4 years and now working with a finance company, however I asked for my JD and they gave me JD which doesnt fits to my chosen NOC.As a multinatunal they have prescribed format of General JD and they wont go beyond that.

But I went through NOC 6235 which seems similar with my responsibilities , can you please suggest can any of my colleagues declare in letterhead for the same so that in future if any verification occurs they can contact with him?

Or what should I do?

Another question I went through 6235 ,there its mentioned that Licence of Mutual finance,etc may be required as an employment requirement. Will it effect my PR application?

As I will also be applying in pnp PROGRAMS.

But I am really confused about my experience letters and JD as my previous company is just not cooperative to go beyond their prescribed format
I
Dear raj
Refer to the query please seeking your kind suggestion on this issue.
Would be of great help
 

Nalanda

Star Member
Dec 16, 2015
159
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Dear All and Raj,

Hope you remember me, I told that I am completing the 1 year this February. I submitted the application, I received 460 overall scores.
I could see following information in my express entry profile details
Federal Skilled worker - Met
PNP - Not met
Canadian Experience Class - Met
Federal Skilled Trades - Not Met

I have submitted my thesis on 31Oct 2014. From 1st Nov2014 onwards, I was deregistered as a student from my department. I have been asked to wait to hear the thesis defence date from my committee members. Thesis defence date has been scheduled on Jan2015. I received thesis completion letter from University on Feb2015 and I applied for my post graduate work permit on Feb2015. Finally I received the hard copy of my PGWP on May2015. I have been told that my work experience counts from the day I submitted the PWGP application to CIC (i.e. from Feb2015).

As you mentioned in previous thread that I can't use self employed work experience for CEC. So I selected the option self employed work for that contract work in job2. For rest of the other jobs, I have Canadian T4 available. I thought I need to wait for one more month to complete 1 year for CEC. But now it that shows I met the eligibilty requirements. My main concern, is my work experience looks good enough for CEC?

These are the work experiences I filled in my express entry work history section.

Job1 in Canada: Aug2015-current
Working with post graduate work permit and no more a student


Job2 in Canada: Mar2015-July2015(self employed, contract job)
started my work with implied status after receiving an email from CIC. Worked with post graduate work permit and no more a student


Job3 in Canada: Mar2015-July2015 (18hrs/week)
started my work with implied status after receiving an email from CIC. Worked with post graduate work permit and no more a student


Job4 in Canada: Jan2015-Apr2015
Job4.1: March2015-Apr2015 (10hrs/week)
started my work with implied status after receiving an email from CIC. Worked with post graduate work permit and no more a student
Job4.2: Jan2015-Feb2015 (10hrs/week)
worked with my study permit and no more a student


Job5 in Canada: Oct2014-Feb2015
Job5.1: Nov2014-Feb2015 (20hrs/week)
worked with my study permit and no more a student (bcos I was deregistered by department waiting for my thesis comments from the committee)
Job5.2: Oct2014-Oct2014 (20 hrs/week)
worked with my study permit but I was a student.


Job6 in Canada: Nov2014-Feb2015 (5 hrs/week)
worked with my study permit and no more a student (bcos I was deregistered by department waiting for my thesis comments from the committee)


Job7 in Canada: Sep2014-Dec2014 (8 hrs/week)
worked as a teaching assistant with my study permit(rules changed from this year no need of offcampus work permit) and I was a student.


Job8 in Canada: Jan2014-Apr2014 (8 hrs/week)
worked as a web developer with my offcampus work permit and I was a student


Job9 in Canada: Sep2013-Apr2014 (8 hrs/week)
worked as a teaching assistant with my offcampus work permit and I was a student


Job10 in Canada: July2013-Dec2013 (8 hrs/week)
worked as a web developer with my offcampus work permit and I was a student


Job11 in Canada: Sep2012-Apr2013 (8 hrs/week)
worked as a teaching assistant with my offcampus work permit and I was a student


Job12 in Canada: Sep2011-Apr2012 (8 hrs/week)
worked as a teaching assistant with my offcampus work permit and I was a student


Job13 in India: June2008-July2011 (3 years)
worked as a software engineer in India.
 

VPSingh

Star Member
Jan 26, 2016
57
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Great, thanks Raj. Another quick one I did my B.Com equivalence via WES and it showed the following.

Country of Education: India
Name of Degree: Bachelor of Commerce
Name of Institution: University of Rajasthan, Jaipur
Equivalency in Canada: Community College Diploma (3 years)

As I will be the Co-app, wondering if I will be awarded 8 points for spouse education or not because in CRS calculator I put 3 year degree while calculating the points.

Also Raj, with 430 points how long does it take to be picked up for a PNP or OINP after completing EE profile.


Many thanks!!
VPS
 

divyamenon

Full Member
Jul 16, 2015
21
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Hi Raj,

Could you throw some light on the nomination programs? Is it very difficult to get a nomination and are they given based on the CRS points? And, to claim points based on job offer, does it have to be only the primary appilcant?

And one more question, is it possible to change the NOC after submitting the EE profile by any chance?

Thanks
Divya
 

gilsukhc

Newbie
Jul 16, 2015
2
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I had my profile created by a representative last year, i am not satisfied with his service and therefore want to create a profile by myself. So how can i do it?
Basically my lawyer is not ready to provide me my user id and password for EE profile.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thank You.