Express Entry immigration favours low-wage workers

[mf4361]

Why the hell would you want to put a 40 year-old cook with LMIA and a young undergrad mechanical engineer in a same pool ?

I too agree BCPNP is the most mature EE-PNP system of all provinces.

To your question, the counter-argument (playing a devils advocate here) is that a cook gets a LMIA means the local economy is unable to hire a local Canadian to fill a cook position while there are plenty of Canadian engineers to choose from.

But it neglected the fact that cooks (and other jobs perhaps) have much higher turnover rates than some others professions, so deciding to prioritize certain people on a short-term basis is dangerous. (Think what if 5 years later restaurant demand goes down and we have plenty of oversupply of cooks immigrated in the past 5 years?)

 

[pultyn]

First of all they should stop treating candidates like hockey players. We don't finish our careers at age of 35 ;-)

Then I would like to see some respect for people who sacrificed many years of hard work just to see how somebody can cut all chances with one decision - yes I'm talking about myself ;-) As add-on I can say it was best time of my life... talking about my age!
Some EE points for semi and low skilled Canadian experience won't hurt anybody. Isn't all about how established we are?

It's crazy because with Master's degree, 4 years of foreign exp as NOC 2281 but at the age of 35 with well educated wife and English speaking 8 years old child we have only 435pts!

Young marriage with young kid who is product of this country are not good prospects, I guess.

As a semi-skilled NOC 7511 (Long haul driver) I make 60k/year. It would be much more If I only had this god damned ITA!!!

 

[anarsoul]

It's crazy because with Master's degree, 4 years of foreign exp as NOC 2281 but at the age of 35 with well educated wife and English speaking 8 years old child we have only 435pts!

Young marriage with young kid who is product of this country are not good prospects, I guess.

As a semi-skilled NOC 7511 (Long haul driver) I make 60k/year. It would be much more If I only had this god damned ITA!!!

Well, you're working as a low-skilled worked, so you don't get any points for your Canadian experience. System if fair in this case - it chooses those who worked in a high-skilled position.
Besides it's really easy to find a job in IT even without Canadian education or experience. Why do you work as a truck driver?

 

[RamsayBolton]

To your question, the counter-argument (playing a devils advocate here) is that a cook gets a LMIA means the local economy is unable to hire a local Canadian to fill a cook position while there are plenty of Canadian engineers to choose from.

But it neglected the fact that cooks (and other jobs perhaps) have much higher turnover rates than some others professions, so deciding to prioritize certain people on a short-term basis is dangerous. (Think what if 5 years later restaurant demand goes down and we have plenty of oversupply of cooks immigrated in the past 5 years?)

No, it doesn't mean the local economy cannot hire a local Canadian cook, it's because no native Canadian would want to work in a ethnic restaurants earning minimum wage. Let's be honest with ourselves here, do you ever see a white guy or an asian kid who born here in Canada working in an Indian restaurant or a Chinese restaurant? The answer is never. It's so easy and popular that you go to a McDonald's or a Tim Hortons and all employees from cooks to cashiers are all Filipinos. The fact that cooks and food supervisor are accounted 16% of all occupations in EE because they can easily get an LMIA. Do you really think Canadian economy need that many cooks and food supervisor?

 

[pultyn]

Well, you're working as a low-skilled worked, so you don't get any points for your Canadian experience. System if fair in this case - it chooses those who worked in a high-skilled position.
Besides it's really easy to find a job in IT even without Canadian education or experience. Why do you work as a truck driver?

When I came here my English didn't exist. The plan was to gain some experience in ON (unfortunately we arrived straight to ON) and move to B.C and apply for PNP in Semi-Skilled stream. Everything went well and then... boooommm!!! They stopped LMOs and started LMIAs. My employer has a branch in B.C. They didn't get LMIA in BC though and only got one in ON. Now they have LMIA but my 4th year has just finished. NOC 2281 or 2282 is Skill type B and it's not under exception.

You know how it is. I need to support my family, it's descent pay but lack of time for anything else.

 

[mf4361]

No, it doesn't mean the local economy cannot hire a local Canadian cook, it's because no native Canadian would want to work in a ethnic restaurants earning minimum wage. Let's be honest with ourselves here, do you ever see a white guy or an asian kid who born here in Canada working in an Indian restaurant or a Chinese restaurant? The answer is never. It's so easy and popular that you go to a McDonald's or a Tim Hortons and all employees from cooks to cashiers are all Filipinos. The fact that cooks and food supervisor are accounted 16% of all occupations in EE because they can easily get an LMIA. Do you really think Canadian economy need that many cooks and food supervisor?

I have seen white guy works in Chinese restaurant, indeed.

LMIA is to a local economy because business has to show nobody is willing to work at that location. That means if no local (not domestic) Canadian is willing to work at the job, nor a person willing to relocate for it, it qualifies +ve LMIA, even some other places have Canadians are qualified for the job.

LMIA is not inherently swings to cooks and waiters and cashiers. Its not like they see "cook" and they give it away. It's because these low wage jobs has the highest turn over rates of all occupations, due to poor working condition, subject to worker abuse and, as you've mentioned, nobody wants to work min wage unless they are struggled to put food on table. Plus these are all highly labour intensive and there are large number of openings all the time. Hence its easier to show to ESDC that no local Canadian takes the job.

For temporary labour measures this is a good thing. TFW are at max 2 years at a time so bring in foreigners to fill the job market hole for that period is useful. PR is certainly not temporary and shall not use a temporary scale to measure.

This is why EE needs to change. All those "add points to siblings" "make it easier for students to stay" are just patching holes to a paper ship.