Express Entry functionality??

[evanstp9]

Hi all.

Just my 0,02$...


How exactly does EE favor and benefit Canada and its immigration system, for skilled workers,
when you have people with 90, 100 or 150 points for human core, plus the usual 600 LMIA getting ITA,
and at the same time people with 300-400 on human factors, but no LMIA (also present in Canada, working on OWP)??

Where is the logic behind that? I honestly don't see it!

I have read about a guy here, with 0 for education, 0 for age, total 96 human, and got ITA with 696!

How does that person could be more "fit" for Canadian immigration? (no offense to that guy of course)
What are they thinking, could someone find any sanity for that?

 

[doobie.doobie]

LMIA is based on labor market needs.
getting LMIA is not easy these days. Employers have to follow lot of checks to get an LMIA.
Yes, each law/rules have loopholes, but yes there are businesses that are struggling to hire workers because Canadians/permanent residents don't want to do those jobs.
So it is important too.
And i also don't disagree with your logic, but it is, what it is.
Their country, their rules. love or hate, up to you!

 

[evanstp9]

Of course I understand the LMIA process and need, does the above example make sense to you though?

They advertised EE based on Canadian need and immigrants' ability to contribute to Canadian economy, thus the points for age, for example.. When you get a 0 there, and/or education, does the LMIA process prove you are going to contribute, and how much?

Of course it's their country and rules, who said it's not?
My post asked for the logic behind the example I stated, if someone can find the sense in that, I don't see it..

I don't think the LMIA process justifies that, even though it's a rigorous application and process nowadays..

 

[Caspper]

Hi all.

Just my 0,02$...


How exactly does EE favor and benefit Canada and its immigration system, for skilled workers,
when you have people with 90, 100 or 150 points for human core, plus the usual 600 LMIA getting ITA,
and at the same time people with 300-400 on human factors, but no LMIA (also present in Canada, working on OWP)??

Where is the logic behind that? I honestly don't see it!

I have read about a guy here, with 0 for education, 0 for age, total 96 human, and got ITA with 696!

How does that person could be more "fit" for Canadian immigration? (no offense to that guy of course)
What are they thinking, could someone find any sanity for that?

You are judging someone that has 96 as someone not qualified for Canada, if I got a LMIA I wouldn't give a sh** to IELTS or ECA as the 600 points would be enough.
I bet this person who got 696 had done IELTS or ECA will have a better score w/o considering the majority of this forum even without the LMIA.

 

[doobie.doobie]

Of course I understand the LMIA process and need, does the above example make sense to you though?

They advertised EE based on Canadian need and immigrants' ability to contribute to Canadian economy, thus the points for age, for example.. When you get a 0 there, and/or education, does the LMIA process prove you are going to contribute, and how much?

Of course it's their country and rules, who said it's not?
My post asked for the logic behind the example I stated, if someone can find the sense in that, I don't see it..

I don't think the LMIA process justifies that, even though it's a rigorous application and process nowadays..

There are lot of people, who skip putting different things, just because they have additonal 600 points. they don't want to follow up with that stupid paperwork.
On the other hand, I understand your frustration because of this stupid ITA score but show little compassion for the people who are selected. it seems you have decent knowledge, try helping others. Don't judge people on their score.
yes, CIC is judging people on their score but let it be man. Patience is the key. you'll get there too!!

 

[evanstp9]

That makes some sense, but justifies only the education on my above example, not the age.

My argument is mainly based on why LMIA awards that many points, where it could clearly attract not the best possible candidates?

I am just wondering how they exactly they (did not) think that..

I guess there is room for improvement, it's a brand new system...

 

[evanstp9]

There are lot of people, who skip putting different things, just because they have additonal 600 points. they don't want to follow up with that stupid paperwork.
On the other hand, I understand your frustration because of this stupid ITA score but show little compassion for the people who are selected. it seems you have decent knowledge, try helping others. Don't judge people on their score.
yes, CIC is judging people on their score but let it be man. Patience is the key. you'll get there too!!

My goal it not to judge these people, for sure!!
They did not steal or anything their spot!

I am judging the system, but I had to use an example to showcase my point.

I am commenting on the program, the EE logic, nothing more..

If you see similar immigration systems, you'll notice that difference..

 

[doobie.doobie]

My goal it not to judge these people, for sure!!
They did not steal or anything their spot!

I am judging the system, but I had to use an example to showcase my point.

I am commenting on the program, the EE logic, nothing more..

If you see similar immigration systems, you'll notice that difference..

It's messed up buddy. I understand your frustration. All I can say, is good luck!!

 

[conair]

The system is working perfectly. The labour market test is used all over the world.

 

[evanstp9]

The system is working perfectly. The labour market test is used all over the world.

If you don't have an argument to elaborate your opinion, there is no point in commenting.

If you read more carefully my comments, you'll see that we don't discuss whether the labour market test is used and why, but rather the amount of points it's worth, on the expense of the human core factors.

 

[ButterflyChemist]

Hi all.

Just my 0,02$...


How exactly does EE favor and benefit Canada and its immigration system, for skilled workers,
when you have people with 90, 100 or 150 points for human core, plus the usual 600 LMIA getting ITA,
and at the same time people with 300-400 on human factors, but no LMIA (also present in Canada, working on OWP)??

Where is the logic behind that? I honestly don't see it!

I have read about a guy here, with 0 for education, 0 for age, total 96 human, and got ITA with 696!

How does that person could be more "fit" for Canadian immigration? (no offense to that guy of course)
What are they thinking, could someone find any sanity for that?

I cannot speak for someone's points but which of the economic immigration programs would someone qualify for with no education (0)? Regardless of EE points you must qualify for the program under which you will apply. In the case of FSW you must have 67 points minimum and must have ECA and appropriate IELTS scores.

Now a LMIA has little to do with the employee and everything to do with the employer. The employer is granted a LMIA because he is unable to recruit a Canadian or PR for the job. He then gives this to an employee of his choice. Even with a LMIA the employee must prove that he is qualified for the position and this is determined by CIC when they review qualification, job duties and experience.

An ITA does not equal automatic PR and the 600 points is allotted so PNP nominees and LMIA holders are predetermined to be needed in Canada can get there in reasonable time.

 

[erguan]

If you have LMIA, will you still spend 300$ and wait for 1 month to do ECA?

Hi all.

Just my 0,02$...


How exactly does EE favor and benefit Canada and its immigration system, for skilled workers,
when you have people with 90, 100 or 150 points for human core, plus the usual 600 LMIA getting ITA,
and at the same time people with 300-400 on human factors, but no LMIA (also present in Canada, working on OWP)??

Where is the logic behind that? I honestly don't see it!

I have read about a guy here, with 0 for education, 0 for age, total 96 human, and got ITA with 696!

How does that person could be more "fit" for Canadian immigration? (no offense to that guy of course)
What are they thinking, could someone find any sanity for that?

 

[evanstp9]

I cannot speak for someone's points but which of the economic immigration programs would someone qualify for with no education (0)? Regardless of EE points you must qualify for the program under which you will apply. In the case of FSW you must have 67 points minimum and must have ECA and appropriate IELTS scores.

Now a LMIA has little to do with the employee and everything to do with the employer. The employer is granted a LMIA because he is unable to recruit a Canadian or PR for the job. He then gives this to an employee of his choice. Even with a LMIA the employee must prove that he is qualified for the position and this is determined by CIC when they review qualification, job duties and experience.

An ITA does not equal automatic PR and the 600 points is allotted so PNP nominees and LMIA holders are predetermined to be needed in Canada can get there in reasonable time.

CEC does not need minimum points for education, you stand correct for FSW.

 

[ButterflyChemist]

CEC does not need minimum points for education, you stand correct for FSW.

I did point out that I was speaking directly of FSW. Furthermore if you are talking about LMIAs and the additional 600 points CEC would be the most appropriate immigration program to look at. And even though you do not get points for education for CEC (I don't know this myself, am only going off what you said) since NOC category is a factor, education does play an indirect role.

 

[purplesnow]

basically if somebody has an LMIA the government has already said that they need that person and whatever skills they have. they are filling a gap in the canadian labour market so they get those 600 points. having an lmia guarantees you an ITA because you are needed so they don't need to bother about increasing human capital points, (beyond those required ie. language test) canada has already said they want them, PR is just a formality at that point.

and the whole point of EE is to bring in people canada needs so in that regard, its functioning perfectly.