Express Entry functionality??

[kateg]

Where is the logic behind that? I honestly don't see it!

The logic is simple. People on OWP often compete with Canadian workers. If the people on OWP aren't competing, the employer can get an LMIA. If they are, Canada wants them to leave.

 

[kateg]

They advertised EE based on Canadian need and immigrants' ability to contribute to Canadian economy, thus the points for age, for example.. When you get a 0 there, and/or education, does the LMIA process prove you are going to contribute, and how much?

The Foreign Skilled Worker program is an economic program. The scores are designed to reflect the likelihood of economic success (both for Canada and for the worker). Younger people tend to have an easier time finding jobs (and a longer taxpaying life). Educated people tend to have an easier time finding jobs (and earn more money).

If someone's already found a job where they are essential, then they don't need to guess at how likely they are to establish them successfully. Having a job is a great indicator of the ability of the person to find one

 

[marcus66504]

The logic is simple. People on OWP often compete with Canadian workers. If the people on OWP aren't competing, the employer can get an LMIA. If they are, Canada wants them to leave.

This has been said over and over and has been beaten to death already!

As with any time when a privilege gets removed for good public policy reasons, there's going to be a lot of crying and huffing and puffing by those who have lost the privilege (in this case the ability to file an application directly without needing to be lottery-selected first).

The crying and huffing and puffing will go on for some time and then these people will go away, and a new set of people will move in to these forums, people who don't know what it was like before Express Entry and hence don't expect any better and have no reason to complain and whine.

And then life will go on as before. ....

It has been like this in the rest of the Western world for ages. There are no options for foreign students or temp workers to apply for PR directly in the US (that is, no special options that aren't available to anybody else), and the sky hasn't exactly fallen. Students still keep flocking to that country in record numbers.

 

[evanstp9]

This has been said over and over and has been beaten to death already!

As with any time when a privilege gets removed for good public policy reasons, there's going to be a lot of crying and huffing and puffing by those who have lost the privilege (in this case the ability to file an application directly without needing to be lottery-selected first).

The crying and huffing and puffing will go on for some time and then these people will go away, and a new set of people will move in to these forums, people who don't know what it was like before Express Entry and hence don't expect any better and have no reason to complain and whine.

And then life will go on as before. ....

It has been like this in the rest of the Western world for ages. There are no options for foreign students or temp workers to apply for PR directly in the US (that is, no special options that aren't available to anybody else), and the sky hasn't exactly fallen. Students still keep flocking to that country in record numbers.

Thanks for providing a useless and stupid comment, I needed a good laugh!!

As for the initial post, it was a genuine question I had, and some people provided their opinion and input, which made sense, and cleared a few things up.

If you "read" crying, huffing and puffing, maybe it's time you open a dictionary, or try harder and understand what someone writes.

 

[conair]

basically if somebody has an LMIA the government has already said that they need that person and whatever skills they have. they are filling a gap in the canadian labour market so they get those 600 points. having an lmia guarantees you an ITA because you are needed so they don't need to bother about increasing human capital points, (beyond those required ie. language test) canada has already said they want them, PR is just a formality at that point.

and the whole point of EE is to bring in people canada needs so in that regard, its functioning perfectly.

Exactly. op is just another frustrated applicant or foreign graduates from a Canadian educational institution that believes Canada owes them permanent residence cos they spent a few thousand dollars to study.
The scenario playing out right now in Canada reminds me of the IGS and post study work visas days in my home country, England. It's normal to complain and get angry at a system if it doesn't favour us. Many more are coming after him.

 

[evanstp9]

Exactly. op is just another frustrated applicant or foreign graduates from a Canadian educational institution that believes Canada owes them permanent residence cos they spent a few thousand dollars to study.
The scenario playing out right now in Canada reminds me of the IGS and post study work visas days in my home country, England. It's normal to complain and get angry at a system if it doesn't favour us. Many more are coming after him.

I guess that makes you another one who has a hard time comprehending the English Language, even though you stated you come from England!!

The part where you "understood" from my post, and I quote you: "op is just another frustrated applicant or foreign graduates from a Canadian educational institution that believes Canada owes them permanent residence cos they spent a few thousand dollars to study.",

Just hilarious!!! Keep it up, you' gooood...

 

[mead]

ignore marcus he/she is a troll

 

[The_Distant_One]

Hi all.

Just my 0,02$...


How exactly does EE favor and benefit Canada and its immigration system, for skilled workers,
when you have people with 90, 100 or 150 points for human core, plus the usual 600 LMIA getting ITA,
and at the same time people with 300-400 on human factors, but no LMIA (also present in Canada, working on OWP)??

Where is the logic behind that? I honestly don't see it!

I have read about a guy here, with 0 for education, 0 for age, total 96 human, and got ITA with 696!

How does that person could be more "fit" for Canadian immigration? (no offense to that guy of course)
What are they thinking, could someone find any sanity for that?

easy, the big factor in fitting in with society is having a job. That is a good way to make friends and learn culture. Working with Canadians will speed up a persons assimilation much fast then knowing how to speak english or being highly educated.

Also you have criticized a lot of people English in this thread yet your English itself is pretty average.

 

[evanstp9]

easy, the big factor in fitting in with society is having a job. That is a good way to make friends and learn culture. Working with Canadians will speed up a persons assimilation much fast then knowing how to speak english or being highly educated.

Also you have criticized a lot of people English in this thread yet your English itself is pretty average.

The criticism on EE is not that job is not a big factor, it definitely is..
The comment targeted that it seems to completely overpower the human factor points.

The criticism on other people's English was about the ability to understand what someone writes, to interpret something as is.
It had nothing to do with the level of English competence.

As for my average level, thanks for your opinion, but I honestly don't give a f***.
First of all, English is not my native language, neither I stated I'm an English expert.
I'm "lucky" I guess that my TOEFL score is 113/120, I won 2 scholarships, I just graduated and already work for a major networking company, contractor for the government as well, because all these are achievable for an average English speaker.
I have numerous examples to mention about people who got rejected from jobs, and even interviews, based on what we discuss right now...

As for your actual comments on my OP, do you think that someone who can't communicate effectively, will work with Canadians? No way, unless we are talking about jobs where customer interaction and necessary skillset are very limited, low skilled and/or survival jobs.

How are you going to work with Canadians, if you are not educated and/or speak English at an effective level? Only a few skilled jobs might be able to fulfill those requirements. The assimilation you talk about, depends greatly on the level of English proficiency.