Priyank11 said:Guys i have a score of 485 and i havent recieved an ITA.... n e clues???
It takes some time for you to receive the ITA, chill
Priyank11 said:Guys i have a score of 485 and i havent recieved an ITA.... n e clues???
DelPiero07 said:It takes some time for you to receive the ITA, chill
Priyank11 said:Guys i have a score of 485 and i havent recieved an ITA.... n e clues???
dan_and said:No offense either but you need to understand that the number of ITAs determines the cut-off score, and not the other way around.
All this conspiracy theory stuff about CIC establishing secret thresholds has been around this forum ever since Express Entry started.
In the beginning, everyone was freaking out about the "fact" that nobody without a job offer or a nomination would ever be invited (because the scores were 700+).
Then, ~450 was a threshold that the CRS score never went below. Theories were established as to why CIC, in all their infinite wisdom, had picked 450 as the permanent cut-off score. None of them made sense.
Earlier this year, to everyone's shock, the number of ITAs was successively reduced and the CRS score went up to >480 as a consequence. Again, theories abound that this is the new 'secret' cut-off.
What all this fails to take into account is the simple fact that the cut-off is a function of the number of invites. Plain and simple.
Express Entry was established to pick the highest-ranking candidates and to allow CIC a more efficient management of applications to avoid the build-up of backlogs and to maintain the 6 month turnaround goal. The latter objective especially means that they will adjust invitations based on work load and immigration goals.
It should therefore be obvious that controlling the number of invitations is a much more useful tool to administer a government authority such as CIC than to manage for some arbitrary CRS goal which could produce huge swings in number of applications to be processed (an operational nightmare).
Besides, it might come as a surprise to you that Canada is a country where the rule of law is of utmost importance. This means that government agencies like CIC can't just flip the officially stated purpose of Express Entry on its head, change the purpose of the program to establish a secret cut-off and undermine the parliament's immigration goals.
Finally, this does not even make sense and you are contradicting yourself. Skipping a draw to maintain a certain score only makes sense if you want to keep the ITAs constant or reduce them. But they skipped a draw and increased the number of ITAs. They could have established the same score last week with fewer invitations.
thourb said:Finally, some common sense. CIC are looking for 54,000-58,400 immigrants through FSW in 2016. That is what determines how many ITAs they will give out. They do not care about the score of the lowest invited candidate, they are only concerned with the number of ITAs (and consequently PRs) issued. Surely the fact that the score was down as low as 450 only a matter of months ago demonstrates this fact to people. CIC have no reason to artificially keep the CRS score above any predetermined threshold; to do so would make it difficult for them to predict how many ITAs would be issued.
moderator1983 said:It's too early to say this...
I (and many other members) always believed, it's always draw size (ITA#) which further decides cut-off score and is not other way around...
dan_and said:No offense either but you need to understand that the number of ITAs determines the cut-off score, and not the other way around.
All this conspiracy theory stuff about CIC establishing secret thresholds has been around this forum ever since Express Entry started.
In the beginning, everyone was freaking out about the "fact" that nobody without a job offer or a nomination would ever be invited (because the scores were 700+).
Then, ~450 was a threshold that the CRS score never went below. Theories were established as to why CIC, in all their infinite wisdom, had picked 450 as the permanent cut-off score. None of them made sense.
Earlier this year, to everyone's shock, the number of ITAs was successively reduced and the CRS score went up to >480 as a consequence. Again, theories abound that this is the new 'secret' cut-off.
What all this fails to take into account is the simple fact that the cut-off is a function of the number of invites. Plain and simple.
Express Entry was established to pick the highest-ranking candidates and to allow CIC a more efficient management of applications to avoid the build-up of backlogs and to maintain the 6 month turnaround goal. The latter objective especially means that they will adjust invitations based on work load and immigration goals.
It should therefore be obvious that controlling the number of invitations is a much more useful tool to administer a government authority such as CIC than to manage for some arbitrary CRS goal which could produce huge swings in number of applications to be processed (an operational nightmare).
Besides, it might come as a surprise to you that Canada is a country where the rule of law is of utmost importance. This means that government agencies like CIC can't just flip the officially stated purpose of Express Entry on its head, change the purpose of the program to establish a secret cut-off and undermine the parliament's immigration goals.
Finally, this does not even make sense and you are contradicting yourself. Skipping a draw to maintain a certain score only makes sense if you want to keep the ITAs constant or reduce them. But they skipped a draw and increased the number of ITAs. They could have established the same score last week with fewer invitations.
rkhan15 said:Is it just FSW or all EE profiles or both EE and other immigration processing? If it's just EE then numbers don't make sense, I assume there are about 1000-1500 ITAs per draw, which would mean 24000-36000 ITAs per year; which is much less than above quota. Now minus number of rejections from this and the total FSW immigrants to canada will fall further short of 54,000-58,400.
Pitlord said:If this is like as you described why doesn't CIC publish how many people is in the pool at all times, how many points they have, how did they earn them, how many pnps etc.
It is not a conspiracy theory, it's practice. To me this is all a big scam, a big money industry. How can you be certain of people being invited? Do you know all 484 of them from the last draw? How can somebody have a 900 points? By harvesting bananas in tropical Alberta? Are you kidding me? And please don't start with a provincial needs for workforce.
Immigration is not transparent in Canada and lots of us are just sheeps who believed in justice. I don't blame them, I blame us for believing
Specterz said:I agree, more ITAs means nothing as long as the score doesn't drop.
And, for international student rules coming this fall, even if they provide extra 20-30 points (Just an example), it won't make any difference, since most Intl' students stand between 380 - 450. Just my thought!
@dell2 - Minister said that the rules will be effective in the fall, not next year.
thourb said:What a lot of nonsese. Although it is true that CIC could publish more data (and I'm sure we'd all like them to), the fact is that there is already a lot of data available which they didn't have to publish for us to go through. The process by which you are eligible or not is clear and the process by which you earn CRS points is also clear. You will know where your points tally stands before you even create an EE profile and every two weeks or so you'll know whether you'll get an ITA as CIC publish the scores drawn. They don't even need to publish the number of ITAs or CRS score required each week. They do this, presumably, as it gives people an idea where they stand relative to the number of points required, which fosters trust in the system.
On your question as to how someone gets 900 points - Somone can get 900 points quite easily if they secure PNP or an LMIA - something that anyone can do if they have the right skills or appropriate work experience. This is a system that CIC have committed to modifying (or at least consuled upon modifying) as they realise that there are flaws in the current system which can be tweaked in order to get the best out of EE.
How can this be a big money industry? Whilst there are undoubtedly the unscrupulous few who "sell LMIAs" (and the government is cracking down on these), the rest of the process including costs are laid out very clearly by CIC and provinces. Express entry itself is entirely free to create a profile, whereas it would be arguable that the Canadian government could quite justifably charge a nominal fee for creating an EE profile to weed out fake profiles and to cover admin charges. Even a nominal $20 charge would have brought in up to $4million for CIC in 2015.
I don't know your own personal situation and/or how many CRS points you have, but your post stinks of resentment towards those who have got the required points. Fortunately for you, CIC has helpfully told you how to increase your points and also how many points would historically get you an ITA. Now it's down to you to do the work to get there.
Pitlord said:You my friend have a great imagination or you work for CIC. I have 465 of those imaginary points. When I said money industry I meant that students are coming from overseas to spend their money on tuition and then through this lovely game called express entry got kicked out. 50k for masters 15k for post grad times thousands of students. If you still don't get it I can't help you.
Pitlord said:You said so many things that is hard to answer to all. Government is hiding results from us. It is not transparent. Of course that they don't have to publish any of this. When they put data out in the air through live feed so that we can all see it at any moment than I will believe that I might get invited.
Pitlord said:When it comes to pnp and 600 points, this is another way of getting more money through this game.
Pitlord said:And again how do you know who got the nominee? Or was it 484 or 485 or 48 or 47? Only they know. Why would they publish the truth when the whole thing is not transparent.
If you think that I am crazy, please tell me how many people is in the pool at the moment and how many points they have with their names. I dare you asking your boss, this!
ravdawg said:Here's hoping they fix their mistake of inviting so many low-wage workers, instead of high wage earners. No matter what people say, there is absolutely no need to bring in people for 13$/hr jobs under an economic class. Absolutely none.