Experience

[mustafa shah]

Hello,
I want to ask regarding the experience. i have four year bachelor degree in Pharmacy. i worked part time for 40 hours a week for continuous one year, that was paid during my fourth year of education. Can i count that as one year experience?

 

[rupeshhari]

i believe you can. By the way, even though you call it part time because you worked while you were studying, it is full time by CIC's definition. CIC considers 40hours per week of work to be full time.

 

[mustafa shah]

Matees thanks for yr prompt update. You really mean relative experience during graduation may be counted. Its just yr perception, or there is any reference or a documented reason to it to prove your point. As it very imperative to be certain. How can i be certain further regarding it?

 

[rupeshhari]

I am not an expert so it is just my opinion. you should check out OP6. It is a pdf file which you can find by searching on google, OP6 cic.

 

[PMM]

Hi

i believe you can. By the way, even though you call it part time because you worked while you were studying, it is full time by CIC's definition. CIC considers 40hours per week of work to be full time.

My question would the same as the VO, "if the OP was studying to be a Pharmacist and had not graduated/qualified, it is doubtful that the work experience during that period would be considered that of a pharmacist"

 

[mustafa shah]

Now i am stuck between two different opinions, i searched the op6 file, there is no such intimation that experience only after completion of a particular study will be considered and not during the graduation. I am about to apply. Will someone truly navigate my ship?

 

[rupeshhari]

Only you can navigate your ship. Well, your situation is one of those things that can go both ways. For example, you are not a pharmacist before you get the degree but you would have done the duties of a pharmacist while studying. I worked as a teaching assistant but applied under college instructor. I did not have the doctorate degree either (unless my masters was considered adequate). They may have just looked at my duties before approving me.

Btw mines is just an opinion. PMM has much more experience on this forum.

 

[mustafa shah]

Dear Mattee. I would be glad, if could search some info regarding my problem. As other than this blog, i hardly have another source of information. 0p6 file do not contain any such information. So kindly if you can take on my request.

 

[makpan]

Nice response by Matties. But i will advise you to ask Qorex on his Master Thread by qorex link on this web. He will give you good guide line.

Thanks

Dear Mattee. I would be glad, if could search some info regarding my problem. As other than this blog, i hardly have another source of information. 0p6 file do not contain any such information. So kindly if you can take on my request.

 

[rupeshhari]

I did try search for you but found nothing. Unfortunately, I am moving countries at the moment and have very little time.

Unfortunately, I am no expert and hence, only know these websites. Remember, CIC does not spell out the rules for every case and there is some judgemental decisioning by the verification officer. According to many, including me (perhaps you may find this on OP6) is that only duties matter and not title. If you were doing the duties of a pharmacist (I presume that pharmacist is on the 29 list and it is what you are applying under), then you will get approved even if your title is not that. Now, you must be doing a substantial amount of the duties specified for pharmacist.

For example, an accounting technician and accountant in some countries might be doing much of the same job but they are not the same job. There are some duties of an accountant that is considered normal that a technician may not do. So I don't think an accounting technician can then specify that he comes under an accountant.

On the other hand, I had never taught a complete class where I had given lectures. I have given lectures only as stand in and that too, for two periods. Otherwise, my duties involved grading, setting exams, some administrative stuff, etc. I applied under 4131 or 4121 but despite my title being teaching assistant (which comes under another NOC that is not found on the list). I argued explicitly why despite being a teaching assistant why I should be considered a college instructor. I had the backing of my boss. Further, I did not do IELTS when they were expecting most people to take IELTS. I had many many anomalies in my application. Guess what, I got my stamp on my passport this week. While I was advised by many that my application would fail, it didn't.

There are two questions that are pertinent:
1) if work experience is gotten before the degree is granted, it is counted.
2) Is the work experience that you got before your degree carry the same duties and responsibilities as someone who already have their degree.

There are of course, programmers who become programmers without any qualification and do their job as well as those who have a degree. I can't imagine these people would have been rejected if their job was on the list. Many business analyst won't have a business degree (but may have other degrees - I know such cases). But just because they may think it is okay not to have a qualification while working doesn't mean that your "internship" carries the same duties as a pharmacist. You should check to see whether your duties carry the same roles and responsibilities and if yes, then apply. OP6 clearly says educational qualification should not be taken into account.

The only way you can get to know whether your situation would work is if someone had actually gone through it. Best to ask as many people as you can. Like makpan said, Qorax knows a lot about immigration, so does PMM, Leon, BobbyB. Get as many diverse view as you can but you have to make the decision at the end.

Again, mine are just opinion. I am no expert. Good luck.

 

[barsindoo]

Since the field of pharmacy is regulated in most countries, it can be safe to say an unqualified person would not be given such duties to perform. At most you probably would be permitted to be a pharmacist assistant hence I would find it doubt if the VO will consider the work experience as valid. Just 2cent logic.

Let wait for more minds to reveal their thoughts.

 

[qorax]

@Mustafa Shah

What Maaties opined is prefectly correct. A job, during studying is "counted" as experience, vis-a-vis the hrs of work.

i believe you can. By the way, even though you call it part time because you worked while you were studying, it is full time by CIC's definition. CIC considers 40hours per week of work to be full time.

Again, what PMM states is also correct. However, this is the most likely outcome your exp claim would get. It'd "not be counted".

My question would the same as of the VO, "if the OP was studying to be a Pharmacist and had not graduated/qualified, it is doubtful that the work experience during that period would be considered that of a pharmacist"

The reason here is quite simple. It's all about a "regulated profession". Unfortunately we r discussing about a "Pharmacist's" occupation. Which requires licensing in not just Canada, but almost every part of the globe, for working in this filed. And one cannot get the "license" w/out a certain basic qualification, to work in such professions.

Thus, your pre-qualifying job, in this occupation, is not acceptable. Moreover, in Canada u cannot perform such a task at all until u r licensed. Though in your homeland u could. But, CIC would go by the book... the Canadian book... and that'd reject your claim.

As regards Maaties's opinion, it'd 100% work if the discussion was about a Marketing Job, a Graphic Designer's job, a Call-Centre Supervisor's job, an Administrator's job etc... but, unfortunately, it wouldn't apply on a regulated profession.

Ohh yes, before I could write, member Barsindoo had hit the nail correctly, already.

Qorax
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Thanks Maaties for directing me to this thread.

 

[mustafa shah]

thanks Mattee and Qorex. i found a contrast in the opinion of both of u. Matte says it is counted. For Qorex i would say, Pharmacy is although regulated and licensed in our country, but Pharmacist can job in any sector provided they have some background Knowledge regarding Pharmacy. No such real obligations at all here. In Canada they accept us immigrants, then we appear in two difficult exams, after qualifying that, we are allowed to practice. Currently i have degree and also registration both, but their is no such intimation that we have to be registered with a licensing authority, only we need to have a degree from a recognized University.