EU To Require Visas for US and Can Citizens

[Lux et Veritas]

Hello all,

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/eu-visa-romania-bulgaria-trade-ceta-1.3526513

I fault the Liberals for this: I don't see how Romania and Bulgaria represent any kind of security threat to Canada. I don't think it will come to pass simply because the European Parliament can reject it but interested to see what you guys think.

 

[keesio]

I don't see how Romania and Bulgaria represent any kind of security threat to Canada.

It is not because of security, it is more because Romania and Bulgaria has more economic migrants since they are relatively poorer countries

 

[scylla]

Hello all,

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/eu-visa-romania-bulgaria-trade-ceta-1.3526513

I fault the Liberals for this: I don't see how Romania and Bulgaria represent any kind of security threat to Canada. I don't think it will come to pass simply because the European Parliament can reject it but interested to see what you guys think.

You're misunderstanding the reasons. Nothing to do with security threats - everything to do with far too many non-qualifying refugee claimants from these countries (primarily Roma) who were coming to Canada as tourists and then immediately claiming asylum. The numbers had gotten out of control - so Canada slapped on the visa requirements.

 

[Muby]

Yes they should actually. Some european need electronic travel authorization to travel to us an canada. So why the shouldn't pay the same?

 

[Lux et Veritas]

It is not because of security, it is more because Romania and Bulgaria has more economic migrants since they are relatively poorer countries

But apparently citizens of Papua New Guinea can visit Canada visa free, and their GDP per capita is lower than either Romania's or Bulgaria's? I'm neither Romanian nor Bulgarian by the way but seems that every other country has a consistent visa policy except Canada.

With respect to Scylla's comments on the Roma, that could be a major factor (didn't know about this). But Australia (which is known for being tough on border issues) gives visa-free access to Bulgaria and Romania as does the UAE from what I'm reading. Seems reckless that Canada would put its ties with the world's largest economic zone on the line for silly reasons. Moreover why would the Roma come to Canada when they can go and live in Germany, France, Switzerland, etc?

 

[scylla]

Moreover why would the Roma come to Canada when they can go and live in Germany, France, Switzerland, etc?

They can, but:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-17606004

More than 11,000 claimed refugee status in Canada between 2008 and 2012. Hence the visa rule changes.

 

[Politren]

In this regard I seriously don't understand the true reasoning why Canada is giving priority to waive the visas for Mexico. Mexico has huge population, standard of living not so good and on top of that I am sure that many Mexicans will seek claiming asylum in Canada .

Mexico also has huge criminal contingent.

I really don't understand the logic of Canada regarding this.

Now I just checked that even the extremely poor Papua New Guinea doesn't need visas to Canada. This Canadian visa policy is very strange indeed.

 

[Lux et Veritas]

In this regard I seriously don't understand the true reasoning why Canada is giving priority to waive the visas for Mexico. Mexico has huge population, standard of living not so good and on top of that I am sure that many Mexicans will seek claiming asylum in Canada .

Mexico also has huge criminal contingent.

I really don't understand the logic of Canada regarding this.

Now I just checked that even the extremely poor Papua New Guinea doesn't need visas to Canada. This Canadian visa policy is very strange indeed.

Absolutely Politren makes a great point I totally overlooked the fact that Trudeau has committed to removing the visa requirement for Mexicans.

By the way, I'm not against that- Mexico is a G20 country and an emerging power. It is also a NAFTA partner. I also advocate visa free travel for Argentina (which now charges Canadians reciprocity fees for a visit) and all EU member-states. I do think Canada is being arrogant about things, going to lengths that others like the US and Australia don't even go to. As an example: Canada demands biometrics from Colombians who apply for visas. Now Colombia introduced a special fee that Canadians have to pay even as tourists (the infamous "Canada line" in their airports).

Harper has done so much to damage Canada's reputation but Trudeau has been in power over 6 months and doesn't even seem to care. The Canadian passport is getting weaker as a travel document by the day and more governments view Canada and Canadians negatively.

 

[Lux et Veritas]

Papua New Guinea has no airport. People needs to go to Indonesia to fly anywhere in the world. That, or they can paddle their way here.
See the logic?

Not sure if serious...see this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_Papua_New_Guinea

 

[Politren]

I definitely don't see the reasoning behind the priority decision to waive the visas to Mexicans.
Mexico has massive amount of criminals, and huge population living in poor conditions with a high chance to seek asylum in Canada.

The total population of Romania, Bulgaria is just a fraction of the population of Mexico.

On top of that the Mexicans don't have the privilege to work and live in the EU like the Romanians and Bulgarians.

Absolutely Politren makes a great point I totally overlooked the fact that Trudeau has committed to removing the visa requirement for Mexicans.

By the way, I'm not against that- Mexico is a G20 country and an emerging power. It is also a NAFTA partner. I also advocate visa free travel for Argentina (which now charges Canadians reciprocity fees for a visit) and all EU member-states. I do think Canada is being arrogant about things, going to lengths that others like the US and Australia don't even go to. As an example: Canada demands biometrics from Colombians who apply for visas. Now Colombia introduced a special fee that Canadians have to pay even as tourists (the infamous "Canada line" in their airports).

Harper has done so much to damage Canada's reputation but Trudeau has been in power over 6 months and doesn't even seem to care. The Canadian passport is getting weaker as a travel document by the day and more governments view Canada and Canadians negatively.

To be honest I also have the same observations that the value of the Canadian passport for international travel is getting weaker.

 

[Alaska2Canada]

Papua New Guinea has no airport. People needs to go to Indonesia to fly anywhere in the world. That, or they can paddle their way here.
See the logic?

What century are you from?

Virgin Atlantic flies there everyday. So does Qantas.

 

[research-scientist]

Well said. That's why Americans say Canada is America's hat. Honestly, I don't know why Canada is a G7. The economy is all dependent on comodities. Canada is not an industrial country. Do they have a big company that play role in World economy?

Think of it this way. Canada is like the French frogs. They pride themselves because they are French.
Well, they might have forgotten France surrendered to the nazi's in like after two days of fighting. They lost Vietnam to the rice pudding guerrilla fighters of North Vietnam. Now their CAPITAL was bombed by radicals without their intelligence service smelling something was brewing.

This country looks like it prides itself for being canadians. Have it contributed to the betterment of this planet?
They do think canada is G d's answer to all the Third World immigrants. They think these professionals lives gone up a notch the moment they set foot in their cold barren soil. Just g ddamn funny.
Have it defeated the nazi's, commies and radicals?
Its like a fly who bask in the glory of America. Clinging to wherever United States goes. Thats how they pride themselves. Economically, this country is a nightmare. Little population can bring you not far a distance. It needs immigrants to feed the cogs and the wheels of supply and demand.

I can go on and on. But the fact of the matter is, cannucks can't distinguish delusion of grandeur from reality. It must possitively be from living in sub-zero temperatures. It gets in your brain.

 

[Lux et Veritas]

Wow this is getting more absurd...amateurish from baby-boy Justin and his Liberal goons.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/trade-society/news/romania-will-veto-the-eu-canada-trade-deal/

 

[Politren]

Wow this is getting more absurd...amateurish from baby-boy Justin and his Liberal goons.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/trade-society/news/romania-will-veto-the-eu-canada-trade-deal/

Let's don't forget the priority to remove the visas for Mexico, which makes the whole picture really absurd.
Canada is risking to decrease a lot of the value of the Canadian passport if the EU apply visas for Canadians and at the same time Canada works hard on lifting the visas for Mexicans.
Clearly something is wrong big time with that Liberal government regarding the visa policy.

 

[nkam]

The eTA is another major issue and it could result in other reciprocal issues for Canadians and Americans in future because many EU citizens are prevented from boarding planes since it applied...