Escaping from Africa.

[Defiant]

Defiant Like you I would rather avoid unnecessary discussion on this topic. oppressed at the end are oppressed and oppressors remain oppressors. Lets find a solution for KGB,rather than distracting from the main point.

sonia, Leon , BCguy and my self suggested that KGB if really feels threatened in South Africa , he should seek refuge in a foreign country or apply for immigration to UK, Canada, Australia etc.

I suggesteted that he should also consider moving to his ancestereal home country where he may have inherant rights. we now leave it to his judgement to act as he deems fit. Good luck to him & his family.

Ghiaskhan, I would actually love to discuss the matter you actually brought up yourself using your so called logic, but if you can't bring it, then that's fine with me.

And just for the record: that was one of the lamest excuses I've ever heard.

 

[ghiaskhan]

Defiant, this is an immigration forum, I would rather stay away from "useless talk" . Its better to pour water on the flames than petrol. Discussing what never existed does not make a sense. Anyway thanks for addressing me,it would be better to jon hands for the wellfare of suppressed not suppressors. good luck.

 

[Leon]

Just to let you know ghias, if you are planning on immigrating to Canada at all that holocaust denial is somewhat against the law here. There is not a specific law against it but it is considered hate speech. Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial and look for the Keegstra and Zundel cases.

 

[ghiaskhan]

Thanks leon, despite having studied law as a professional lawyer for more than half of my life, I only believe in being a good human being. Jews, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and men & women of all other faiths are created by one and the same GOD and should be treated with respect. I am not a politetion and am never keen to indulge in politics of the past. It would be right to say We all are first human and then followers of various ideologies ?

When you treat others as fellow human being there is never a possibility of hate, Hate speach or Hate crime. Differing with others is a human right and cannot overide any law. During my entire life , I did differ with different people including yourself but without indulging in sleez, insult or arrogence. I respect men and women of all faiths and prefer to learn than to impose. You are a respectable member of this forum and I always respect your views even if I have to differ with you. This is what I have learnt through my broughtup, education and training.

When someone attempts to draw me in an unwanted discussion, I prefer silence and discard such an offer as Useless Talk . You will agree that this is an immigration forum and we must contribute on this subject than spending time on what only can drift us apart and away from the main topic "Immigration".

 

[Leon]

When someone attempts to draw me in an unwanted discussion, I prefer silence and discard such an offer as Useless Talk

You were the one who started that topic.

 

[ghiaskhan]

You are inviting me for unwanted discussion and as said earlier I would not partcipate in Useless Talk. I am sure my views are clear. thank u soooooooooooooooooooomuch

 

[ghiaskhan]

" All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience
and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. ”


Article 1 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)[2]

 

[Defiant]

Defiant, this is an immigration forum, I would rather stay away from "useless talk" . Its better to pour water on the flames than petrol. Discussing what never existed does not make a sense. Anyway thanks for addressing me,it would be better to jon hands for the wellfare of suppressed not suppressors. good luck.

First you claim that Holocaust never existed (though this has nothing to do with the topic of this forum), which is a very nice indicator of the level of your education by the way.

Then when you are offered a chance to prove your claim you just back off using a lame and phony excuse.

And then you go on babbling about god, respect and politics of the past, which again has nothing to do with the topic or even with the oh so unwanted discussion.
Oh, and by the way, denying the Holocaust is definitely disrespecting the people who went through it and Jews in general...But what am I saying here? - That can't be true, cause you're all about respect, isn't that right?

You're just a phony...

 

[ghiaskhan]

I would not partcipate in "Useless Talk" , would still prefer to avoid undesireable and fowl language. Yes I am all about respecting others but my right to differ with any thought is my right that cannot be taken away by uneducated individuals or their behaviour.

 

[Defiant]

I would not partcipate in "Useless Talk" , would still prefer to avoid undesireable and fowl language. Yes I am all about respecting others but my right to differ with any thought is my right that cannot be taken away by uneducated individuals or their behaviour.

How much longer are you going to say that you're not going to participate in useless talk?

This just cracks me up ))

Right to differ - yes, you have the right to differ with the thought that the earth is a sphere...

 

[ghiaskhan]

Thanks for restricting my rights.... by the way right to differ is very different and restrcited in your view.

 

[Defiant]

Thanks for restricting my rights.... by the way right to differ is very different and restrcited in your view.

Thanks for giving me such credit. I didn't know one could restrict someone's rights by writings posts on a forum

Anyways my (now restricted) friend, feel free to contact me whenever you need some more restrictions.

Much obliged

 

[ghiaskhan]

hay u r wellcome... U r indeed a dictator like old dictators may they rest in peace

 

[ghiaskhan]

" All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience
and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. ”


Article 1 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)[2]

I guess the above is not one of those unwanted discussion so let me add, that at least we agree on the importance of this UN declaration. This UN declaration is especially important in a week when mad crazies killed innocent people of all types in Mumbai, in the name of religious or political ideology.

We all live in a realistic world. Laws of a country are not taught to all the citizens, lawabiding people learn and abide by law. Whether law exists or not, really doesnot matter to those who have no respect for law. Justice at all levels
enforces law,but when there is justice who can implement law?

United Nations came into being for the failure of the league of Nations to maintain international peace and security. There are 192 member states of the U.N.O.The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.The General Assembly consists of all the Member States of the United Nations.Each Member ( State) have not more than five representatives in the General Assembly. But five permenant member states run the show, where as 192 sit and see the show. Is it the democracy of champions of democracy. Is it justified to exclude India,Germany , Japan and many other states with huge poulations away from running the UN affairs.

The main objectives of UNO include, maintainence of international peace and security and settlement of international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

Despite clear provisions of International law, Is the world peaceful as desired by the Charter of United Nations?
Have the member states stopped wars? , Have they solved all international disputes like Palestine,Kashmire, Tibbet etc and without loss of life?

If state law or international law becomes applicable in its real spirit, this world will no longer be the world,but the paradise, where gun , gun boat and gun ship will have no place, and world will not be regularised by the UN charter or a state law.

Until injustice is there,nations will destroy other nations, stronger will do things at will and weeker will be deminished.
Champions of human rights will violate human rights in the name of these rights and the supressed will remain as such at the hands of suppressors.As a result crime & aggression will equally increasae. Democracy will be exported from one state to another on the wings of B57, gunships,submarines and destroyers.

The objectives of UNO will be implemented in the shape of aggression,killing of human,looting of wealth and destruction of the planet. and then another body will come into being as replacement of UNO and league of Nations.

No one under such circumstances can either teach or learn, be it the local law Vs citizens or the countries Vs the UN charter or the human rights.

 

[Defiant]

Useless talk or put it better: bla bla bla

Care to elaborate on the alleged non-existence of Holocaust?


Phony...