Employment references

[MapleLeaf18]

I have got a checklist of documents to submit and I am having some doubts on the Employment references.

1) There is a work experience I mentioned which is more than 10 years ago (from May 2004 to June 2005), I need to show documentation of that too as per the checklist. I do have the appointment letter and the experience letter on the company letterhead stating my position and the duration, but it doesn't mention other things like the exact nature of duties (however, the salary is mentioned in the appointment letter). Also, that place is now closed down and it would be really difficult to find someone to give a personal reference of it. Will that really count as I understand that I have got points for the last 10 years of work experience not before that.?


2) In my last 10 years work experience - I was working as a Research Analyst for 2-3 years between the year 2006 and 2009. Again, I do have a reference letter for it stating the duration of employment and the job title and it is on the company letterhead. But for more detailed reference the company hasn't provided me with it so I asked one of my ex-colleagues to give a personal reference (which is obviously not on the letterhead) mentioning all the details. Will that suffice along with the company's reference?

Would really appreciate any advice or if someone has had similar experiences?
Thank you

 

[gimmyle]

If you can notarize the personal reference I think it should suffice and explain why you added it with the company ref. on LOE. my thought hope to hear from experts

 

[redfox05]

Doesnt it depend on which section you put that job in, as I think there are two sections.

Correct me if im wrong, as this is why I have a consultant rather than doing it myself, but:

I seemed to remember in one section you put all the relevant jobs that you want counting towards your visa application/CRS score.
And then in the other section, you can place other job experience, unemployment time, study time etc, and this I dont think you need letters for. And the way you are describing it, this job from before 10 years ago, you dont seem to be using it for your points/application? Is that right?

Can someone comment on my thoughts above to confirm/deny?

 

[rajkamalmohanram]

I have got a checklist of documents to submit and I am having some doubts on the Employment references.

1) There is a work experience I mentioned which is more than 10 years ago (from May 2004 to June 2005), I need to show documentation of that too as per the checklist. I do have the appointment letter and the experience letter on the company letterhead stating my position and the duration, but it doesn't mention other things like the exact nature of duties (however, the salary is mentioned in the appointment letter). Also, that place is now closed down and it would be really difficult to find someone to give a personal reference of it. Will that really count as I understand that I have got points for the last 10 years of work experience not before that.?

I suppose you could go back and remove this job from the work history section in the post-ITA questionnaire. You could even remove this from the personal history section as this does not fall under the past 10 years.

Add a letter of explanation that outlines the reasons as to why you have removed this from the post ITA profile (while you had this mentioned in the EE profile).

If you are not able to remove this information, then you just need to submit a letter of recommendation that you are NOT claiming points for this job whatsoever so you have not submitted a reference letter for this.



2) In my last 10 years work experience - I was working as a Research Analyst for 2-3 years between the year 2006 and 2009. Again, I do have a reference letter for it stating the duration of employment and the job title and it is on the company letterhead. But for more detailed reference the company hasn't provided me with it so I asked one of my ex-colleagues to give a personal reference (which is obviously not on the letterhead) mentioning all the details. Will that suffice along with the company's reference?

You could try e-mailing your company asking for a reference letter in the format specified. The odds are that they will refuse telling that they will not issue such a letter. You can add this letter as a part of the documentation that will convince the officer that you made genuine attempts to procure the letter. This along with the reference letter from the colleague (get it notarized) and other documents like appointment letter, promotion letter, payslips etc should do the trick.

Would really appreciate any advice or if someone has had similar experiences?
Thank you

 

[joelmath]

I have got a checklist of documents to submit and I am having some doubts on the Employment references.

1) There is a work experience I mentioned which is more than 10 years ago (from May 2004 to June 2005), I need to show documentation of that too as per the checklist. I do have the appointment letter and the experience letter on the company letterhead stating my position and the duration, but it doesn't mention other things like the exact nature of duties (however, the salary is mentioned in the appointment letter). Also, that place is now closed down and it would be really difficult to find someone to give a personal reference of it. Will that really count as I understand that I have got points for the last 10 years of work experience not before that.?


2) In my last 10 years work experience - I was working as a Research Analyst for 2-3 years between the year 2006 and 2009. Again, I do have a reference letter for it stating the duration of employment and the job title and it is on the company letterhead. But for more detailed reference the company hasn't provided me with it so I asked one of my ex-colleagues to give a personal reference (which is obviously not on the letterhead) mentioning all the details. Will that suffice along with the company's reference?

Would really appreciate any advice or if someone has had similar experiences?
Thank you

Do you remember what you entered as your primary occupation? Was any of these 2 jobs entered as your primary occupation /NOC?

 

[rajkamalmohanram]

Doesnt it depend on which section you put that job in, as I think there are two sections.

Correct me if im wrong, as this is why I have a consultant rather than doing it myself, but:

I seemed to remember in one section you put all the relevant jobs that you want counting towards your visa application/CRS score.
And then in the other section, you can place other job experience, unemployment time, study time etc, and this I dont think you need letters for. And the way you are describing it, this job from before 10 years ago, you dont seem to be using it for your points/application? Is that right?

Can someone comment on my thoughts above to confirm/deny?

You are talking about the work history section and the personal history section. My humble opinion is that you DON'T need a consultant to do this for you - If you spend a few hours on the forum, you will get the basics.

Whatever is mentioned in the work history/education history section requires backing evidence. Whatever is mentioned in the personal history section ALONE does not need any backing whatsoever!

 

[MapleLeaf18]

Doesnt it depend on which section you put that job in, as I think there are two sections.

Correct me if im wrong, as this is why I have a consultant rather than doing it myself, but:

I seemed to remember in one section you put all the relevant jobs that you want counting towards your visa application/CRS score.
And then in the other section, you can place other job experience, unemployment time, study time etc, and this I dont think you need letters for. And the way you are describing it, this job from before 10 years ago, you dont seem to be using it for your points/application? Is that right?

Can someone comment on my thoughts above to confirm/deny?

Well it was me who added it in the Employment History section even though it didn't make any difference to the points, I added it while I was waiting for ITA just to see if it makes any difference to the points but it didn't. But I think their computerized system automatically generates a checklist of all the employment experiences irrespective of the dates. I think the officer verifying it shouldn't be taking that experience into consideration ideally i.e. ignore any documentation for it but I am not sure.

 

[krsenthilkumaran]

I have got a checklist of documents to submit and I am having some doubts on the Employment references.

1) There is a work experience I mentioned which is more than 10 years ago (from May 2004 to June 2005), I need to show documentation of that too as per the checklist. I do have the appointment letter and the experience letter on the company letterhead stating my position and the duration, but it doesn't mention other things like the exact nature of duties (however, the salary is mentioned in the appointment letter). Also, that place is now closed down and it would be really difficult to find someone to give a personal reference of it. Will that really count as I understand that I have got points for the last 10 years of work experience not before that.?


2) In my last 10 years work experience - I was working as a Research Analyst for 2-3 years between the year 2006 and 2009. Again, I do have a reference letter for it stating the duration of employment and the job title and it is on the company letterhead. But for more detailed reference the company hasn't provided me with it so I asked one of my ex-colleagues to give a personal reference (which is obviously not on the letterhead) mentioning all the details. Will that suffice along with the company's reference?

Would really appreciate any advice or if someone has had similar experiences?
Thank you

1) If it doesn't make any difference to your CRS score. You can remove that from your employment history, but dont forget to include it in your personal history.

2) Yes that should suffice. In addition you can also attach a proof(like email communication/letter) from Employer(HR manager) declining the request to provide detailed reference letter to you.

 

[Asivad Anac]

Well it was me who added it in the Employment History section even though it didn't make any difference to the points, I added it while I was waiting for ITA just to see if it makes any difference to the points but it didn't. But I think their computerized system automatically generates a checklist of all the employment experiences irrespective of the dates. I think the officer verifying it shouldn't be taking that experience into consideration ideally i.e. ignore any documentation for it but I am not sure.

Your assumption is justified and correct. Any such redundant and superfluous information in the EE profile will be summarily ignored. Basically, you have th choice of positive action (upload whatever document you have in that placeholder) or negative action (edit your post ITA profile and delete this from your Work history, the placeholder will disappear) for the same result - no points and no relevance to your application.

All the best!

 

[rajkamalmohanram]

1) If it doesn't make any difference to your CRS score. You can remove that from your employment history, but dont forget to include it in your personal history.

The OP doesn't need to retain it in the Personal history section because it is not in the past 10 years.

2) Yes that should suffice. In addition you can also attach a proof(like email communication/letter) from Employer(HR manager) declining the request to provide detailed reference letter to you.

 

[MapleLeaf18]

Do you remember what you entered as your primary occupation? Was any of these 2 jobs entered as your primary occupation /NOC?

Yes, my primary occupation is the second one.
I have other work experiences too. Some companies have a standardized format of providing reference that doesn't include the details like the nature of duties, working hours etc.

 

[MapleLeaf18]

Yes, I did try emailing them for reference and they said they don't give any other document other than the relieving letters. The only issue is with their documents it is not easy to match the job with the NOC code for which I contacted one of the ex-colleagues to provide me a personal reference.

 

[MapleLeaf18]

Your assumption is justified and correct. Any such redundant and superfluous information in the EE profile will be summarily ignored. Basically, you have th choice of positive action (upload whatever document you have in that placeholder) or negative action (edit your post ITA profile and delete this from your Work history, the placeholder will disappear) for the same result - no points and no relevance to your application.

All the best!

Thanks, yea looks like those are the only options I have. I'll see what I can do. Will focus more on other documents first and then come back to this.

 

[redfox05]

You are talking about the work history section and the personal history section. My humble opinion is that you DON'T need a consultant to do this for you - If you spend a few hours on the forum, you will get the basics.

Whatever is mentioned in the work history/education history section requires backing evidence. Whatever is mentioned in the personal history section ALONE does not need any backing whatsoever!

It's funny how everyone jumps on it as soon as I mention I hired a consultant. But understandable I guess, as in most cases, its unneeded.
There were specific reasons I needed to get a consultant, but yes, in general, I agree you probably don't need a consultant

 

[rajkamalmohanram]

It's funny how everyone jumps on it as soon as I mention I hired a consultant. But understandable I guess, as in most cases, its unneeded.
There were specific reasons I needed to get a consultant, but yes, in general, I agree you probably don't need a consultant

Please don't mistake that for arrogance. I just put out an opinion, that's all. Of course, having a consultant or not is one's personal choice. I cannot "force" anyone to do anything! I can only suggest!

Good luck and all the very best!