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Employment letter - Salary and hours

ljiljka007

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LPS said:
Some people work differing hours from week to week, yes. But it's not like you're being asked to predict the hours you will work in the future! The calculation is based on the hours you were already paid for.

The term "full-time" may not mean the same thing to CIC as it does to the person who wrote the employment letter. So it makes perfect sense that the employment letter should include the number of hours worked per week.

In your example, the variation in hours does not matter anyway, as all of them exceed 30 hours, which is CIC's threshold for a full-time week.
My employer wrote "full time employee (30+ hours per week)" in the reference letter. Does that sound ok, or should I ask for new one?
 

LPS

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I think that's probably fine, as it has sufficient information to determine that you worked twelve months full-time, or the equivalent in part-time: the number of hours worked (30+ is CIC's definition of full-time) and presumably, the date range(s) in which you worked.
 

ljiljka007

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Jan 3, 2013
423
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Mississauga, ON
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
7305
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
13-05-2014
Doc's Request.
sent PCC for spouse on Oct 20, without request
AOR Received.
06/24/2014
IELTS Request
with application
Med's Request
17-06-2015
Med's Done....
08-07-2015
Passport Req..
30-07-2015
LANDED..........
17-08-2015
LPS said:
I think that's probably fine, as it has sufficient information to determine that you worked twelve months full-time, or the equivalent in part-time: the number of hours worked (30+ is CIC's definition of full-time) and presumably, the date range(s) in which you worked.
Yes, it has date range too.. I'll attach pay stubs with it too. It doesn't say number of hours worked, but my letter says how much they pay me per hour so if they want to check they can count it :)
 

SimK

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Jul 23, 2013
129
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Mississauga, Ontario
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CPP-O
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1211, 6314
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13-05-2014
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none
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Thanks everyone for your inputs..I've a better idea of what to do now. I just want to clarify a couple of things...

1. I got promoted and the previous position doesnt qualify, still it has to be mentioned in the reference letter along with all the details like salary, benefits and responsibilities i shouldnt mention anything about the previous position in the letter.

My application for FSW was rejected last year due to missing NOC codes and i was an office assistant that time. Now i'm an office supervisor and applying under CEC. So CIC knows that i joined as an office assistant

2. Do I have to attach the paystubs from jan 2014-april 2014 since the t4s and NOA do not cover this period. The problem is there are no hours in my pay stubs.

3. My annual salary is $26550 and i get paid monthly. I worked min of 32 hours a week. How would I calculate my hourly wage??


Thanks!

Any suggestions LPS??
 

LPS

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SimK

(1) You don't need reference letters, or other proof of work experience, for occupations that don't qualify for CEC. This includes positions that you may have held at the same company before being promoted. Of course, in the other section that asks your personal history over the last ten years, you should not forget to include these jobs.

Now I'm guessing - if the letter does mention your previous, less-skilled job, then it probably won't hurt. The Schedule 8 form allows you to specify those jobs for which you are trying to claim work experience toward CEC, and by omission, the jobs that you are not claiming.

(2) Include the pay stubs if you want - they are probably not required though, as you are including the most recent T4 and NOA, which is what they requested. If you think about it - almost everyone who applies for CEC is going to include work experience gained within the current tax year, and they don't all submit pay stubs. The number of hours you worked per week is attested by your employment letter.

(3) If you're salaried, then just mention your salary. There's no particular requirement to mention an hourly wage. The document checklist calls for "your total annual salary plus benefits", so in fact, it is the people who are paid hourly who have to convert their pay to an annualized amount.
 

SimK

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Jul 23, 2013
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Mississauga, Ontario
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CPP-O
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1211, 6314
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Pre-Assessed..
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13-05-2014
Doc's Request.
none
AOR Received.
25-06-2014
IELTS Request
Celpip sent with application
File Transfer...
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07-07-2015
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LPS said:
SimK

(1) You don't need reference letters, or other proof of work experience, for occupations that don't qualify for CEC. This includes positions that you may have held at the same company before being promoted. Of course, in the other section that asks your personal history over the last ten years, you should not forget to include these jobs.

Now I'm guessing - if the letter does mention your previous, less-skilled job, then it probably won't hurt. The Schedule 8 form allows you to specify those jobs for which you are trying to claim work experience toward CEC, and by omission, the jobs that you are not claiming.

(2) Include the pay stubs if you want - they are probably not required though, as you are including the most recent T4 and NOA, which is what they requested. If you think about it - almost everyone who applies for CEC is going to include work experience gained within the current tax year, and they don't all submit pay stubs. The number of hours you worked per week is attested by your employment letter.

(3) If you're salaried, then just mention your salary. There's no particular requirement to mention an hourly wage. The document checklist calls for "your total annual salary plus benefits", so in fact, it is the people who are paid hourly who have to convert their pay to an annualized amount.
Thanks a lot for clarification LPS, I guess I've become negative since my file was rejected because of missing noc code on one of the form last year.
All your suggestions are very helpful and do make a lot of sense.
I think i would complicate my case if I attach pay stubs since they aint giving a clear picture. Also, I can ask my employer to remove the previous low skilled position. He wasnt even willing to put it on the reference letter at the first place. He owns 2 more companies and we operate from same physical location and he's mentioned that i look after both the companies. Should that be a concern? even its the same staff and same office??

Do you think they're any chances of application being returned if I do not include the pay stubs for this year, 2014.

Also, do we actually have to write our name in our native language with a pen after printing the form? that sounds lame ;) ;)
 

pNick

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SimK said:
Thanks a lot for clarification LPS, I guess I've become negative since my file was rejected because of missing noc code on one of the form last year.
All your suggestions are very helpful and so make a lot of sense.
I think i would complicate my case if I attach pay stubs since they aint giving a clear picture. Also, I can ask my employer to remove the previous low skilled position. He wasnt even willing to put it on the reference letter at the first place.

Do you think they're any chances of application being returned if I do not include the pay stubs for this year, 2014.

Also, do we actually have to write our name in our native language with a pen after printing the form? that sounds lame ;) ;)
Paystubs are optional. What are other documents you have as part of your work experience?
Yes, you have to write your name in native language after printing the form.
Moreover there is also a form of Additional family information, complete names in English and native language in that form as well.
 

SimK

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Jul 23, 2013
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Celpip sent with application
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pNick said:
Paystubs are optional. What are other documents you have as part of your work experience?
Yes, you have to write your name in native language after printing the form.
Moreover there is also a form of Additional family information, complete names in English and native language in that form as well.
Thanks bro!

I just have a reference letter and T4 and NOA from 2013, just the reference letter for 2014. I do have pay stubs too.. just confused if i should include them or no
 

pNick

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SimK said:
Thanks bro!

I just have a reference letter and T4 and NOA from 2013, just the reference letter for 2014. I do have pay stubs too.. just confused if i should include them or no
I would ask senior to help you in that because I am not sure about your paystub as it does not contain number of hours you worked. I assume that your paystub has wages, CPP, EI, Tax deductions, and Net Pay for both current and YTD amount.
 

SimK

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Jul 23, 2013
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Mississauga, Ontario
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1211, 6314
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
13-05-2014
Doc's Request.
none
AOR Received.
25-06-2014
IELTS Request
Celpip sent with application
File Transfer...
25-06-2014
Med's Request
18-06-2015
Med's Done....
19-06-2015
Passport Req..
02-07-2015
VISA ISSUED...
07-07-2015
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Please advise seniors??

I've everything ready with me..just waiting for your advise..

also, do we need to attach the business cards of managers??
 

SimK

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Jul 23, 2013
129
5
Mississauga, Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
1211, 6314
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
13-05-2014
Doc's Request.
none
AOR Received.
25-06-2014
IELTS Request
Celpip sent with application
File Transfer...
25-06-2014
Med's Request
18-06-2015
Med's Done....
19-06-2015
Passport Req..
02-07-2015
VISA ISSUED...
07-07-2015
LANDED..........
07-14-2015
anyone please??
 

nov1061

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SimK said:
Please advise seniors??

I've everything ready with me..just waiting for your advise..

also, do we need to attach the business cards of managers??
Attach the business cards of the managers only in case your employment letter is not written on the company letter head.
Regarding the pay stubs: Don't send it now. If CIC need it they ask for it.
 

Krishkrangan

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Is it OKIE to have the hourly Salary on the Employment Letter instead of the annual Salary. Also, i did not have any benefits with 2 of my employers so i plan to not mention anything on benefits. Is this Okie?