Effective date of Bill C24

[keesio]

Hi MUFC,

As posted already, I repeat: I really hope this provision will be delayed upto Sep, 2015 so the desperation and frustration which some people are creating could calm down and the applicants (including me) who are worried about their applications can get a sigh of relief.

Thanks, keep us posted with the update.

Nadeem

there will always be people who are frustrated and upset when this happens. The only difference is who, since that depends on when you would be able to apply under current rules.

 

[screech339]

As keesio has mentioned. It doesn't matter when the actual official date come into play. Whether its June 2015, July 2015, or delayed as MUFC would have liked, there will always someone going to complain because they fall so close to the new delayed cutoff date. Then these people will "hope" the implement date will get delayed further so they can qualify under the old rules instead of new rules. You are never going to satisfy everyone. Someone is going to be effected by the new rules at the borderline cutoff date. If the implement date get put off, some people like MUFC would be happy but what about someone else whose now fall under the same situation at a new delayed date?

Please relax and try to plan around the problem.

Screech339

 

[keesio]

Please relax and try to plan around the problem.

Yup. My wife will be impacted but we are not stressing out hoping the new rules get implemented at the end of 2016 when she would eligible under the current rules. She'll just have to wait a bit longer.

 

[pl840502]

This is a thread for "Effective date of Bill C24", so it is for people who cares about and wants to know the "Effective date of Bill C24". If people don't care or think the date doesn't matter for them, please then you don't have to read this thread.

Thanks MUFC, for always keep updating us on the information you've got. Really appreciate it.

J

 

[screech339]

This is a thread for "Effective date of Bill C24", so it is for people who cares about and wants to know the "Effective date of Bill C24". If people don't care or think the date doesn't matter for them, please then you don't have to read this thread.

Thanks MUFC, for always keep updating us on the information you've got. Really appreciate it.

J

Yes I agree. Why don't we actually wait for the official announcement from CIC instead of making talking points about when the effective date will come into play. So while we are waiting for the official announcement, plan around it.

 

[MUFC]

We should be aware of the possibility that the official statement from CIC might come after the actual cut off date.

Actually why most of the people expect that there will be official notice in advance from CIC?

 

[keesio]

Actually why most of the people expect that there will be official notice in advance from CIC?

Because that is how they normally operate. All the major changes I can think of have been announced prior to going into effect. Condition 51, Changing the sponsorable dependent age to 18, the changing of Citizenship by decent rule, etc...

 

[dpenabill]

Because that is how they normally operate. All the major changes I can think of have been announced prior to going into effect. Condition 51, Changing the sponsorable dependent age to 18, the changing of Citizenship by decent rule, etc...

On the contrary, it seems clear that this government oft times offers little or perhaps even no advance notice of when significant changes are coming and will take effect. Other than the notice inherent in the grant of Royal Assent in mid-June, the provisions implemented on August 1st, for example, which included some very substantial changes, were implemented with NO advance notice to the public, none. Even the formal changes to the Citizenship Regulations adopted attendant the changes effected August 1st were not published in the Gazette until after the fact. Similarly, last February when fees were increased, there was not a single day's notice to the public. Back in 2012, when CIC implemented OB 407 radically changing how it processed citizenship applications, even the vast majority of personnel at CIC had very little notice it was coming, let alone much information about what it was and how it would change things (predictably with near disasterous results).

Some changes have been implemented with some but not a lot of notice, like the changes in language requirements (which necessitated changes to the regulations of a type for which the law requires formal notice to be published in the Gazette), but the amount of notice was minimal and there was very little notice of the date the changes would be put into effect.

What elevates the level of frustration is that there are individuals in this government who almost certainly have a specifically planned date in mind (by now anyway), one that will most likely be the actual date. This government could give the public advance notice, but it deliberately chooses not to do so. And whether that date is May 1st or September 1st will make a significant difference to many thousands of PRs on the cusp.

While planning is of course in order, for those anticipating making an application in the coming year, and worrying in contrast has little ultility, I fully understand the frustration of those who are on the cusp, those who will reach the point they are qualified under the current residency requirement sometime between spring and fall 2015. It is rather difficult to plan for an unknown, and the date the new presence requirements will take effect is indeed an unknown. Best guess is sometime between May 1, 2015 and September 1, 2015, probably by October 1st at the latest, quite certainly some time between January 1, 2015 and October 30, 2015. But that is all a guess. Definitely some time in 2015, but again beyond that it is all a guess. (As I said before, I am highly skeptical of reports coming from CIC personnel as to a prospective date, since this government keeps department personnel in the dark nearly as much as they do the public -- albeit as the actual date does get closer, then there are likely to be some credible reports from CIC personnel.)

Prospective applicants should be able to expect at least some notice, sufficient notice to at least cover a reasonable mailing period, so that unlike with the fee change in February (which affected hundreds or more applications already in the mail, given the total lack of notice), applicants can know as of the day they go to mail their application. But with this government, there is no guarantee there will even be that much notice. We do not know how much formal notice there will be, if any.

In the meantime, though, the irony is that there are a significant number of PRs who may benefit from the change, who will become qualified sooner when the new law takes effect.


Note: relative to the August 1st changes, the order by the Governor in Council which set August 1st as the date those provisions were to come into force was made July 31st, but not published until well after the fact. The first public notice of the changes which, for example, eliminated the role of CJs in the granting of citizenship for non-residency cases, was issued later in the day August 1st.

 

[screech339]

There are reasons for not giving much notice or even announced after the fact. The announcement of conditional PR after the fact was made to prevent flooding of applications to beat the deadline to avoid conditional PR. Some announcement does not require any advanced notice such as the change from JC to officer for citizenship as it does not have any effect on the applicant or the applicant's application qualification. It wouldn't make any sense to not give any advanced notice to applicant's qualification as it would not be fair to the applicant to submit an application only to be told he/she didn't qualify under the new rules after the fact. Advanced notice would and need to be required. The question is how much advanced notice, we don't know. So far we are only given an approx. range date of June/July 2015 on the assumption that the law would be completely 100% in effect 1 year after royal assent as written in the law. They could give 6 months notice or even one week's notice of the official date. But an advanced notice will be given nonetheless. They gave advanced notice of the Aug 1st changes (removal of 19 or older from dependent qualification) since it actually affect the applicant's ability to qualify for PGP and dependent PR sponsorship.

 

[nadeem55]

To my knowledge, CIC staff needs atleast 1 year of training before adopting the new changes where they can process citizenship application within 6 months. That's all I can say.

 

[screech339]

To my knowledge, CIC staff needs atleast 1 year of training before adopting the new changes where they can process citizenship application within 6 months. That's all I can say.

Hence the reason that the law says approx. one year for 4/6 rule to come into effect. Besides, how much training is needed to calculate 4 years out of 6 years. It is not that hard.

 

[nadeem55]

I would say training might includes:
- Updated Citizenship applications forms, manuals,
- Updated Computer software to learn,
- Power of decision to the immigration officer to access eligibility,
- Probably a new file number instead of the old system which means new database,
- They have to follow up with old + new system (old applicants which are on queue and new who are applying)
- No credits given for the time spent before becoming Permanent resident (less documents, for me this is shame no value for foreign worker and student even though they have good experience of Canadian life/culture)
- The language and knowledge requirement is extended to those 14 to 64 years of age (which means staff needs to train in order to handle minors and seniors and their special needs for test)
- Minister will make the decision without being required to hold a formal hearing (which means minister needs to learn the law in more formal ways)

There could be more but these are my guess.

 

[Munchenxx]

This kind of "when will the sword cut down" thesis would never end in this forum ..

Lets stop speculating here and enjoy our lives ,people..

 

[screech339]

I would say training might includes:
- Updated Citizenship applications forms, manuals,
- Updated Computer software to learn,
- Power of decision to the immigration officer to access eligibility,
- Probably a new file number instead of the old system which means new database,
- They have to follow up with old + new system (old applicants which are on queue and new who are applying)
- No credits given for the time spent before becoming Permanent resident (less documents, for me this is shame no value for foreign worker and student even though they have good experience of Canadian life/culture)
- The language and knowledge requirement is extended to those 14 to 64 years of age (which means staff needs to train in order to handle minors and seniors and their special needs for test)
- Minister will make the decision without being required to hold a formal hearing (which means minister needs to learn the law in more formal ways)

There could be more but these are my guess.

I would say training might includes:
- Updated Citizenship applications forms, manuals, (Not hard to do, update manual once and upload to website - no training required)
- Updated Computer software to learn, (Not hard to do, just update software once - no training required)
- Power of decision to the immigration officer to access eligibility, (some training required - 1 year is plenty)
- Probably a new file number instead of the old system which means new database, (This will likely affect processing time, won't delay the cutoff official date.)
- They have to follow up with old + new system (old applicants which are on queue and new who are applying) (There is no follow up to do - they will process the applicants under old system first before processing applicants under new system)
- No credits given for the time spent before becoming Permanent resident (less documents, for me this is shame no value for foreign worker and student even though they have good experience of Canadian life/culture) (Technically foreign worker/Students are in Canada temporarily, not permanently like PR - So path to citizenship should actually start the day you become PR)
- The language and knowledge requirement is extended to those 14 to 64 years of age (which means staff needs to train in order to handle minors and seniors and their special needs for test) (Why the extra staff, the same staff can handle the same special needs people as before. May cause longer processing time but won't delay official date.)
- Minister will make the decision without being required to hold a formal hearing (which means minister needs to learn the law in more formal ways) (Training is required - 1 year is plenty)

 

[keesio]

A very professional, well run organization with an emphasis on quality/efficiency and concerned about keeping their clients happy will no doubt take the time and resources to make sure everyone is properly trained and all documentation is updated before enacting a new process or procedure.