Effective date of Bill C24

[CanadianCountry]

Thats all ok. What i mean to say is that your spouse is not your dependent. She is an adult and has all the freedoms to seek work. So as under the laws she can never be your dependent.

She is your dependent IF lets say is disabled cannot take any work at all.

Er you name your spouse on your tax return and indicate your marital status. You could simply submit your marriage certificate to the CIC with your partners tax return if you wanted to.

 

[screech339]

For me I had to do labor job in Canada for 3 years.Now I have to do it for 4 years.But that 1 more year is so hard.I am so burned out.

No offense here, but what does working a job in Canada got to do with getting citizenship. Yes, working in Canada is sometimes hard. Is there a point you are trying to make?

The way you wrote it seems to imply you are only staying long enough to get citizenship and get out. Is that your intention?

 

[mathlete]

So now the Canadians can be happy that they will pay the bills of the Canadians of convenience, because now they have to stay in Canada physically.
If I am Canadian of convenience I would take this option with open arms, because its like living on someone else budget.

Canadians will pay their bills, but they will stay here paying the expenses of the Canadians of convenience... Canada is like a charity organization in that case.

I don't see how they increase the value of the Canadian citizenship.

There are really only two types of PRs in Canada family sponsored ones and economic ones. Those who are working are not costing citizens anything, they pay taxes, can't vote, can't run for office so are really 2nd class citizens. Those who are family sponsored are supposed to be sponsored by an individual who guarantees for a period of 5 years that they will cover any costs arising from that persons claims against the social system. I don't know how this plays out in practice but I have heard of the government going after guarantors for money. Basically if the system works as intended citizens should not be paying a dime for future Canadians Of Convenience (lets call them COCs) to reside here. If they are refugees well bad news they are not going anywhere, citizenship or no citizenship.

 

[mathlete]

No offense here, but what does working a job in Canada got to do with getting citizenship. Yes, working in Canada is sometimes hard. Is there a point you are trying to make?

He's trying to say (I think) that he is suffering through under-employment in order to support himself just until he qualifies for citizenship. Then he'll take his passport and go somewhere else.

 

[screech339]

There are really only two types of PRs in Canada family sponsored ones and economic ones. Those who are working are not costing citizens anything, they pay taxes, can't vote, can't run for office so are really 2nd class citizens. Those who are family sponsored are supposed to be sponsored by an individual who guarantees for a period of 5 years that they will cover any costs arising from that persons claims against the social system. I don't know how this plays out in practice but I have heard of the government going after guarantors for money. Basically if the system works as intended citizens should not be paying a dime for future Canadians Of Convenience (lets call them COCs) to reside here. If they are refugees well bad news they are not going anywhere, citizenship or no citizenship.

Actually, the spousal sponsor is responsible for 3 years not 5. Used to be 10 years at one point.

 

[mathlete]

Actually, the spousal sponsor is responsible for 3 years not 5. Used to be 10 years at one point.

I went the family sponsored route because I got married a few years after studying and then working here. I thought my wife signed up for 5 years but I guess it could have been less. I went the family route because it was faster and cheaper then the other way. I remember she phoned my pissed off because my lawyer didn't inform her that she had to support me for that period of time whether or not I was willing or able to do so myself. I told her "that's because he is MY lawyer"

 

[screech339]

I went the family sponsored route because I got married a few years after studying and then working here. I thought my wife signed up for 5 years but I guess it could have been less. I went the family route because it was faster and cheaper then the other way. I remember she phoned my pissed off because my lawyer didn't inform her that she had to support me for that period of time whether or not I was willing or able to do so myself. I told her "that's because he is MY lawyer"

Depending on how long ago did you land as PR. It is either 10 years or 3 years. There are some people I know that are still on the hook for 10 years despite the new 3 year change.

 

[mathlete]

Depending on how long ago did you land as PR. It is either 10 years or 3 years. There are some people I know that are still on the hook for 10 years despite the new 3 year change.

No way it was 10 years must have been 3 (this was 2009) Now I'm married and I'm the hook for lets see 10 ,20 er a lifetime of support

 

[MUFC]

Many PRs are in the same situation like Martin29, so I know their intentions... most of them think like " OK if Canada want to F*ck me up, then I will F*ck Canada back when they go for the time until the oath on welfare"

Do you think that this will have positive impact to the budget?

Because for the CoC the eligibility period might be a good long vacation, when they live on welfare.

I call that Canadian charity.

If I am Canadian I would be pissed off.

 

[mathlete]

Many PRs are in the same situation like Martin29, so I know their intentions... most of them think like " OK if Canada want to F*ck me up, then I will F*ck Canada back when they go for the time until the oath on welfare"

Do you think that this will have positive impact to the budget?

Because for the CoC the eligibility period might be a good long vacation, when they live on welfare.

I call that Canadian charity.

If I am Canadian I would be pissed off.

I just don't understand how they can claim welfare? Unless you screw over whoever signed your sponsor application. Furthermore why would an economic PR want to leave a high paid job for welfare?

 

[Martin29]

If I get citizenship and I am not going to get a good job in Canada of course I will work in another country.Here even a labor job is through agency and they suck 1/3 of your wage.I am not going to do labor job in this country rest of my life after 6 years college education.

But I will take citizenship for sure.I moved to this country thinking I will have a better life but now I cannot return back to my country and pretend I never migrated.I will be a looser then.The years and the money spend during immigration will all be wasted.

I have to gain something.

 

[MUFC]

I just don't understand how they can claim welfare? Unless you screw over whoever signed your sponsor application. Furthermore why would an economic PR want to leave a high paid job for welfare?

Many think like this... "Why would I work hard and breaking my back, when at the end I get the same money if all my family would go on welfare."
Actually I think that a family welfare even gives more money.

I am just saying their comments, but I know a lot of them are sucking very hard from the system. And they are not working. Canada is paying their bills.

Do you think that's fair for the ordinary Canadian, because this law will instigate more CoCs to do that, because they have to be here physically now.

 

[Martin29]

Depending on how long ago did you land as PR. It is either 10 years or 3 years. There are some people I know that are still on the hook for 10 years despite the new 3 year change.

Sponsor support for spouse is for 3 years.10 years is for others.My cousin was sponsored by his aunt.Its for 10 years.I read now if you sponsor parents its for 20 years.

 

[CanadianCountry]

And in some cases the whole family is on welfare and also working on cash jobs.

Many think like this... "Why would I work hard and breaking my back, when at the end I get the same money if all my family would go on welfare."
Actually I thin that a family welfare even gives more money.

I am just saying their comments, but I know a lot of them are sucking very hard from the system. And they are not working. Canada is paying their bills.

Do you think that's fair for the ordinary Canadian, because this law will instigate more CoCs to do that, because they have to be here physically now.

 

[MUFC]

And in some cases the whole family is on welfare and also working on cash jobs.

Exactly.
Frankly that's why I really don't see how this law is increasing the value of the Canadian citizenship, because it will instigate the CoCs to start sucking from the budget even more.
Moreover they will make sure that the quantity of CoCs is even more , because they are obliged to stay here physically now.

At least before they were out of the country, but now they will hit the budget even harder every month.