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Conservatives government obviously has not done yet with their destruction plans toward immigrant communities. Their next step could be to impose education and language requirements on foreign spouses who want to come under spousal sponsorship. They want to isolate immigrants from the rest of a 'white Canada'

Ottawa floats idea of making immigrant spouses meet language and education requirements
Critics fear such criteria, aimed at protecting and integrating immigrant women, would simply exclude them from being sponsored.
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Avvy Go, executive director of the Metro Toronto Chinese & Southeast Asian Legal Clinic, who attended one of the consultations, called the idea of putting educational and language demands on sponsored spouses “a direct attack on Canada’s family reunification program."VIEW 2 PHOTOSzoom
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Avvy Go, executive director of the Metro Toronto Chinese & Southeast Asian Legal Clinic, who attended one of the consultations, called the idea of putting educational and language demands on sponsored spouses “a direct attack on Canada’s family reunification program."

By: Nicholas Keung Immigration reporter, Published on Fri Mar 21 2014
The federal government is considering imposing language and education requirements on people whose husbands or wives want to sponsor them as immigrants, the Star has learned.
The notion, which community representatives say Immigration Minister Chris Alexander has floated in a series of consultations since January, has raised instant alarm.
Some attending the consultation say the possible change is aimed at better protecting and integrating immigrant women. But critics fear it would prevent many overseas spouses, particularly those from the developing world who haven’t learned English or French, from ever qualifying for family reunification.
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Citizenship and Immigration Minister Chris Alexander has suggested in consultations that allowing sponsorship only of spouses with English or French language skills and a certain level of education would help prevent spousal abuse and encourage better integration.zoom
The government is also considering requiring Canadian sponsors to reach a minimum income level to be eligible to bring in a wife, husband or children from abroad, critics say.
Alexander’s office would not confirm if language and education requirements are in the cards. It said the government is proud of its record of condemning intolerance, hatred, and barbaric cultural practices.
“We can’t say the same for Justin Trudeau, who has refused to call honour killings barbaric,” said Alexis Pavlich, the minister’s press secretary. “Everyone is expected to respect Canadian values and abide by Canadian laws.”
Lawyer Avvy Go, executive director of the Metro Toronto Chinese & Southeast Asian Legal Clinic, who attended one of the consultations, said such a move would be “a direct attack on Canada’s family reunification program.”
“We will go back to a bachelor society, like when Canada had its Chinese head tax in place and people were prevented from bringing their wives and children here,” she said.
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Alexander has been meeting with invited representatives of communities across Canada for input into a strategic plan to “strengthen the integrity of the immigration spousal sponsorship program.” In those meetings, he raised the idea of imposing the new requirements, some of those invited told the Star.
However, Pavlich, the minister’s press secretary, said it’s “irresponsible and unproductive” to characterize such discussions at the meetings as an indication of future policies.
“Just because the issues were raised by stakeholders at these roundtables, it does not mean they are about to become government policies,” she noted.
People who attended a consultation said Alexander cited the murder of an Afghanistan-born woman, Nasira Fazil, last July by her husband in Ajax, the minister’s own riding, as an example of why there is cause for concern.
“I am all for better protection of immigrant women,” said Debbie Douglas, executive director of the Ontario Council of Agencies Serving Immigrants, an umbrella group representing 200 organizations that provide newcomer settlement services.
“But keeping spouses with little English and without a high level of education from Canada is not going to protect immigrant women from violence.”
In the Ajax murder Alexander used as a prime example, the 31-year-old Fazil had actually come to Canada at the age of 6 and was not sponsored by her husband; in fact, she had sponsored him four years ago. Apparently, she did not seek outside help for her domestic problems.
“Highly educated Canadians whose first language is English do fall victims to abuse, too. It doesn’t discriminate,” said Douglas, pointing out that Fazil grew up in this culture and was a longtime Canadian.
Go said the minister had also discussed the possibility of new measures to deny polygamists entry to Canada, raise the minimum age for sponsored spouses from 16 to 18, and create self-employment incentives for immigrant women.
“Some of the ideas are good, but my biggest concern is the imposition of the new language, education and financial requirements,” said Go.
“I don’t question the motive of the government, but I question the potential outcome of those new requirements. If you are poor and if your spouse is not well educated and can’t speak English, then forget about bringing them to Canada.”
Mario Bellissimo, who chairs the Canadian Bar Association’s immigration law section and had not personally heard that the government might consider such measures, says it could be a further step by the Conservative government to shift Canada’s immigration system away from family reunification.
“We all agree that trying to deal with physical and mental abuse of women is a priority, but anything that would impact the precious status of spouses has to be closely and vigorously defended,” cautioned Bellissimo.
“One’s ability to develop his or her family goes right to the heart of the fundamental freedom of choice as human beings.”
 

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civic said:
...They want to isolate immigrants from the rest of a 'white Canada'...
While I imagine your post is TL:DR for most people, I couldn't help but reply to the line quoted above. Whatever their internal motivations or intentions, the ostensible reason for considering a language requirement is the opposite of what you stated. I'm not sure how I feel about all of this, but it is possible that spouses who do not speak the language or understand the culture will be MORE isolated, less likely and able to seek help should their Canadian sponsor turn out to be abusive. Additionally, there is concern that those who can't speak with citizens of the country to which they immigrate will have no desire/ability to assimilate into and participate in the culture of the country. That's something worth thinking about, at least, rather than reacting to. And regardless of whether or not a language requirement for incoming immigrants through spousal sponsorship is right or ever comes to fruition, learning one of the two official Canadian languages will do nothing but open more doors for incoming immigrants and allow them to be less isolated.
 

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If something like this is imposed it will more likely just be a language requirement. Which in light that sponsorship processing takes 1-2 years should allow the spouse being sponsored to attend english or french classes in their home country and come to Canada more prepared.

Those who are 1st generation of immigrants know very well that their parents who came here without or with limited language skills worked in jobs where the employer paid them less vs an English/French speaking Canadian for the same job, and in the end for many years they were exploited by employers because of no knowledge of English or little language skills etc.

So all in all this may not be a bad thing. All rules, laws and regulations in Canada are written in English and French (ie Employment Standards Act.) and it would only benefit the spouse to know their rights and responsibilities when they come to live and integrate in Canada.
 
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Well I think it makes sense, if you want to come live in another country so much, you should at least learn the language. However, I don't think the government should set the bar so high for the level of English they are required to speak. People can learn the language pretty quickly after a few years once they get started and are really dedicated to it. But I don't agree with a spouse entering Canada and not knowing and/or not wanting to learn English. You want to come live here so bad, you should learn the official language
 

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Additionally. Immigrants to Canada who do not speak the language and cannot read to understand rules, regulations and laws are at a huge disadvantage. Often time they feel intimidated. The mistreatment of new immigrants not only comes from their sponsors, it can come from anywhere and anyone, and unfortunately without being able to understand the laws that are in place to protect such new immigrant, the new immigrant our of fear may not report any wrongdoing. I think it is up to Canada to be diligent enough to at least ensure that a new immigrant coming into this country knows enough English to be able to understand the law, rules and regulations that are in place to protect and to ensure that the new immigrant coming here knows what is required of them with respect to abiding by the rules here.

One may argue, that the spouse who sponsored should be able to explain and translate for the new immigrant spouse. Yes, but what if by its omissions and erroneous translation unintentionally the sponsor leads the new immigrant spouse the wrong way. I can quote from real life stories as I volunteered at the Newcomers to Canada Office a few years back and heard and seen a lot.
 

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QuebecOkie said:
While I imagine your post is TL:DR for most people, I couldn't help but reply to the line quoted above. Whatever their internal motivations or intentions, the ostensible reason for considering a language requirement is the opposite of what you stated. I'm not sure how I feel about all of this, but it is possible that spouses who do not speak the language or understand the culture will be MORE isolated, less likely and able to seek help should their Canadian sponsor turn out to be abusive. Additionally, there is concern that those who can't speak with citizens of the country to which they immigrate will have no desire/ability to assimilate into and participate in the culture of the country. That's something worth thinking about, at least, rather than reacting to. And regardless of whether or not a language requirement for incoming immigrants through spousal sponsorship is right or ever comes to fruition, learning one of the two official Canadian languages will do nothing but open more doors for incoming immigrants and allow them to be less isolated.
I don't agree with that kind of new language requirement but I agree with QuebecOkie's comment that knowing the language will help with integration and give someone more control over their life. From traveling abroad, it is a helpless feeling when you are unable to communicate with the people there. Forcing someone to learn the local language is helping empower them.
 

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While being able to communicate in Canada is important for newcomers, the question is: someone with low education level or unable to learn one of the two languages (because they live in rural area in a very poor country, or because they just can't learn it well), they should not be allowed to be here with their Canadian spouses ...?

Since when the government gets so much power and interference in the choices of Canadian citizens for whom we will love and get married???
 

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civic said:
Since when the government gets so much power and interference in the choices of Canadian citizens for whom we will love and get married???
That is what government is all about. The bigger the government, the bigger control over our lives. That is what the tea party in the US is all about - limiting the size of their government.
 

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I can understand the government's position, however, I think they are going about it the wrong way. If both requirements become law, it is definitely going to keep out the spouses of many citizens and permanent residents.

A better alternative is to make it mandatory for spouses who do not speak/understand at least one of the official languages to attend a specified minimum number of english or french classes when they arrive and pass the tests. The results could be a requirement to obtain citizenship.

It is really important for someone to speak and understand the language of the country they live in. They don't have to be fluent, but functional should be the goal, at minimum. I recall many years ago when an immigrant father died in a car crash. We heard the wife had no clue how to use the bank card nor go grocery shopping. The husband did everything and they had a special needs child.
 

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they usually depict themselves as a government of love and care for everyone. the proposal appear as they care for domestic violence and women abuse. what behind this? the journalist named it very clearly: they want to further shift Canada to a non-family reunification immigration system. This is so communist when the government wants more and more power everyday. Canadian must be alerted in the next federal election, dont think immigration is a matter of outsiders and government can do whatever with it as long as the tax is kept low.

Is there any other country that could impose such a law to prospective immigrant spouses? Even for more restrictive places like Japan, Northern Europe, they do not require spouses to readily know everything about the country they never been to. Canada will be the only one and Conservative government will be the only government in the entire immigration history that could invent such rules.
 

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I can understand the government's position, however, I think they are going about it the wrong way. If both requirements become law, it is definitely going to keep out the spouses of many citizens and permanent residents.

A better alternative is to make it mandatory for spouses who do not speak/understand at least one of the official languages to attend a specified minimum number of english or french classes when they arrive and pass the tests. The results could be a requirement to obtain citizenship.

It is really important for someone to speak and understand the language of the country they live in. They don't have to be fluent, but functional should be the goal, at minimum. I recall many years ago when an immigrant father died in a car crash. We heard the wife had no clue how to use the bank card nor go grocery shopping. The husband did everything and they had a special needs child.
Totally agree here....but to be honest i do believe that the government is trying to lessen the amount of immigrants they intake every year
 

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Totally agree here....but to be honest i do believe that the government is trying to lessen the amount of immigrants they intake every year
Certainly true. The sentiment these days is one of a more anti-immigration stance. The politicians simply listen to public opinion. It's also why the opposition parties have been mild at best regarding their concerns over the new citizenship requirement proposals. The strongest comment I've heard so far was a comment from the NDP along the lines of "Reform of the Citizenship Act is needed. But there are some measures in the bill that we have some potential concerns about. We will need to examine the bill more before making any further comments". Not exactly a slam dunk here.
 

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civic said:
Is there any other country that could impose such a law to prospective immigrant spouses? Even for more restrictive places like Japan, Northern Europe, they do not require spouses to readily know everything about the country they never been to. Canada will be the only one and Conservative government will be the only government in the entire immigration history that could invent such rules.
Requiring someone to have sufficient ability in speaking English/French is hardly requiring them to "know everything about the country they never been to".

Canada would not be the only one. The UK already has a language requirement for sponsored spouses.


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A better alternative is to make it mandatory for spouses who do not speak/understand at least one of the official languages to attend a specified minimum number of english or french classes when they arrive and pass the tests. The results could be a requirement to obtain citizenship.
But how would this be enforced? CIC would have to make it a condition of PR, otherwise there's nothing to stop people from landing and then not attending the classes.

Sure, they could be required to go to the classes before they apply for citizenship but that does nothing to address the many (and sometimes many, many, many) years between getting PR and getting citizenship. Those first years are key to integrating and are when the language skills would be most beneficial. Also, what does it mean for the current language requirement in place when applying for citizenship? Those under 18 and over 54 years old are exempt; would they be exempt from this requirement as well?

Who will pay for these language classes? Will it be the taxpayers or the immigrants? What happens when people say that they cannot afford the classes? Given public sentiments towards immigration at the moment, subsidizing immigrant language courses would not be very popular.

CIC would have to track the attendance of PRs at these classes, review the test results, enforce penalties on those that fail etc. That's more manpower, more hours and more money being drawn away from processing applications.

If CIC decides to put this language requirement in place, it will most likely be the same as it is for economic immigrants. They will need to obtain a minimum score on the IELTS or another recognized test and submit that with their PR application.
 

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I think Canadians should be free to marry whoever they want. This government just sees people as $$$. But people are not dollar signs. I believe people are much more than cogs in the machine, or tax-paying robots.

It is legitimate to crack down on "marriages of convenience" because that has been a problem in the past. But if the marriage is true and genuine it should always be allowed.

Besides, the biggest scam in immigration right now are not "marriages of convenience" but fake LMO and TFW. But the government is helping those scams as much as possible, even tho it is detrimental to Canadians and causes a downward pressure on Canadians wages.
 

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Who will pay for these language classes? Will it be the taxpayers or the immigrants? What happens when people say that they cannot afford the classes? Given public sentiments towards immigration at the moment, subsidizing immigrant language courses would not be very popular.
FYI, all PRs in Canada today actually have several different types and levels of language classes that they can enroll in, completely free of charge. Here in Toronto they are offered through the public libraries.