ECOPR

[thanhtam23]

Hi, I thought we were all family class in here It is inland common law sponsorship.

what is your VO?

 

[alnimisogutuyorum]

what is your VO?

I thought/I was said it was Montreal for my virtual landing, parallel to that I see Montreal in "Became PR at". I see Etobicoke in "Issued at" though.

 

[unforgettableseries]

By looking at top of page:
Forums >> Immigration to Canada >> Family Sponsorship.

It's the basic organization of the site that there are sub-forums on different topics.

Family sponsorship can mean many things. And I would have no way to know common law inland without asking.

 

[armoured]

Family sponsorship can mean many things. And I would have no way to know common law inland without asking.

Well, I disagree that it can mean that many things: in this context it means only sponsorship of family members, through the family sponsorship applications. Logically enough.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/family-sponsorship.html

But it's not a criticism of you. Just explaining how it works on this site, if you post in the parts that aren't about your type of application, the questions and answers may not make sense (and timelines not correspond). Obviously there's some similarities between PR apps - but there are differences too.

It seems there may be crossed wires anyway - no requirement they all be 'common law inland', but some do ask about stream.

[There can be one big difference here - those who apply as outland and then complete the process while they are in Canada are not 'inland' and the p1-p2-ecopr process can be delayed if IRCC is switching the process). ]

anyway...

 

[unforgettableseries]

It seems there may be crossed wires anyway - no requirement they all be 'common law inland', but some do ask about stream.

[There can be one big difference here - those who apply as outland and then complete the process while they are in Canada are not 'inland' and the p1-p2-ecopr process can be delayed if IRCC is switching the process). ]

anyway...

And circle gets the square.

 

[unforgettableseries]

[There can be one big difference here - those who apply as outland and then complete the process while they are in Canada are not 'inland' and the p1-p2-ecopr process can be delayed if IRCC is switching the process). ]

anyway...

Well, it is not IRCC who is complicating/switching/delaying the process - it is the applicant.

This just sounds like an abuse of the system to get faster processing. Apply outland and the government wants to "unify the family" so they process the application faster, the individual then travels to get the required documentation / signatures, and goes inland. Said individual probably isn't concerned with cost but will find a way to complain anyways.

Although with the rampant abuse and exploitation of the immigration system (much of it documented on this site, but not this forum) nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[alnimisogutuyorum]

Well, it is not IRCC who is complicating/switching/delaying the process - it is the applicant.

This just sounds like an abuse of the system to get faster processing. Apply outland and the government wants to "unify the family" so they process the application faster, the individual then travels to get the required documentation / signatures, and goes inland. Said individual probably isn't concerned with cost but will find a way to complain anyways.

Although with the rampant abuse and exploitation of the immigration system (much of it documented on this site, but not this forum) nothing surprises me anymore.

What are you even talking about man, just chill, he was just explaining/trying to help you

 

[thanhtam23]

Family sponsorship can mean many things. And I would have no way to know common law inland without asking.

your question is "which stream" to which the answer is obvious since we are posting under Family Class
within Family Class, the total timeline might be significant different between inland and outland
however, it doesn't matter when it come to this stage (portal confirmation), does it?

 

[thanhtam23]

I thought/I was said it was Montreal for my virtual landing, parallel to that I see Montreal in "Became PR at". I see Etobicoke in "Issued at" though.

out of curiosity, how was you said it was Montreal? is it mentioned in your portal emails?

 

[armoured]

Well, it is not IRCC who is complicating/switching/delaying the process - it is the applicant.

This just sounds like an abuse of the system to get faster processing. Apply outland and the government wants to "unify the family" so they process the application faster, the individual then travels to get the required documentation / signatures, and goes inland. Said individual probably isn't concerned with cost but will find a way to complain anyways.

I don't see that as abuse, really. Until recently (or at least in last several years) there wasn't a big difference in processing times (and my guess is the current difference is probably an anomaly due to some older files - only a guess though).

If there's a big difference in timelines - any rational person is going to choose the one that's shown as 10 months instead of 28 (as is the case now). After all, they can already apply now as family class (outland) from within Canada.

Now a separate point is that since they have to get onboarded to the virtual landing, they might not gain much time anyway (at least if i"m right that the inland processing times currently posted are not really accurate).

But if they are: that's on the government. Because they can't police the difference (force people to apply under the longer process), it's on the government to make sure the difference doesn't get too large.

Again: any rational person would apply under the shorter one, once the difference gets too large.

 

[alnimisogutuyorum]

out of curiosity, how was you said it was Montreal? is it mentioned in your portal emails?

No worries. I do not remember seeing that detail in my portal emails. I remember seeing most of other applicants, either in here or any other groups, mentioning about their VLO was Montreal. So seeing that, in one of my calls I asked to ircc customer service person, they confirmed.

 

[unforgettableseries]

I don't see that as abuse, really. Until recently (or at least in last several years) there wasn't a big difference in processing times (and my guess is the current difference is probably an anomaly due to some older files - only a guess though).

If there's a big difference in timelines - any rational person is going to choose the one that's shown as 10 months instead of 28 (as is the case now). After all, they can already apply now as family class (outland) from within Canada.

Now a separate point is that since they have to get onboarded to the virtual landing, they might not gain much time anyway (at least if i"m right that the inland processing times currently posted are not really accurate).

But if they are: that's on the government. Because they can't police the difference (force people to apply under the longer process), it's on the government to make sure the difference doesn't get too large.

Again: any rational person would apply under the shorter one, once the difference gets too large.

Fair enough. I suppose it isn't "abuse"; just exploiting a loophole.

I think the government should simply just not allow people to switch, things like switching from outland to inland are what gums up the system.

Good conversation though.

 

[thanhtam23]

I don't see that as abuse, really. Until recently (or at least in last several years) there wasn't a big difference in processing times (and my guess is the current difference is probably an anomaly due to some older files - only a guess though).

If there's a big difference in timelines - any rational person is going to choose the one that's shown as 10 months instead of 28 (as is the case now). After all, they can already apply now as family class (outland) from within Canada.

Again: any rational person would apply under the shorter one, once the difference gets too large.

unless they do not know that they can because I’m still seeing many people asking whether they should go back to their home country to apply as outland

 

[unforgettableseries]

unless they do not know that they can because I’m still seeing many people asking whether they should go back to their home country to apply as outland

Previous commenter was right though. Outland / Inland will normalize in processing time eventually.

 

[armoured]

Fair enough. I suppose it isn't "abuse"; just exploiting a loophole.

But it's not a loophole! It's a thing they have purposefully created, since they know that some people in Canada ('inland') may have to leave during the process.

I think the government should simply just not allow people to switch, things like switching from outland to inland are what gums up the system.

There's not even any switching going on. The only thing that's changed is adding virtual landing, which is really just changing the system from 'by mail' to online. Other than that, the process under which one applies and gets approved hasn't changed - only the landing process.

They did add OWP for outland apps, which I think is just reasonable recognition that there's no reason to keep people from working - with small caveat that I think there is some abuse on the edges, they need a way to cancel the OWPs as soon as the application withdrawn or refused.

(Oh and they got rid of flagpoling - which was good for some reasons, but bad in the sense that virtual landing isn't consistently faster.)

Good conversation though.

Agreed )