ECA for skill transferability factors

[hamoonExpressEntry]

Hi friend,

I'd appreciate if someone could help with the following. Thanks a lot!

Based on CIC website

"two or more post secondary program" + CLB 7 = 25 pts
"two or more post secondary program" + 1 year of Canadian work experience = 25

I have a non-Canadian bachelor degree and a Canadian master's degree. I did not do ECA for my non-Canadian bachelor degree. Would that cause a problem? Please note that I have not claimed I have gotten ECA for my degrees on my profile, but I have gotten those points, and now I am worried because I am probably going to get an ITA in the next draw.

 

[IndianJack]

Hi friend,

I'd appreciate if someone could help with the following. Thanks a lot!

Based on CIC website

"two or more post secondary program" + CLB 7 = 25 pts
"two or more post secondary program" + 1 year of Canadian work experience = 25

I have a non-Canadian bachelor degree and a Canadian master's degree. I did not do ECA for my non-Canadian bachelor degree. Would that cause a problem? Please note that I have not claimed I have gotten ECA for my degrees on my profile, but I have gotten those points, and now I am worried because I am probably going to get an ITA in the next draw.

You don't need an ECA for a Canadian degree.
A Master's degree is rated higher than "Two or more.."
Your Canadian Master's will fetch you the required points.

 

[hamoonExpressEntry]

My friend that is unfortunately not the case with my application. I got 135 points for my Canadian degree. That is completely OK. The problem is that I got skill transferability's 25 points only because I have two degrees. And that is the problem. Should I remove my non-Canadian degree from my profile to be safe?

 

[Asivad Anac]

My friend that is unfortunately not the case with my application. I got 135 points for my Canadian degree. That is completely OK. The problem is that I got skill transferability's 25 points only because I have two degrees. And that is the problem. Should I remove my non-Canadian degree from my profile to be safe?

Not really.

You got those points under Skills Transferability because your Canadian Masters degree ranks higher than '2 or more..' option. Even if you remove your Bachelors from your application, your points won't change. You can safely remove your Bachelors from your Education section.

 

[IndianJack]

My friend that is unfortunately not the case with my application. I got 135 points for my Canadian degree. That is completely OK. The problem is that I got skill transferability's 25 points only because I have two degrees. And that is the problem. Should I remove my non-Canadian degree from my profile to be safe?

How do you know that you got the required points because of two degrees?
Anyways, you can safely remove your non-Canadian degree from your profile.
Your Master's will fetch you the points.

 

[hamoonExpressEntry]

Not really.

You got those points under Skills Transferability because your Canadian Masters degree ranks higher than '2 or more..' option. Even if you remove your Bachelors from your application, your points won't change. You can safely remove your Bachelors from your Education section.

Asivad thanks a lot for replying my friend. You are more helpful to us more than CIC agents or anyone for that matter.

Asviad if I remove my non-Canadian education from my profile, then I am going to have only one credentials. Then instead of 25 points, I am going to get 13 points. I have no problem removing my bachelor and loosing this 12 points, but would not that be a misrepresentation? Because they are clearly asking me to enter all my post-secondary degrees?

I even said no to the following question:
Has hamoonExpressEntry had an Educational Credential Assessment (ECA) within the past five years for this degree, diploma or certificate? (It must have been from an agency approved by CIC.)

 

[IndianJack]

Asivad thanks a lot for replying my friend. You are more helpful to us more than CIC agents or anyone for that matter.

Asviad if I remove my non-Canadian education from my profile, then I am going to have only one credentials. Then instead of 25 points, I am going to get 13 points. I have no problem removing my bachelor and loosing this 12 points, but would not that be a misrepresentation? Because they are clearly asking me to enter all my post-secondary degrees?

I even said no to the following question:
Has hamoonExpressEntry had an Educational Credential Assessment (ECA) within the past five years for this degree, diploma or certificate? (It must have been from an agency approved by CIC.)

You will not lose any points.
Masters + CLB 7 will get you 25 points.
Check in the CIC CRS calculator to clear your doubts.

 

[hamoonExpressEntry]

Skill transferability says:

"Two or more post-secondary program credentials AND at least one of these credentials was issued on completion of a post-secondary program of three years or longer" + 1 year Canadian experience = 25

and it says:

"Post-secondary program credential of one year or longer" + 1 year Canadian experience = 13.

So since my master's was 2 years and not 3 years I am clearly getting the points for the bachelor which was 4 years long. It is true that master's is the higher level of education, but bachelor is contributing to the points here.

 

[hamoonExpressEntry]

CIC says:

You will need to get an ECA for your foreign degree, diploma or certificate if:

you want to be considered for the Federal Skilled Worker Program (FSWP) under Express Entry, and
you are a principal applicant, and
you got your education outside Canada, or
you want to receive Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) points for your foreign education
for yourself as an Express Entry candidate, or
for your spouse or common-law partner coming with you to Canada.

 

[IndianJack]

Skill transferability says:

"Two or more post-secondary program credentials AND at least one of these credentials was issued on completion of a post-secondary program of three years or longer" + 1 year Canadian experience = 25

and it says:

"Post-secondary program credential of one year or longer" + 1 year Canadian experience = 13.

So since my master's was 2 years and not 3 years I am clearly getting the points for the bachelor which was 4 years long. It is true that master's is the higher level of education, but bachelor is contributing to the points here.

Masters is not a "post secondary certificate". Its a "postgraduate degree" and is ranked higher than "two or more..."
Anything ranked higher than "two or more..." + CLB 7 will fetch you 25 points.
Calculate your score without including your bachelors here:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp
If you get your 25 points, please come back here and thank Asivad, and yours truly.

 

[Asivad Anac]

Asivad thanks a lot for replying my friend. You are more helpful to us more than CIC agents or anyone for that matter.

Asviad if I remove my non-Canadian education from my profile, then I am going to have only one credentials. Then instead of 25 points, I am going to get 13 points. I have no problem removing my bachelor and loosing this 12 points, but would not that be a misrepresentation? Because they are clearly asking me to enter all my post-secondary degrees?

I even said no to the following question:
Has hamoonExpressEntry had an Educational Credential Assessment (ECA) within the past five years for this degree, diploma or certificate? (It must have been from an agency approved by CIC.)

I'm certain that you will continue to get 25 points purely based on your Canadian Masters credential because a Masters credential implies at least a 3 year Bachelors credential in the past as does a PhD credential. Both of those rank higher than '2 or more..' option. So you don't need to provide an ECA for your Bachelors.

It will not be a misrepresentation. A lot of applicants in Jan/Feb did not do their ECAs because they had LMIAs netting them 600 points so there was no point in wasting time, effort and money on an ECA.

 

[hamoonExpressEntry]

Thanks guys for the comments.

IndianJack I am aware of the calculator but it is not 100% reliable. Even they say:
"This tool is intended solely for general guidance and reference purposes. In the event of any discrepancy between the results of this questionnaire and that provided by the Express Entry electronic system, the results provided by the system shall govern, in accordance with provisions of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, and Minister's Instructions issued under IRPA s.10.3. This tool will be updated from time to time in accordance with changes to the Ministerial Instructions governing Express Entry."

I am going to remove my bachelor from my profile as Asivad is suggesting.

Thanks again

 

[hamoonExpressEntry]

Just one more note for other people who are concerned about the education level:

I am aware that master's is higher in their chart than the "Two or more post secondary" level, BUT for skill transferability the highest level mentioned in the chart and in the ministerial instructions is "Two or more post secondary". There is no master's level. This is the reason for the confusion. Please refer to the skill transferability section of

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/grid-crs.asp#a3

or even more detailed in here:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/mi/express-entry.asp

The whole chart is copied here for skill transferability and unlike the highest level of education section it does not have a Master's or PhD section:

"(a) 0 points, if the foreign national has a secondary school credential, regardless of their Canadian work experience;
(b) 13 points, if the foreign national has a post-secondary program credential of one year or more and one year of Canadian work experience;
(c) 25 points, if the foreign national has a post-secondary program credential of one year or more and two or more years of Canadian work experience;
(d) 25 points, if the foreign national has two or more post-secondary program credentials, one of which was issued on completion of a post-secondary program of three years or more, and one year of Canadian work experience; and
(e) 50 points, if the foreign national has two or more post-secondary program credentials, one of which was issued on completion of a post-secondary program of three years or more, and two or more years of Canadian work experience."

 

[Asivad Anac]

Just one more note for other people who are concerned about the education level:

I am aware that master's is higher in their chart than the "Two or more post secondary" level, BUT for skill transferability the highest level mentioned in the chart and in the ministerial instructions is "Two or more post secondary". There is no master's level. This is the reason for the confusion. Please refer to the skill transferability section of

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/grid-crs.asp#a3

or even more detailed in here:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/mi/express-entry.asp

The whole chart is copied here for skill transferability and unlike the highest level of education section it does not have a Master's or PhD section:

"(a) 0 points, if the foreign national has a secondary school credential, regardless of their Canadian work experience;
(b) 13 points, if the foreign national has a post-secondary program credential of one year or more and one year of Canadian work experience;
(c) 25 points, if the foreign national has a post-secondary program credential of one year or more and two or more years of Canadian work experience;
(d) 25 points, if the foreign national has two or more post-secondary program credentials, one of which was issued on completion of a post-secondary program of three years or more, and one year of Canadian work experience; and
(e) 50 points, if the foreign national has two or more post-secondary program credentials, one of which was issued on completion of a post-secondary program of three years or more, and two or more years of Canadian work experience."

True.

Also true that Masters, PhD and Entry-to-practice professional degree ranks higher than '2 or more..' option for points on both Education and Skills Transferability.

Check here ---> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/eca-conversion.asp

You get the highest points for a PhD and 2nd highest points for the other 2. And if you possess any of these, a lower educational credential need not be demonstrated or even be a part of your application. Having said that, I'm still not certain if entry-to-practice professional degree nets you the Skills Transferability points because, technically, it doesn't imply another post-secondary credential but I'm fairly sure that it is treated on par with a Masters credential. If someone can confirm that, we can have conclusive proof of that as well.

 

[hamoonExpressEntry]

This makes a lot of sense Asivad.