Duration of Work Experience ( in Days??)

[anti_maniac]

I am at CRS of 463, just created my Express Entry profile and have a doubt which might bring my score down by 7 points. ( i have an option to add my spouse's qualification and also IELTS to take the score up but it would take time to get all that paperwork. And i am trying to weigh - if i should delay or not )

My doubt :

Considering the tool (express entry profile creator) for CRS points takes "months" ( for start and end time of a job) but what happens if somebody is couple of days less...as an example
- person X started his job in canada on 19th Jan'2010 and left canada on 15th Jan'2015

Now as per info on EE profile, he would fill Jan'2010 to Jan'2015 and tool would give 70 points assuming five years of canadian experience. Though in reality its 4 days less than five years.

Also what should person fill in on EE profile, if he fills Jan to Jan....he is not lying. So the question is that the application processing eventually post ITA counts days (to calculate time in months) or rounds it to nearest month. ( as people on forum generally wrote Month'Year to Month-1,Year+1 to be counted as one year. Which as an example means Feb'2014 to Jan'2015 is counted as one, and that as well according to me is dicey).

Any reflections/comments?

(EDIT : btw i was on a 40 hour/week full time job, does that make a difference? i mean 10 hours over required threshold for more than 4 years....to compensate for 4 days less than 5 years based on total hours to be more than whats required in 5 hours)

 

[wenfeizh]

I think you should always be truthful with your application. I know what you are saying, the profile doesnt ask you to put days on it. So you are not lying while putting Jan-Jan. But you ARE 4 days short so that shouldnt be counted as one year experience.

Of course, with that being said, i dont know how IRCC will find out if you are 4 days short. But I have read on this forum that dont apply even if you are 1 day short...

 

[anti_maniac]

I think you should always be truthful with your application. I know what you are saying, the profile doesnt ask you to put days on it. So you are not lying while putting Jan-Jan. But you ARE 4 days short so that shouldnt be counted as one year experience.

Of course, with that being said, i dont know how IRCC will find out if you are 4 days short. But I have read on this forum that dont apply even if you are 1 day short...

thanks for coming back, i understand what you are pointing. But what am unsure about is what to say in Express Entry profile....should i reduce by a month (that itself is false info).

@how would they find out, i believe when they ask for employment letters / proofs they would figure out exact dates. Though if they use months or dates there on is what am unsure of.

trying to act too fair, might also lead to loosing opportunity... so instead of drawing a line based on guess work i though if somebody has more insight based on their experience or similar ... ( eg. on ITA, when filling forms are exact dates required or its still months. Because if its still months then i believe its all ok but suddenly if they become date savvy then i would step back )

 

[ifeedly]

“full-time work” means at least 30 hours of
work over a period of one week. for your class.

I think you should follow the pattern established by CIC\IRCC and fill-up the application as they have set it up.
In any case there is nothing you could do and by following the instructions you are not getting into misrepresentation.

on second thoughts why not add your wife's qualifications? and taking IELTS? there is nothing wrong in putting your best foot forward.

 

[anti_maniac]

on second thoughts why not add your wife's qualifications? and taking IELTS? there is nothing wrong in putting your best foot forward.

i agree fully, though i was trying to avoid any further delay ( i waited 10 months for LMIA and got rejection unfortunately...). So may be i would pull back my EE profile (or not accept ITA if i get one in coming weeks) and add my spouse Degree evaluation papers + IELTS.

 

[ifeedly]

I guess, you already have all the info to make a decision.
Go ahead make the decision. IELTS is the fastest option.
last draw was on April 6th and cutoff was 470.

 

[jes_ON]

Considering the tool (express entry profile creator) for CRS points takes "months" ( for start and end time of a job) but what happens if somebody is couple of days less...as an example
- person X started his job in canada on 19th Jan'2010 and left canada on 15th Jan'2015
The date that the person "left Canada" is very unlikely to be the same day as the last day of employment in Canada, which is the relevant date....

Now as per info on EE profile, he would fill Jan'2010 to Jan'2015 and tool would give 70 points assuming five years of canadian experience. Though in reality its 4 days less than five years.

That's a tough question. Sometimes if you're short by just 1-2 days the VO will give you credit for that year. Other times, they won't. Unfortunately, it's a gamble with no clear-cut answer.

Also what should person fill in on EE profile, if he fills Jan to Jan....he is not lying.
No, he is not. So you fill it in that way...

So the question is that the application processing eventually post ITA counts days (to calculate time in months) or rounds it to nearest month. ( as people on forum generally wrote Month'Year to Month-1,Year+1 to be counted as one year. Which as an example means Feb'2014 to Jan'2015 is counted as one, and that as well according to me is dicey).

You are right about the way the online system calculates points, and you are right about it being dicey, because CIC/IRCC will tell you, it is up to YOU (not the system) to ensure that you meet the requirements at the time you apply.

What would happen is - if this person gets an ITA, CIC/IRCC will calculate the score themselves based on the actual dates. If they give credit for the 5th year, great - but if they don't, they will subtract the extra 7 points, and then compare the new CRS with the threshold for the draw. If the applicant's new CRS is still above the threshold, again, no problem. If the applicant's new CRS is below the threshold, then they no longer qualify for that draw and will be refused. (And yes, IRCC keeps the application fee...)

The only thing you can do is submit your profile and wait for the draw. If you get the ITA but know that your "true" CRS is below the threshold, the best thing to do is reject the ITA and remain in the pool, and hope that the next draw will allow you to apply.

(EDIT : btw i was on a 40 hour/week full time job, does that make a difference? i mean 10 hours over required threshold for more than 4 years....to compensate for 4 days less than 5 years based on total hours to be more than whats required in 5 hours)


No, it does not make a difference. Any job that is "30 hours or more" is simply full-time...

 

[jes_ON]

I am at CRS of 463, just created my Express Entry profile and have a doubt which might bring my score down by 7 points. ( i have an option to add my spouse's qualification and also IELTS to take the score up but it would take time to get all that paperwork. And i am trying to weigh - if i should delay or not )

Since including your wife is required (unless she plans to not come to Canada), and including her without taking advantage of her potential points actually reduces your score, the best option is to add those to your profile...

Just a note, if it is an option - the CELPIP is an alternative to the IELTS, she can take it online, so it is often faster to do the CELPIP than to wait for a spot to take the IELTS...

 

[anti_maniac]

Since including your wife is required (unless she plans to not come to Canada), and including her without taking advantage of her potential points actually reduces your score, the best option is to add those to your profile...

Just a note, if it is an option - the CELPIP is an alternative to the IELTS, she can take it online, so it is often faster to do the CELPIP than to wait for a spot to take the IELTS...

thanks for coming back ( and apologies for late acknowledgement ).

that dicey part you pointed to is what am nervous about, and i guessed it might be purely a VO discretion or it might be a well defined policy somewhere. But seems not. Thanks for detailed answers anyway.

CELPIP is not an option in the country where i live, IELTS is ...may be i would take a test date for her. Thanks again for the time/answers