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[er2d2g]

Folks,

Do i need a transit visa for Heathrow or Amsterdam when transiting through these airports with PR Visa(Indian national).

Of these two, which transit route do you guys recommend.

Thanks.

you do not need a visa
I have been through both those routes. Personally I would choose Amsterdam over Heathrow.
hope this helps
er2d2g

 

[bombastic4ever]

Dear forum members
I need urgent advice..........as i shared before my FSW application has refused on basis of my work place and experience and banned me for 2 yrs , which is shocking for me as i sent documents like my company chairman letter to prove my exp and job.but even then they refused my application .my age is 45 yrs and my kids r now more than 20yrs old as rules i will be unable to get age points and my children will cross the age limit for immigration as a dependent.
I consulted with different people, lawyers , some of them eci should go for appeal directly and some suggested i should write letter first CHC for reversal of refusal letter .My consultant is of the view that CHC at London will not give importance to such letter before appeal bcs they always uphold the decision of VO. Please senior and junior forum members advise me what are chances of reversal of refusal letter at CHC London and of appeal at court.i am v.confused bcs this is my last chance and i don't want to lose it.

An early response is requested please.
JazakALLAH

Am really sorry to hear about your story, what one of your managers or colleagues did is not professional nor ethical! However, I believe the refusal letter should have instructions on how to appeal and challenge the refusal. I advice you to do the following:

1- Hire a Canadian based well reputed lawyer.
2- explain thoroughly what went wrong and fetch as much information as possible.
3- write a letter (Very strong letter) explaining to CIC what exactly happened and explain the full situation with all the possible proofs.
4- Be sure that Allah is on your side.

Wish you all the best, and keep praying and ask Allah for help and hope for the best!

 

[rizmayo]

Msaeed,
Does it mean that CIC verifies with the present employer ? Would they contact other employee other than the signatory on the reference letter ?

They may contact current and previous employer. They don't always ask to talk to the signatory on the reference letter. Most of the time they will talk to HR department, however they have been known (very rarely and if the company is small) to talk to random people in the company and if that person has been in the company longer then you, they will inquire about you.

Regards,

 

[mathrania]

I applied for fswp 2014, i mentioned Abu Dhabi as my visa office. What woul the CIC do? They will ask me to ssend the form again?

 

[sherdills]

I applied for fswp 2014, i mentioned Abu Dhabi as my visa office. What woul the CIC do? They will ask me to ssend the form again?

One of my friends did exactly the same in 2013 FWSP; submitted the application in July 2013 and gpt his visa stamped in July 2014. I hope and wish it will not create any problem for you based on the case history we have. Good Luck

 

[KUKOO]

Am really sorry to hear about your story, what one of your managers or colleagues did is not professional nor ethical! However, I believe the refusal letter should have instructions on how to appeal and challenge the refusal. I advice you to do the following:

1- Hire a Canadian based well reputed lawyer.
2- explain thoroughly what went wrong and fetch as much information as possible.
3- write a letter (Very strong letter) explaining to CIC what exactly happened and explain the full situation with all the possible proofs.
4- Be sure that Allah is on your side.

Wish you all the best, and keep praying and ask Allah for help and hope for the best!

aoa
thx bro for your suggestions .Jazakallh

 

[KUKOO]

Sir

If you have reasons and evidences to prove , then where issues are.
On another thread , I advised you to see your CEO , discuss and share with him your GCMS , get letter from him that an employee due to professional jealousy has misguided CIC /CHC .

Move logically and with proofs

For me consultants are those , to whom we present "Ready To Eat , Decorated Dish / Cake" , they pack this in their own branded box , and makes huge profits on our hard work

If you are interested in filling appeal , hire a Canadian lawyer , do not waste your resources on local consultants , invest them with a lawyer. If you are interested in wasting time and money , hire Tahir Ul Qadri

Stay Blessed

aoa
dear brother thx for your suggestion. i m intouch with canadian lawyer....let c .need your prayres and advices.
Jazalallah

 

[siryasir]

Dear Friends,

I am in a dilemma, pls help.

I worked in Dubai between Mar 2006 till Sept 2008 as Property Consultant and Real Estate Sales Manager. My Company is closed now but I have got hold of Director and he is ready to give me reference letter on a plain paper as there is no letter head available now.

My company made me work on Visit Visa in Dubai in 2006 for initial 9 months which include 6 months of probationary period as they wanted to see my progress first and only then wanted to issue me employment visa. I guess it was an usual practise in smaller companies back then to employ on Visit Visa for few months specially in Sales. From mar 2006 till Jan 2007 I was working on visit visa which was extended by the company every 3 months. I was given offer letter in March 2006 so I was ideally an employee of the company and therefore based on my work experience right from Mar 2006 till Sept 2008 I am claiming points for FSW for 2.5 years of work-exp.

My employment visa was initially arranged and issued by a subsidiary company of my employer and only after a year this Visa was cancelled and I was transferred on the employment Visa of my Actual employer. Both these Visa are stamped on my passport including all those visit Visas. Would this be any issue for CIC since my Offer letter and reference letter state the Actual employer and not the subsidiary company ??

Will they consider my 2.5 years of exp including the time I worked on Visit Visa, or they may raise a red flag on me since I was working on Visit Visa in a different country.

Can someone pls help...If there are any issues in my experience, any solution for this situation? :'( :'(

 

[nishesh3003]

aoa
dear brother thx for your suggestion. i m intouch with canadian lawyer....let c .need your prayres and advices.
Jazalallah

Kukoo

Sorry to hear that but for what reason did CIC 'ban' you ??

 

[nishesh3003]

Dear Friends,

I am in a dilemma, pls help.

I worked in Dubai between Mar 2006 till Sept 2008 as Property Consultant and Real Estate Sales Manager. My Company is closed now but I have got hold of Director and he is ready to give me reference letter on a plain paper as there is no letter head available now.

My company made me work on Visit Visa in Dubai in 2006 for initial 9 months which include 6 months of probationary period as they wanted to see my progress first and only then wanted to issue me employment visa. I guess it was an usual practise in smaller companies back then to employ on Visit Visa for few months specially in Sales. From mar 2006 till Jan 2007 I was working on visit visa which was extended by the company every 3 months. I was given offer letter in March 2006 so I was ideally an employee of the company and therefore based on my work experience right from Mar 2006 till Sept 2008 I am claiming points for FSW for 2.5 years of work-exp.

My employment visa was initially arranged and issued by a subsidiary company of my employer and only after a year this Visa was cancelled and I was transferred on the employment Visa of my Actual employer. Both these Visa are stamped on my passport including all those visit Visas. Would this be any issue for CIC since my Offer letter and reference letter state the Actual employer and not the subsidiary company ??

Will they consider my 2.5 years of exp including the time I worked on Visit Visa, or they may raise a red flag on me since I was working on Visit Visa in a different country.

Can someone pls help...If there are any issues in my experience, any solution for this situation? :'( :'(

First of all - DO NOT show CIC that you were 'employed' on a Visit Visa because technically you were not. It is not legal in the UAE and it is not legal anywhere as far as my knowledge can help me. I believe you did not receive an Emirates ID during the period for which you were on Visit ? If so, which probably is, then the legality of the matter needs no further debate.

And I do not think it will be a misrep. of facts because you were not legally and technically 'employed' during that period. Its based on mutual understanding between the employer and the employee but that does not negate the fact that it was not in compliance to the UAE labor laws.

If you were on a Visit for 1 year - strike that period out of your total experience and show it as 'Visit' in your background declaration form. Only mention the dates starting from when you were issued an employment VISA in the UAE as your starting period of exp.

If you mention employment status for the duration of your Visit Visa - it will be a huge RED flag in my opinion.

Furthermore if your offer letter states that actual employer then its fine. Just explain the situation in a cover letter.

But if the offer letter's start date includes the period of Visit Visa - then we have a problem. I don't think that is the case, is it ?

 

[Indian applicant]

Dear Friends,

I am in a dilemma, pls help.

I worked in Dubai between Mar 2006 till Sept 2008 as Property Consultant and Real Estate Sales Manager. My Company is closed now but I have got hold of Director and he is ready to give me reference letter on a plain paper as there is no letter head available now.

My company made me work on Visit Visa in Dubai in 2006 for initial 9 months which include 6 months of probationary period as they wanted to see my progress first and only then wanted to issue me employment visa. I guess it was an usual practise in smaller companies back then to employ on Visit Visa for few months specially in Sales. From mar 2006 till Jan 2007 I was working on visit visa which was extended by the company every 3 months. I was given offer letter in March 2006 so I was ideally an employee of the company and therefore based on my work experience right from Mar 2006 till Sept 2008 I am claiming points for FSW for 2.5 years of work-exp.

My employment visa was initially arranged and issued by a subsidiary company of my employer and only after a year this Visa was cancelled and I was transferred on the employment Visa of my Actual employer. Both these Visa are stamped on my passport including all those visit Visas. Would this be any issue for CIC since my Offer letter and reference letter state the Actual employer and not the subsidiary company ??

Will they consider my 2.5 years of exp including the time I worked on Visit Visa, or they may raise a red flag on me since I was working on Visit Visa in a different country.

Can someone pls help...If there are any issues in my experience, any solution for this situation? :'( :'(

i beg to differ from some... If you have really worked and gained experience in the same NOC code that you have applied, please state that. It is not your fault that you could get employment visa. State the facts about probation period, regularization and sister concern etc. I only foresee the issue of 'no letter head'. Would you have pay stubs ? We all know the real estate boom and the burst in UAE or world over.

 

[nishesh3003]

i beg to differ from some... If you have really worked and gained experience in the same NOC code that you have applied, please state that. It is not your fault that you could get employment visa. State the facts about probation period, regularization and sister concern etc. I only foresee the issue of 'no letter head'. Would you have pay stubs ? We all know the real estate boom and the burst in UAE or world over.

My understanding is this - Employment, as any other contract, involves the mutual consent of 2 parties; the employer and the employee.

So if a person has agreed to work as an employee for a company without the proper legal formalities, then that person is IN IT as much as the hiring employer. You were not coerced into employment. You 'agreed' to it.

Rest I leave to the OP's judgement.

 

[siryasir]

First of all - DO NOT show CIC that you were 'employed' on a Visit Visa because technically you were not. It is not legal in the UAE and it is not legal anywhere as far as my knowledge can help me. I believe you did not receive an Emirates ID during the period for which you were on Visit ? If so, which probably is, then the legality of the matter needs no further debate.

And I do not think it will be a misrep. of facts because you were not legally and technically 'employed' during that period. Its based on mutual understanding between the employer and the employee but that does not negate the fact that it was not in compliance to the UAE labor laws.

If you were on a Visit for 1 year - strike that period out of your total experience and show it as 'Visit' in your background declaration form. Only mention the dates starting from when you were issued an employment VISA in the UAE as your starting period of exp.

If you mention employment status for the duration of your Visit Visa - it will be a huge RED flag in my opinion.

Furthermore if your offer letter states that actual employer then its fine. Just explain the situation in a cover letter.

But if the offer letter's start date includes the period of Visit Visa - then we have a problem. I don't think that is the case, is it ?

Dear Nishesh Thanks for your response.

I joined in March 2006 and so the offer letter's start date includes the period of Visit Visa i.e March 2006. Since it says that I would be on 6 months probation and only after that my employment would be confirmed based on my performance in these 6 months.

Offer letter was given by the actual employer but Employment Visa was issued under the name of subsidiary company of my actual employer, however this visa was cancelled after 1 year and I was issued Employment Visa by my actual employer whose name was mentioned on my offer letter as well as on my stamped Visa.

Emirates ID did not exist at that time as far as I know. It used to be labor card which was issued only after 9-10 months when I was given employment visa in JANUARY 2007 by the employer.

What do you suggest? If I would show my employment from Feb 2007 ( which is when my employment Visa was stamped) till Sept 2008 I would lose 1 whole year which would reduce my 2 points. I was thinking of claiming 11 points for 2 .5 years of total work exp. :'( :'(

 

[siryasir]

i beg to differ from some... If you have really worked and gained experience in the same NOC code that you have applied, please state that. It is not your fault that you could get employment visa. State the facts about probation period, regularization and sister concern etc. I only foresee the issue of 'no letter head'. Would you have pay stubs ? We all know the real estate boom and the burst in UAE or world over.

Thanks Indian Applicant.

No we were given cash so no pay stubs.

That leads to another confusion, after few months we were working on commission structure and no salary was given, it was 50-50 commission. Will no salary and only commission would be considered as a PAID employment by CIC or not ?

 

[nishesh3003]

Dear Nishesh Thanks for your response.

I joined in March 2006 and so the offer letter's start date includes the period of Visit Visa i.e March 2006. Since it says that I would be on 6 months probation and only after that my employment would be confirmed based on my performance in these 6 months.

Offer letter was given by the actual employer but Employment Visa was issued under the name of subsidiary company of my actual employer, however this visa was cancelled after 1 year and I was issued Employment Visa by my actual employer whose name was mentioned on my offer letter as well as on my stamped Visa.

Emirates ID did not exist at that time as far as I know. It used to be labor card which was issued only after 9-10 months when I was given employment visa in JANUARY 2007 by the employer.

What do you suggest? If I would show my employment from Feb 2007 ( which is when my employment Visa was stamped) till Sept 2008 I would lose 1 whole year which would reduce my 2 points. I was thinking of claiming 11 points for 2 .5 years of total work exp. :'( :'(

I will tell you my case as an example (I will take example dates for myself).

I joined my organization in July 2013. My work visa came in August 2013. So for a good 4 weeks I was working on Visit Visa.

BUT - during this period the work visa was UNDER PROCESS by the ministry of labor. This was attested and provided in written by my employer on a letter head which i submitted to CIC in my App.

In your case - both parties agreed to work on a VISA that does not allow such activity to be legally carried out in the UAE. Am i right ?

I would strongly suggest that you consult a lawyer.

You could go ahead with your application and submit it with all the explanations but weigh your risks before hand (which may be a lot by the looks of it).