Dual Intent

[MARLENA]

Leon did u apply inland or outland?

 

[lisa_joanne_uk]

Thanks Leon
I've only looked at doing inland spnsorship though, what would be needed to do outland sponsorship? Would i need to come back to the UK?
Lisa

 

[Leon]

Leon did u apply inland or outland?

Neither, I do not have personal experience of family class sponsorship.

 

[lisa_joanne_uk]

Ok thankyou
Lisa

 

[Leon]

Thanks Leon
I've only looked at doing inland spnsorship though, what would be needed to do outland sponsorship? Would i need to come back to the UK?
Lisa

Generally the outland is faster to the point of getting PR but IF there is an interview, you would have to come back to the UK. An outland right now takes 35 days in Canada for the sponsorship part of the application and then goes to the UK and takes and average of 3 months there, see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/international/05-fc-spouses.asp#europe and then you would have PR.

If you go with inland, you could expect to have first stage approval and work permit (if you applied for one) in average 6-7 months, see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/canada/process-in.asp#perm_res but the average time for PR is closer to 12-18 months. There was a couple on this board who was lucky with inland and got the PR in 10 months but at the same time another couple was already waiting 17. It is also not advised to leave Canada while you are doing inland because if you for some reason are denied entry to go back, your application is gone.

 

[lisa_joanne_uk]

Wow, thats great thankyou Leon
Travelling back for the interview wouldnt be a problem, but how would i do it. I mean i'd be staying in Canada but wouldnt i need to provide a UK address as they are outland apps? So then i would have to keep my place here? I've looked at CIC site but have no idea what im looking for, any ideas? Once again thankyou Leon, you've been a great help
Lisa

 

[Leon]

I don't think you have to have an address in the UK. I am not 100% on that, hopefully somebody else knows. If you go to http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/spouse-apply-how.asp#step1 and you pick the form for "If your spouse, partner or dependent child lives abroad", in the form IMM1344A application to sponsor and undertaking, you can in section C, question 6 pick your address, even give it in Canada but on 6b you would answer No. For the rest of the forms, follow instructions for London.

 

[Rasha]

So overall would anyone recommend going over on a visitors, getting married and then applying inland?
We have sufficient proof of our relationship and so forth and i have read many stories from other people who have done this and succeeded, many saying that they had no problems what so ever.
Also what is classed as claiming benefits off the gov. over there? My boyfriend is a single father with 2 children, he works full time but gets some sort of benefit for the children, does this mean he wont be able to sponsor?
Thanks in advance, Lisa

As Leon said there are pros and cons on both sides....interesting to note.. a lawyer in Egypt said had I been Canadian, I could have made an appointment with the conseil in Cairo at the Embassy, to make an argument to get a visitor's visa for my husband to come back with me, and apply inland for sponsorship. But even the lawyer was saying that inland can possibly be an option - and many have done it....

You just have to weigh the pros/cons of each situation, and decide what is best for you.

 

[lisa_joanne_uk]

Thankyou Leon and Rasha
I've just looked at the form and it seems i can do it that way, if they need a UK address i could always use my parents instead of holding onto my place. I'll look itno more, thankyou soooo much
Lisa

 

[Leon]

As Leon said there are pros and cons on both sides....interesting to note.. a lawyer in Egypt said had I been Canadian, I could have made an appointment with the conseil in Cairo at the Embassy, to make an argument to get a visitor's visa for my husband to come back with me, and apply inland for sponsorship. But even the lawyer was saying that inland can possibly be an option - and many have done it....

You just have to weigh the pros/cons of each situation, and decide what is best for you.

Yes, every case is different. If the person is from a country where outland takes very long and/or it's far away and expensive to go back in case of an interview, it would make more sense to apply inland. That is if they have that option. Spouses from countries that are not visa-exempt are often denied TRV's based on that they might overstay. I've heard of a couple of cases where people were told that if they applied outland, once the sponsorship part of it was completed, they could apply for a TRV for the spouse because CIC knows that the spouse will need to leave in case there is an interview so are not too worried about overstaying.

 

[lisa_joanne_uk]

What i don't get is why they are so harsh with it, i mean if they are being sponsored then they will end up in Canada anyway (or the majority of) so why deny the TRV...
Thankyou for all your help Leon, i'm still looking into it all but as it's a lot less time to gain PR it seems the best option
Lisa

 

[Leon]

They are not supposed to issue a TRV unless they are positive that the person will leave again. It depends on the embassy if they issue it and some of the embassies are very bad and will basically not believe any proof that people are planning to return. It can get ridiculous. I heard of one woman who was leaving a 4 yo. child behind and was not believed that she would return from her vacation.

The thing is, at the point they are asking for TRV to possibly get married/sponsored, CIC doesn't know if they will end up getting married and sponsored. They might just stay. Maybe the partner doesn't want to sponsor them or maybe they don't qualify to sponsor because of criminal record, bankrupcy etc.

 

[lisa_joanne_uk]

Yeh, true. Tis all crazy lol.

 

[Suin]

I heard of one woman who was leaving a 4 yo. child behind and was not believed that she would return from her vacation.

I personally know the woman who has two little kids & has the official court decision of being a single mother & was denied guest visa just because they never believed that she would be back to her kids who were left in her country just for a few weeks with one of her relatives.
The consular officer was woman herself & she told that lady right into her eyes that two kids in her country could not be a proof of her return back to her country.
What proof they look for then?

 

[Leon]

Some embassies will not believe any proof. They think that people will go to Canada and overstay and hope to somehow get PR and sponsor their kids later.