DO NOT COME TO CANADA (Part II)

[CanadianJeepGuy]

If he obtained citizenship legally, then let it be...there are also "Canadian born" people who have been living abroad most of their lives - nothing wrong with that, so it shouldn't be an issue if a new citizen does that.

Did you bother to read the link?

The idea of immigration is not meant to provide welfare for those who return to their countries of origin. The idea is to build Canada so it can continue to be successful. If you return to your country of origin without investing anything in Canada then you should be stripped of your citizenship. Those of us that have been here for generations have already made those investments and we identify strictly as Canadians. If after 20 or 30 years in Canada you wish to retire to your country of orifin then I have no issue with that. Just those that only want to take advantage and not contribute.

 

[MASunny]

What exactly do you know of freedom?

No one has forced you to immigrate here. Anyone fortunate enough to survive the processing times should be grateful. If the applicants have fulfilled all the requirements necessary then good on them. The problem with people coming to Canada getting their citizenship and then leaving does not help Canada at all. That new citizen now has access to all the services but contributes nothing into the country while they live abroad.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2009/10/28/canada-emigration-c.html

Dear CanadianJeepGuy, I am happy to see that people like you, are very loyal to Canada than Canadian Govt. who has setup Residency & Citizenship rules for immigrants. All Canadians know the meaning of freedom & basic human rights, so as for immigrants especially.

Your points are not at all valid to be answered here, so I suggest you to live in Canada for 5 years minimum then you would be allowed to go back to your home town provided you should file your tax returns regularly while abroad. Good Luck!

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

Dear CanadianJeepGuy, I am happy to see that people like you, are very loyal to Canada than Canadian Govt. who has setup Residency & Citizenship rules for immigrants. All Canadians know the meaning of freedom & basic human rights, so as for immigrants especially.

Your points are not at all valid to be answered here, so I suggest you to live in Canada for 5 years minimum then you would be allowed to go back to your home town provided you should file your tax returns regularly while abroad. Good Luck!

Highly unlikely that anyone returning to their home country would be submitting tax returns at all. Even if they did I'm sure they would be fixed.

Sorry that you miss the point of becoming Canadian. Citizenship is not an entitlement. There is a reasonable expectation that PR's will become citizens and raise their families here. Those that want citizenship to have access to free healthcare but don't want to contribute to maintaining the infrastructure to support are parasites. Nothing more.

 

[emamabd]

Did you bother to read the link?

The idea of immigration is not meant to provide welfare for those who return to their countries of origin. The idea is to build Canada so it can continue to be successful. If you return to your country of origin without investing anything in Canada then you should be stripped of your citizenship. Those of us that have been here for generations have already made those investments and we identify strictly as Canadians. If after 20 or 30 years in Canada you wish to retire to your country of orifin then I have no issue with that. Just those that only want to take advantage and not contribute.

i haven't read the link, but anyway - you raised a general issue - so i believe reading a specific link would not matter a lot. I see your point of view, but on the other hand you cant blame someone for seeking to build his future elsewhere if he wasn't able to achieve it in Canada. I'm not talking about those who committed fraud or whatever...i'm talking about genuine immigrants who came to this country wanting to stay here - but for some reason(s) things didn't go their way. "immigrants leaving canada" is only a consequence of "something" - and not the "problem itself" - so applying penalties (like stripping off citizenship/ or cancelling PRs) will not address/solve the problem - researching and understanding "why these people are leaving" would help in fixing the problem.

 

[zardoz]

They want a "western" passport as it will give them higher wages then they would get otherwise. This is a well known situation and it really doesn't matter which "western" country they use. Canada just happens to be the easiest..

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

They want a "western" passport as it will give them higher wages then they would get otherwise. This is a well known situation and it really doesn't matter which "western" country they use. Canada just happens to be the easiest..

Exactly.

My wife got here residency for Dubai a few years before we met. She lived ther for a year and figured that it wasn't the place for her so when she left to return to the Philippines she cancelled her residency visa. Thats all I ask of any immigrant who no longer wishes to reside in Canada. If it didn't work out for you then I'm sorry but return your passport please and forget about your CPP and healthcare.

 

[GinnyPi]

If I am being completely honest, I think no one should be granted permanent residency in Canada without having lived here for at least two or three years. Give them temporary visas/permits, let them come and see if they like it and if they can fit in and find jobs. After succesfully assimilating, and not committing crimes here, they can then apply for permanent residency after meeting certain conditions (e.g. Must not have been on welfare for more than X number of months per 3 years, must have worked at least 18 months for every 3 years). That way, those who come and realise that Canada is not for them can beat a hasty retreat, and those that want to freeload can only do it for a few years.
Or they can give 5 years temporary residence with residency conditions, and after that a direct application for citizenship, with conditions like the ones I gave above.
This would motivate people to not give up when faced with tough times, and will make it easier for others to return home when faced with the reality that they just can't adapt.

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

If I am being completely honest, I think no one should be granted permanent residency in Canada without having lived here for at least two or three years. Give them temporary visas/permits, let them come and see if they like it and if they can fit in and find jobs. After succesfully assimilating, and not committing crimes here, they can then apply for permanent residency after meeting certain conditions (e.g. Must not have been on welfare for more than X number of months per 3 years, must have worked at least 18 months for every 3 years). That way, those who come and realise that Canada is not for them can beat a hasty retreat, and those that want to freeload can only do it for a few years.
Or they can give 5 years temporary residence with residency conditions, and after that a direct application for citizenship, with conditions like the ones I gave above.
This would motivate people to not give up when faced with tough times, and will make it easier for others to return home when faced with the reality that they just can't adapt.

I would be satisfied with just conditions that would make immigrating purely for economic reasons unavailable.
The goal in mind is to have everyone a citizen and participating in our democracy. Any immigrant who does not wish to become a citizen should have limited access to certain government services. Certainly they should not be able to hold any job within government at any level. If they are not willing to commit fully to Canada then why should Canada commit fully to them? There are far worse things you could be in this world than a Canadian......like being a Habs fan.

 

[mikenz]

.like being a Habs fan.

hahahaha.. you are right. Canucks all the way!

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

hahahaha.. you are right. Canucks all the way!

GO LEAFS GO!!!!

 

[emamabd]

If I am being completely honest, I think no one should be granted permanent residency in Canada without having lived here for at least two or three years. Give them temporary visas/permits, let them come and see if they like it and if they can fit in and find jobs. After succesfully assimilating, and not committing crimes here, they can then apply for permanent residency after meeting certain conditions (e.g. Must not have been on welfare for more than X number of months per 3 years, must have worked at least 18 months for every 3 years). That way, those who come and realise that Canada is not for them can beat a hasty retreat, and those that want to freeload can only do it for a few years.
Or they can give 5 years temporary residence with residency conditions, and after that a direct application for citizenship, with conditions like the ones I gave above.
This would motivate people to not give up when faced with tough times, and will make it easier for others to return home when faced with the reality that they just can't adapt.

I'm glad you're not the immigration minister!! you guys *you and the jeep guy) just want to make things tougher for newer immigrants because you came to canada before us and got your citizenship. you wouldn't be saying the same stuff if you were a newcomers to canada...anyway i'm glad that you aren't part of CIC, canada would be a nightmare if you guys were making the rules here.

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

I'm glad you're not the immigration minister!! you guys *you and the jeep guy) just want to make things tougher for newer immigrants because you came to canada before us and got your citizenship. you wouldn't be saying the same stuff if you were a newcomers to canada...anyway i'm glad that you aren't part of CIC, canada would be a nightmare if you guys were making the rules here.

There would be little to no change in the application process only in the process that would take place after a new Canadian opted to return to their country of origin as a foreign worker. I am more than happy to welcome anyone who wishes to join the rest of us in growing our culture and our country. I do not welcome those that want all the benefits of citizenship without becoming Canadian on anything more than a passport.

 

[alexblatnoi]

I'm glad you're not the immigration minister!! you guys *you and the jeep guy) just want to make things tougher for newer immigrants because you came to canada before us and got your citizenship. you wouldn't be saying the same stuff if you were a newcomers to canada...anyway i'm glad that you aren't part of CIC, canada would be a nightmare if you guys were making the rules here.

I am completely agree with you. I am glad those two have no influence on Canadian immigration.

 

[GinnyPi]

I'm glad you're not the immigration minister!! you guys *you and the jeep guy) just want to make things tougher for newer immigrants because you came to canada before us and got your citizenship. you wouldn't be saying the same stuff if you were a newcomers to canada...anyway i'm glad that you aren't part of CIC, canada would be a nightmare if you guys were making the rules here.

LOL....no I'm not the minister, and no I don't wish to make it harder, and no, sadly, I'm not yet a citizen. The truth is that Canada is not for everyone. Some people simply cannot adapt, for various reasons. Such people are probably better off in a different country, and Canada is probably better off without them. Did you notice I suggested direct citizenship after a few years of "temporary/conditional" residency? Isn't that better than Temporary resident --> Permanent resident --> Citizen ??

 

[GinnyPi]

There would be little to no change in the application process only in the process that would take place after a new Canadian opted to return to their country of origin as a foreign worker. I am more than happy to welcome anyone who wishes to join the rest of us in growing our culture and our country. I do not welcome those that want all the benefits of citizenship without becoming Canadian on anything more than a passport.

Agreed!
My suggestions are simply intended to help people not give up so easily and get comfortable on welfare, and also so people don't simply keep their Canadian passport or PR card as on option. They are clogging up the system for legitimate immigrants. I am simply asking that Canada hold people in the economic classes accountable for contributing to our economy and not draining it of resources.