Ignored member said:
Profoundly uninformed. First, wrong on the facts: POE officer can choose not to admit any foreign national who arrives at a border, with or without a visa or visa waiver - or as per your formulation: all visitors "must satisfy any concerns a POE officer may have" and on the spot, if required, not just by means of the visa. There is no difference between the regime that applies in this particular respect - having a visa in hand is not a guarantee of entry.
You may jump from joy, because this is one exceptional occasion where I respond to your relentless annoyances, but it is done rather for the other forum members, so they can read and make their own judgment about your baseless assertions.
And I will feed a bit (
just a tad bit, so as not to dilute or digress from main points) of your own medicine to you: after dozens of your persistent
ad hominems ,which I stoically ignored until now, some characterization of you is to follow as well.
First, I note that you have serious comprehension issues. You simply don't understand what you are commenting on
***. It could be due to your poor command of English. It could also be a deliberate obfuscation and
straw man argument. I won't speculate further, but will ask specifically:
What
exactly is
profoundly uninformed? Which one of
my above statements are incorrect?
Now, reading
your statements and assertions, such as
"POE officer can choose not to admit any foreign national who arrives at a border, with or without a visa or visa waiver", and the assertion
allegedly I have made (which is your s
traw man, unless you show where I have said it) , I must ask: where did I
ever state "
POE officer can not choose to deny admission to any foreign national"? Show me, bring me one quote where I stated that, and I will apologize for dubbing you a relentless annoyance.
I will further reiterate (because, clearly, you are not aware of it), that someone who received a visa abroad and has already been properly vetted by foreign embassy/consulate is in better position at POE than someone from visa-waiver country without stamped visa
if there is any ambiguity in their circumstances that can pose a question as to their admissibility. Namely, let's take as an example the spouse of permanent resident who himself is in breach of RO and can't sponsor his wife for at least two years. The foreign national spouse, whether abroad or at POE, must convince the embassy/consulate and/or POE officer that she will return to her homeland after a brief visit to her husband (assuming she will be directly asked about purpose of her visit, and will have to disclose about presence of Canadian PR spouse if asked).
In such a circumstance (which is
not universal, and
does not apply to millions of other visa waiver visitors) , having a tourist visa in the passport gives much higher chances of admission (which, as you pointed above, is never guaranteed to any foreign national). Because, the chances are that this person was already asked about purpose of the visit, properly vetted, and it was already decided by officer of the Canadian government that
she should be allowed to come and visit Canada as temporary visitor. And there is no hint, whiff or trace of attempt to evade detection and sneak into country, whereas as visa-waiver visitor it can be presumed that you are taking advantage of your visa waiver passport in order to avoid being grilled and properly vetted at foreign embassy, where you could request tourist visa and steadfastly face any questions to allow the decision to be made without rush.
NOTE:
Some non-immigrants were
denied admission at the border precisely
because they had
visa-waiver passport (especially in cases involving close/spousal relationship with PR or Citizen of host country), which made them appear as if they were trying to evade the rules and sneak in into the country without proper vetting and getting appropriate visa (and those very people would probably avoid such fate, had they walked into the embassy and asked for a tourist visa, or other visa relevant to the purpose of the trip, which anyone can do, even if they are from visa-waiver country: you can still apply for and get a tourist visa as a citizen of country who can visit the host without that visa).
Ignored member said:
While those who have qualified for a TRV have gone through some degree of checking by IRCC before the visa is granted, that is because for other reasons (eg nationality) they were considered substantially higher risks of violating terms of entry in the first place. And yes, visitors with visas are routinely queried to determine whether their declared reasons to visit (declared via the visa application) are truthful. Now those queries may not be particularly rigorous or aggressive (in part because most visitors probably were telling the truth and their answers are sufficient to demonstrate that).
Again, like an 18 years old teenager who just got a badge and became a street cop, or like a newly converted disciple of the Church, with little to no life experience, you are all obsessed with
demonstrating this and
demonstrating that, with
truth, telling the truth and lies , while the crux of the issue (what asker's spouse should be concerned about) is the fact that as an intending immigrant (in future or present), or
dual intended visitor, she must be able to convince the embassy (if applying for a visa) or solely an officer at POE (if visitor with visa waiver passport only) that she
intends to leave the host country after her temporary visit.
In this regard:
A. You have less time to satisfy doubts of the officer at POE, who (for lack of time and resources) may decide that it's safer to deny you entry (because you failed to convince him that your intent was indeed to have temp. visit);
B. There is no risk of
appearing as if one was trying to
sneak into the country when applying for tourist visa from abroad (why would they apply for tourist visa from abroad if they had intention to sneak in?), and therefore, IF (that's big
IF) one is denied the tourist visa there is no particular problem in future, that person can always come back and try to overcome denial. Or, that same person may even travel to Canada under visa waiver, if their circumstances change (let's say they divorce/ separate from significant other and no longer have dual intent and thus no need to prove that they will leave Canada after a brief visit).
It is very unfortunate that I have to go to such length to explain something that should have been self evident to anyone with common sense and basic understanding of the visa waiver versus tourist visa concepts. But at some point I had to let others know what is the worth of all these childish
Oh, he has no clue!, Oh, I am such a genius, I know better!, Oh, he is so profoundly wrong, but I am so right! exclamations here.
Ignored member said:
Now as for the practical aspect of how this applies: your post is the very first time I have ever heard anyone, anywhere claim that ETA visitors are subject to more checking or concerns in this respect (or that for some reason an ETA visitor should be less confident about arriving and asking for admission). Quite the contrary, all the comments I've heard point to CBSA officers posing more questions, in more detail, to TRV holders (despite that information already having been provided [because hint hint they are checking]) - although very few of the comments I've heard have complained about that being aggressive or problematic, possibly because my contacts were telling the truth (sample bias).
My contacts... truth.... Jesus.... Liars burn in Hell..... I'm Holier than Though.....
Yawn.... Grow up. Get some life experience. Get wise (not smarty pants but mature) and talk sensibly if you want to earn respect and be taken seriously.
Ignored member said:
Perhaps your sources of information have far more experience (personal and reported) with this particular circumstance than mine, which I'll admit is entirely anecdotal - but based on your history, I doubt that.
See above. This will be my last response to you in this forum.
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***someone who obtains temp. visa abroad (and informs immigration or consular officials of their personal situation), and is granted a temp. visitor visa can confidently go to Canada and ask for admission at POE, while someone coming on Visa Waiver must understand that whatever concerns POE officer may have must be satisfied on the spot.
