Different citizenship benefits

[screech339]

To become a citizen you must be in the country for 4 years out of the last 6 years according to Bill C24 or 66% of the total time. http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliament/LegislativeSummaries/bills_ls.asp?ls=c24&Parl=41&Ses=2 Do you just make stuff up in your head to suit your worldview?

Relevant Excerpt:

The residency requirement for citizenship by way of grant, or naturalization, is amended to emphasize attachment to Canada. The meaning of “residence” is defined as actual physical presence in Canada and is calculated in days. New section 5(1)(c)(i) specifies that the total required number of days of physical presence in Canada is 1,460 in six years and new section 5(1)(c)(ii) requires a minimum of 183 days of physical presence per calendar year in four of the six years preceding the application for citizenship.

If you were out of country 4 months (33%) of the time, that means you got 8 months in per year. Meeting the 183 day year. It just means you would have wait longer to qualify. You can still qualify if you were out of country 33% of the 6 years. However you would only be short 15 days. 1445 days instead of 1460 days. I am sure you can easily make up the 15 days over the 6 years. So again not sure how being out of Canada 33% is a huge impairment to qualifying for citizenship under the new rules.

Again, you are now Canadian so not sure how this new rule really affect you, since you got citizenship under the current rules.

 

[screech339]

I AM A CANADIAN CITIZEN. Check my post history.

Where in this thread "Different Citizenship Benefits" thread did you indicate that you are Canadian Citizen. Nowhere. You said you posted that info so I assume you posted that info outside of this thread. Thanks for thinking that I am a "God" capable of reading and remembering your every posts that I have not visited the threads in. Thanks for the compliment. But I'm a human being just like everyone else.

 

[screech339]

@ mathlete

On the topic of paying taxes: Paying taxes is a part of cost of living.

Everyone pay taxes when they make income. No matter what status anyone has. You come to Canada and work, you pay taxes. You do the same in US, you do the same in any of the western world. Paying taxes is irrelevant to the path of citizenship.

Everyone pay the cost of living, no matter where you go. You pay to have roof over your head no matter what. You pay rent, you pay mortgage, you pay hotel fees. Paying for a roof over your head is a part of cost of living. Does this means you are entitled to citizenship because you pay to have a roof over your head? The same principle of "paying taxes". Everyone pay taxes when they make income.

 

[on-hold]

I think mathlete is arguing in bad faith.

 

[screech339]

I think mathlete is arguing in bad faith.

Yes, you are right.

Mathlete not only applied for citizenship, he did it twice after failing the 3 year requirement the first time under the current rules. He sure has the gall to complain about the new rules and paying taxes entitlement bit. Not sure why he is complaining about the new rules when it has no effect on him whatsoever, especially now that he has Canadian Citizenship.

I can understand his gripe with the rules and all that if he is still PR and his qualification stage is at the cusp of the new deadline rules, in order words, landed as PR, roughly 2-3 years ago.

 

[mathlete]

Yes, you are right.

Mathlete not only applied for citizenship, he did it twice after failing the 3 year requirement the first time under the current rules. He sure has the gall to complain about the new rules and paying taxes entitlement bit. Not sure why he is complaining about the new rules when it has no effect on him whatsoever, especially now that he has Canadian Citizenship.

I can understand his gripe with the rules and all that if he is still PR and his qualification stage is at the cusp of the new deadline rules, in order words, landed as PR, roughly 2-3 years ago.

Again you continue making it up. No I applied ONCE for citizenship in 2011 not TWICE. Like many 2011 applicants mine took 3+ years to process.

Out of sheer curiosity how much income tax did you pay last year?

 

[mathlete]

@ mathlete

On the topic of paying taxes: Paying taxes is a part of cost of living.

Everyone pay taxes when they make income. No matter what status anyone has. You come to Canada and work, you pay taxes. You do the same in US, you do the same in any of the western world. Paying taxes is irrelevant to the path of citizenship.

Everyone pay the cost of living, no matter where you go. You pay to have roof over your head no matter what. You pay rent, you pay mortgage, you pay hotel fees. Paying for a roof over your head is a part of cost of living. Does this means you are entitled to citizenship because you pay to have a roof over your head? The same principle of "paying taxes". Everyone pay taxes when they make income.

No everyone does NOT pay taxes when they make income. It depends on how much income you make, and what deductibles apply to you.

I found this study http://www.urbanfutures.com/tax-payers/ on BC here is an excerpt:

In 2009 there were an estimated 3,808,269[3] persons aged 15 plus in British Columbia. Of these 3.8 million, 89.7 percent, or 3,414,530 people, filed 2009 income tax forms, leaving an estimated 393,759 adults (10.34 percent of the population) who did not file income tax returns. Of the 3.4 million who did file, 1,185,740 were nontaxable returns (34.73 percent of tax filers) and 2,228,790 were taxable (65.27 percent of filers). This would imply that only 58.5 percent of the adults in British Columbia (2.23 million people) paid taxes in 2009

 

[mathlete]

If you were out of country 4 months (33%) of the time, that means you got 8 months in per year. Meeting the 183 day year. It just means you would have wait longer to qualify. You can still qualify if you were out of country 33% of the 6 years. However you would only be short 15 days. 1445 days instead of 1460 days. I am sure you can easily make up the 15 days over the 6 years. So again not sure how being out of Canada 33% is a huge impairment to qualifying for citizenship under the new rules.

Again, you are now Canadian so not sure how this new rule really affect you, since you got citizenship under the current rules.

New rules are in my opinion better than the old rules. Under the old rules you needed to be in Canada 75% of the time (3/4 years) to qualify. I far prefer the new rules. That doesn't mean I agree that we should never extend citizenship to anyone out the country more than 33% of the time.

 

[screech339]

Again you continue making it up. No I applied ONCE for citizenship in 2011 not TWICE. Like many 2011 applicants mine took 3+ years to process.

Out of sheer curiosity how much income tax did you pay last year?

You are right. You applied once when you had to wait an extra 6 months to qualify. I misread your post on when you applied.

I paid 100,000 in taxes last year or was it 1000? Oh I don't know. Not sure why you are asking me since I say paying taxes has nothing to do with citizenship. Whereas you do. So I should be the one asking you that question. But I won't because again nothing to do with citizenship.

 

[mathlete]

You are right. You applied once when you had to wait an extra 6 months to qualify. I misread your post on when you applied.

I paid 100,000 in taxes last year or was it 1000? Oh I don't know. Not sure why you are asking me since I say paying taxes has nothing to do with citizenship. Whereas you do. So I should be the one asking you that question. But I won't because again nothing to do with citizenship.

No it does matter, because you think it's perfectly okay to have no say with what others do with your money. I wanted to see if you actually had any skin in the game. I would care a lot less about voting if I wasn't paying into the system.

 

[on-hold]

No it does matter, because you think it's perfectly okay to have no say with what others do with your money. I wanted to see if you actually had any skin in the game. I would care a lot less about voting if I wasn't paying into the system.

In other words, you think that people with money have more rights, and more right to complain, than people without money. There are a lot of places where that is true, but Canada isn't one of them.

 

[mathlete]

In other words, you think that people with money have more rights, and more right to complain, than people without money. There are a lot of places where that is true, but Canada isn't one of them.

No it's not about people with "money" enjoying more rights. Tax payers are not the rich, they are by enlarge the middle class. You realize that as a percentage of income middle class tax payers pay more than the rich? Taxes on dividends and capital gains are only around 15% in Canada. The rich are equity and land owners. They have all sorts of ways to limit their tax liability. The middle class do not. We work for employers and PAYE automatically gets deducted from our earnings at a much higher rate.

I also don't think that anyone rich or poor should have greater or fewer rights then anyone else. If I have an obligation (the opposite of a right) to pay taxes and you do not, do we then have the same rights? If every day I wake up and work long hours and pay taxes while you sit on your hands all day, and benefit from the health care and services that other tax payers and me pay for do we have equal rights?

Sure you could, argue that I could do the same. However if everyone thought like that their would be no health care and no services for anybody. Whereas if everyone who could lived productive lives we could all enjoy even better services and a good retirement.

The title of this post is "Different citizenship benefits" and this topic is unexpectedly right on the money. Some citizens benefit from others labour and some do not. The citizenship test material talks about "Citizenship Responsibilities"

Taking responsibility for oneself and one's family — Getting a job, taking care of one's family and working hard in keeping with one's abilities are important Canadian values. Work contributes to personal dignity and self-respect, and to Canada's prosperity.

I'm saying that if "Getting a job" and "taking care of one's family" is behaving responsibly in accordance with Canadian values, then why should the irresponsible enjoy the same benefits as the responsible?

 

[on-hold]

Don't let the border guard hold you up on your way to America.

 

[mathlete]

Don't let the border guard hold you up on your way to America.

I'm sorry you are disappointed that we have more in common with the Americans than the USSR.

 

[screech339]

I'm sorry you are disappointed that we have more in common with the Americans than the USSR.

What point are you trying to make? I don't understand what's your logic in comparing Canada to US or to USSR. Which form of government do you prefer?