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Declining the ITA

Liara

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dobes said:
The rest of your apprehensions concerning misspelled words or towns are groundless. Remember that you can apply and then decide you don't want to live in Canada. You can get PR, land, and then go home for up to 3 years to arrange things to your liking before you start your life here.

I am convinced that so many people getting ITAs and then rejecting them for one small ground or another is really a symptom of fear over emigrating to an unknown place and life. But applying leaves plenty of time to get used to the idea of moving to Canada, plenty of time to arrange your life, and even time to decide not to do it.
I guess it might be true for people from more stable environments. Believe me, I want this very, very, VERY much. It's getting quite uncomfortable where I live, and that makes me even more motivated. The problem is that I'm probably too afraid to end up being rejected or even banned because of my mistakes, so I was more willing to decline the much-desired invitation, correct the application and then try again a couple of weeks later than risk getting rejected and not being invited again next year (I suspect the score might be raised by then with more high-ranking people flooding in).

Yeah, and I was kinda scared into declining by somebody in this forum (can't find the quote right now) saying he (or she?) woud decline the ITA following the lawyer's advice because the date of his leaving his job was incorrect and would be a misrep (even though it made no difference to the score).

But now I am positively sure I won't decline thanks to the reassurance I saw in this thead. Thanks!
 

Liara

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I keep finding catches, and this time it seems to be lethal to my ITA((((((

I just realized I gained my experience while technically being a full-time PhD student! You hardly ever visit your University even as a full-time PhD student and no student can afford NOT to work full-time in my country so I didn't even pay attention.

Darn.
 

Asivad Anac

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Liara said:
I keep finding catches, and this time it seems to be lethal to my ITA((((((

I just realized I gained my experience while technically being a full-time PhD student! You hardly ever visit your University even as a full-time PhD student and no student can afford NOT to work full-time in my country so I didn't even pay attention.

Darn.
Unless this was done while studying in Canada, this isn't a lethal error.
 

Liara

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Sep 17, 2015
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Asivad Anac said:
Unless this was done while studying in Canada, this isn't a lethal error.
No, it was done during my studies in Russia.
I wonder what the official rules say...
 

Asivad Anac

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No, it was done during my studies in Russia.
I wonder what the official rules say...
The official CIC rules explicitly disallow experience gained while studying in Canada to be counted as part of your PR application. They say nothing about such experience gained outside Canada and members have reported getting their PR based on such experience as well. dobes can confirm this.
 

Liara

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Sep 17, 2015
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LANDED..........
15-07-2016
A complete list of my application screw-ups:
1) Indicated the wrong city in the description of my primary occupation (in the same region of Russia, but the wrong city)
2) Indicated the wrong city in the description of my husband's occupation (again, in the same region of Russia, but the wrong city)
3) Two NOC screw-ups in my work history (the primary occupation is okay, but 2 other jobs aren't, should have chosen a different NOC)
4) Misspelled the name of one job (Chie instead of Chief) – the least of my worries.
 

Asivad Anac

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Liara said:
A complete list of my application screw-ups:
1) Indicated the wrong city in the description of my primary occupation (in the same region of Russia, but the wrong city)
2) Indicated the wrong city in the description of my husband's occupation (again, in the same region of Russia, but the wrong city)
3) Two NOC screw-ups in my work history (the primary occupation is okay, but 2 other jobs aren't, should have chosen a different NOC)
4) Misspelled the name of one job (Chie instead of Chief) – the least of my worries.
No 3 might be serious if it impacts your program eligibility (that depends on your Primary NOC). Others are normal mistakes which can be rectified in post ITA profile without repercussions.
 

dobes

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Liara said:
A complete list of my application screw-ups:
1) Indicated the wrong city in the description of my primary occupation (in the same region of Russia, but the wrong city)
2) Indicated the wrong city in the description of my husband's occupation (again, in the same region of Russia, but the wrong city)
3) Two NOC screw-ups in my work history (the primary occupation is okay, but 2 other jobs aren't, should have chosen a different NOC)
4) Misspelled the name of one job (Chie instead of Chief) – the least of my worries.
Yeah, number 3 is potentially the worst, but since it isn't the NOC you're counting on for PR, it's probably okay. I wouldn't see it as a reason to decline, that's for sure, and also, it's just your EE application, right? You'll put the right NOCs on the PR application, which is the one that counts.

Then, you might consider having at least one other person check your PR documents and forms before sending them in. THREE of us looked at EVERY document and form in my PR application to be absolutely sure it would be error-free. It's not a bad idea to have as many eyes as possible check things out.
 

Liara

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Sep 17, 2015
157
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NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
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AOR Received.
12-11-2015
Med's Done....
16-11-2015
Passport Req..
21-04-2016
LANDED..........
15-07-2016
Asivad Anac said:
No 3 might be serious if it impacts your program eligibility (that depends on your Primary NOC). Others are normal mistakes which can be rectified in post ITA profile without repercussions.
1st job - erroneously indicated NOC 4216, when in reality it's pure NOC 4021
2nd job (the primary occupation) is NOC 1111 (Fine)
3rd job - also NOC 1111 (Fine)
4th job - erroneously indicated NOC 4216, when in reality it's NOC 4012 (-ish; it's hard to pick one, but it's definitely nowhere near 4216 (which is "driving, modelling and sewing lessons"))
5th job - NOC 4012 (Fine).
 

dobes

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Liara said:
1st job - erroneously indicated NOC 4216, when in reality it's pure NOC 4021
2nd job (the primary occupation) is NOC 1111 (Fine)
3rd job - also NOC 1111 (Fine)
4th job - erroneously indicated NOC 4216, when in reality it's NOC 4012 (-ish; it's hard to pick one, but it's definitely nowhere near 4216 (which is "driving, modelling and sewing lessons"))
5th job - NOC 4012 (Fine).
It's all fine, you'll put the correct ones on your PR application.
 

feejay87

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dobes said:
It's all fine, you'll put the correct ones on your PR application.
Its ok if you have entered the wrong NOC for the jobs whose points you ain't claiming as they really won't bother working on that but be carefully with all eyes and ears while selecting your primary NOC :)
 

Liara

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Sep 17, 2015
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Med's Done....
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Passport Req..
21-04-2016
LANDED..........
15-07-2016
Hmmm... Isn't there a raised probability that they will reject me because of NOC (in comparison with the outlook of my application without this inaccuracy)? Like, I'll upload all the documents and get rejected in four months? I mean, my track record, while fully legal, is not particularly impressive, what if they think I won't be able to support myself and use NOC fallacy to reject me?

Whereas I could still decline and have 90+% chance of getting invited again soon (since the tendency towards score lowering is clear)? Or am I too optimistic about my chances of receiving ITA again?

Is this alarmism or wise risk management..?
 

dobes

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Liara said:
Hmmm... Isn't there a raised probability that they will reject me because of NOC (in comparison with the outlook of my application without this inaccuracy)? Like, I'll upload all the documents and get rejected in four months? I mean, my track record, while fully legal, is not particularly impressive, what if they think I won't be able to support myself and use NOC fallacy to reject me?

Whereas I could still decline and have 90+% chance of getting invited again soon (since the tendency towards score lowering is clear)? Or am I too optimistic about my chances of receiving ITA again?

Is this alarmism or wise risk management..?
It's alarmism. If they think you won't be able to support yourself, that is what they will say. CIC makes mistakes (see the medical fiasco), and CIC changes its rules on a dime (see the PCC requirements). But CIC does not lie, and they will not reject you for one reason and tell you it was for another!

What is in your EE profile only matters to the point you got points for it. For instance, in my EE application, which I filled out in February before people knew much about how to do this, I put my entire annual salary down as my funds. Later, when I understood the question was asking what I had in the bank, I put the required $15,000 down on my PR application. There was quite a difference between the two, but no one questioned it. Again - the EE profile matters ONLY where you have been awarded points for your answer.

Even then, it matters only if deducted points bring you below your draw. Again, my draw on March 27 had a minimum CRS score of 453. My score was 466. After submitting our PR application, we got a notice from CIC that we had the "wrong" form of ECA - one that could not be verified online by CIC. On contacting ICAS, which had done our ECAs, we were told that they were willing to simply change my category (for $140 extra dollars) but that they could not change my partner's, as his school - in Slovakia - had not directly submitted his transcript. We decided that rather than chase a school on another continent around, we would forgo the 8 points we got for his education. We were still within our draw, and CIC accepted our decision without question.

Again - on our EE application we claimed a bachelor's degree for my partner, which we had to withdraw credit for on our PR application. It was FINE!

I think at this point you know that putting down a mistaken NOC on your EE profile for jobs that are not your primary NOC will not make a difference in any way at all ever to the success of your application. I think you can also see there is no "downward trend" even though the most recent draw included the lowest numbers ever, as many draws offer ITAs only to those with PNP or LMIA - and the numbers of people with PNP especially will rise as the provinces get in gear to make their choices. There is certainly no guarantee of a repeat invitation -- EE itself could be dismantled after the October elections! Canada has no problem changing its immigration procedures, as many on this board will tell you!

Even so, whether to apply is your decision, though I think at this point you have all the information you need.
 

Liara

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Sep 17, 2015
157
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NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
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AOR Received.
12-11-2015
Med's Done....
16-11-2015
Passport Req..
21-04-2016
LANDED..........
15-07-2016
OMG, your road to PR was a bumpy one.
Point taken. I probably lack the understanding of their attitude, rather than info.
All right, it's time to stop whining and accelerate the process of applying :-X Thank you for your patience, it would have been harder without your (and other members') help.
 

dobes

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Liara said:
OMG, your road to PR was a bumpy one.
Point taken. I probably lack the understanding of their attitude, rather than info.
All right, it's time to stop whining and accelerate the process of applying :-X Thank you for your patience, it would have been harder without your (and other members') help.
Yes, exactly, I think it is a misunderstanding of CIC's (and Canada's) attitude and approach. It's hard, I know - you should have heard me expounding on the Slovak temporary resident process just a few years ago! I could not, for the longest time, understand the approach behind the layers of bureaucracy and it was very unnerving!

It just seemed to me that you really wanted to apply to Canada, but were being distracted from your goal by inconsequential details. I do think you should go ahead and apply - but make sure your PR application does not contain inaccuracies the way your EE profile did. I'm pretty sure you'll be glad you did! Best of luck!