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bestofluck

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DigitalDestiny said:
Appreciate your optimism and positivity @bestofluck. I hope your prediction comes true.

Also, I might be mis-understanding but OINP appears to be saying that they are only allowed to select 5500 immigrants (including dependents) for 2016

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Source : http://www.ontarioimmigration.ca/en/pnp/OI_PNPNEW.html

There are many ways to immigrate to Ontario:

The federal government determines the maximum number of nominations Ontario can award annually. Each year, there are about 300,000 immigrants that come to Canada. Of these, Ontario is allowed to select 5,500 through the Ontario Immigrant Nominee Program (OINP) in 2016. This program, which represents only 1.8 per cent of total immigration to Canada, is targeted towards filling labour market gaps with skilled workers. It is just one option for immigrating to Ontario.
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LET US READ BETWEEN THE LINES AND USE SOME LOGIC.

01. If what you interpret is right than why would they send 6000 PT ?

When they send 6000 PT it means they expect 5500 (nominations with 10 percent rejections)

( if they guessed 3 applicants/file they would issue maximum 2000 PT NOI and issuing 6000 cannot be a mistake)

02. IF we consider they are not able to express everything in words there is something between the lines. I would read the above as under

Ontario is allowed to select 5,500 through the Ontario Immigrant Nominee Program (OINP) in 2016

Ontario is allowed to select by 5,500 nominations through the Ontario Immigrant Nominee Program (OINP) in 2016

This can be proved by the same source you have posted and looking to their update on February 4 2015, which says the same thing is nominations and
and not applicants.

February 4, 2015

Every year, Ontario Immigrant Nominee Program's nomination target is capped by Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Ontario’s allocation for 2015 has been set at 5,200. This includes nominations for both PNP and Express Entry.

Ontario is currently developing its approach to Express Entry. Information will be posted on our website as soon as it becomes available.

http://www.ontarioimmigration.ca/en/pnp/OI_PNPNEW.html

( English has never been that expressive language and we must always read between the lines or we always end up interpreting wrong things)

03. 5500 is nominations. They give 600 points for each nominations. OINP has no right to calculate number of applicants. They just have to issue nomination based on number of applications and give 600 points. After the ITA they are further divided into number of applicants because the cap of 300000 is only for IRCC and no one else has anything to do with numbers. In short OINP only gives 600 points to 5500 applications received and their job is done.

04. the province has already received the sufficient number of OINP applications to meet its 2016 federal allocation.
This means they consider number of applications as number of nominations

I strongly believe 5500 is the number of nominations and not applicants or PR because OINP has nothing to do with number of applicants or PR. They always
use the word nomination for each application.


05/ Looking to other provinces and comparing, NB was given additional quota of 150 and they accepted 150 more applications. All the province consider each application as nomination and dont go by number of applicants. Same is the case with susketchwen and other provinces including Qubec. When they accept 1500 applications it means all will get PR not considering the number pf applicants.



:D :D :D :D

on the lighter side


My English is same as OINP officer who writes the updates. So only I can interpret him well. you all have perfect English so you take each word seriously.

;D ;D
 

bestofluck

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DigitalDestiny said:
Guys, more evidence.....

To come up with TOTAL PNs, IRCC is counting PAs + spouses + dependants (refer to Table 3-3: Total nominations and total landings) at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/evaluation/pnp/section3.asp

@bestofluck, @RajKamal please go through the above URL including section "3.2. Profile of PNs" and share your understanding.

Bottom line, looks like if an OINP application has 3 members on it (PA + 2 dependents), province will have to give them 3 nominations as IRCC will eventually be issuing 3 PRs to them
This is only true for the applications received directly in form of PNP applications and NOT THROUGH EXPRESS ENTRY.

For Express Entry their duty is only to give nomination to 5500 applications. They don't even have to check number of applicants !!!!!

OINP and Ontario Express Entry are different. OEE is just a part of OINP and all the data given is of OINP and not OEE. not at all relevant to us.
 

bestofluck

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@DigitalDesinty

LOL good idea to make us busy reading all this, till the nominations start coming !!!!


:D :D :D :D :D

but I already have 9 in reading :eek: :eek:
 

writetodance

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What I need to write was detailed and rightly mentioned by bestofluck.... With regards to the confusion in nomination and applicants... OMG we are all these far itself is self explanatory... In short it's 5500 nominations and dependants are included.

Can dec applicants update regarding any status update from Ontario as you all received your AOR in June...
 

rajkamalmohanram

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DigitalDestiny said:
You are missing the point.

Ontario can nominate up to 5,500 nominees for 2016 (Source - http://settlement.org/ontario/immigration-citizenship/immigrating-to-ontario/immigration-categories/what-is-opportunities-ontario-provincial-nominee-program-pnp/).

But the problem is, it doesn't mean 5500 PAs/AORs will get nominated as we had anticipated. It means One Person = One PNP Nomination = One PR. OINP can only help 5500 people (PA+Spouse+dependents) to become PRs.
maged_mmh said:
now you know !
Well, despite the wording, I still think it is 5500 nominations and not 5500 people. Like I said before, they send only one nomination (and nomination certificate) irrespective if it is for a single applicant or a family of 4. This is not the case with IRCC - For a family of 4, 4 COPR(s)/Visa(s) are issued.

Anyway, I'll try to get this clarified with OINP. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Updated: Also, if you think about it, the number of ITAs is also for the number of PAs (and not the number of dependents included). Check this text -

Determination — number of invitations

1. (1) For the purposes of paragraph 10.2(1)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, the number of invitations that may be issued during the period beginning on August 10, 2016 and ending on August 11, 2016 is 754.
I think that the "number of nominations" could be taken in the meaning of "number of invitations" in the above context.

Okay, check this -

From 2005 to 2009, the total number of PN applications [Note 24] received by all CVOAs has increased annually. Specifically, from 2006 to 2008, CVOAs were receiving between 32 and 55% more applications each year than the previous year; however, in 2009 the Offices received just 1% more applications over the previous year. Further details are provided in Figure 3-1.
Click on the hyperlink "Note 24" - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/evaluation/pnp/section3.asp#ftn24

It says this -

Applications include principal applicants and dependents.
Also, check footnote 26 ---> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/evaluation/pnp/section3.asp#ftn26

It says this -

[26] The total number of nominations is the total number of applications received (cases) at all CVOAs for the specified period. Given that this information is not available from 2006 to 2009 for “persons”, “cases” has been used. [back to note 26]
So, I guess "number of nominations" = "number of cases" = "number of applications received" = "number of PAs".
 

bestofluck

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rajkamalmohanram said:
Well, despite the wording, I still think it is 5500 nominations and not 5500 people. Like I said before, they send only one nomination (and nomination certificate) irrespective if it is for a single applicant or a family of 4. This is not the case with IRCC - For a family of 4, 4 COPR(s)/Visa(s) are issued.
I agree to this. Ontario Express Entry is a part of OINP and they just issue nominations irrespective of number of applicants. No confusion on this,
 

bestofluck

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writetodance said:
What I need to write was detailed and rightly mentioned by bestofluck.... With regards to the confusion in nomination and applicants... OMG we are all these far itself is self explanatory... In short it's 5500 nominations and dependants are included.

Can dec applicants update regarding any status update from Ontario as you all received your AOR in June...
the list is well updated.page 309
 

bestofluck

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NOT MORE THAN 7 DAYS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR OINP TO GIVE ALL AOR'S TO MARCH APPLICANTS !!!! :D :D :D

The projected date of nominations to start keeps on coming near and near. We can expect nominations to start by 26th August now ;) ;)
 

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Many thanks bestofluck for the info. But it'll alot more helpful if you could share the calculation that has enabled you to conclude this?

bestofluck said:
NOT MORE THAN 7 DAYS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR OINP TO GIVE ALL AOR'S TO MARCH APPLICANTS !!!! :D :D :D

The projected date of nominations to start keeps on coming near and near. We can expect nominations to start by 26th August now ;) ;)
 

rajkamalmohanram

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DigitalDestiny said:
You are missing the point.

Ontario can nominate up to 5,500 nominees for 2016 (Source - http://settlement.org/ontario/immigration-citizenship/immigrating-to-ontario/immigration-categories/what-is-opportunities-ontario-provincial-nominee-program-pnp/).

But the problem is, it doesn't mean 5500 PAs/AORs will get nominated as we had anticipated. It means One Person = One PNP Nomination = One PR. OINP can only help 5500 people (PA+Spouse+dependents) to become PRs.
Kindly check this -

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/december-application-oinp-t395957.0.html;msg5397571#msg5397571

I think paranoia is affecting our judgement!
 

bestofluck

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tari7499 said:
Many thanks bestofluck for the info. But it'll alot more helpful if you could share the calculation that has enabled you to conclude this?
This is not at all Mathamatics so no calculations, just observation :p
 

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Please let me know if there is a whats app group where we can discuss the OINP milestones.

Whom to contact to add myself in the group.

Thank you so much.
 

bestofluck

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DigitalDestiny said:
Thanks @bestofluck, @Rajkamal for the inputs....
Buddy give a chance to OINP once and see....

Gam Jisne diya hai vohi gam door karega
Canada jana hai to hasna hi padega... :D :D :D :D :D :D
 

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bestofluck said:
Buddy give a chance to OINP once and see....

Gam Jisne diya hai vohi gam door karega
Canada jana hai to hasna hi padega... :D :D :D :D :D :D
once you say??
ONCE??

I lost counting after 90!