CRS Work Experience Question and Valid Job Offer

[crovax]

Hey Everyone,

I will be completing my 1 year work experience in Canada in January and within a NOC A job. I have a permanent and full time position for NOC A position. I have 2 questions regarding the CRS point system and I'd appreciate any input:

1.

6) Work Experience

i. In the last ten years, how many years of skilled work experience in Canada do you have?

- I've selected 1 Year for this question

ii. In the last 10 years, how many years of skilled work experience do you have?

-This question doesn't specify if the work experience within last 10 years is in Canada or not. I don't have any other work experience outside Canada. In total I have TOTAL 1 year work experience in Canada and outside Canada. So should I select 1 year for this question as well? Or is it trying to ask my foreign experience ONLY (if you check the point calculation matrix it mention foreign experience - outside Canada)?

2.

8) Do you have a valid job offer supported by a Labour Market Impact Assessment (if needed)?

- Again, I have a full time, permanent, NOC A job and I am holding a open post-graduate work permit. I don't have LMIA. Is my job offer valid?

Thanks and Good Luck Everyone!

 

[DelPiero07]

1 - The question "in the last 10 years" - it is regarding foreign work experience, do not count your Canadian experience.

2 - No, you do not have a valid job offer.

Cheers

 

[crovax]

Ok I've done a further detail research on this.

First of all this website says (I marked the ones with 'OK' I'm satisfying):

Federal Skilled Workers and Canadian Experience Class I can't post links google 'Offer of employment – Skilled immigrants (Express Entry)'
A valid job offer has to be:

-made by one employer OK
-for continuous, paid, full-time work (at least 30 hours a week), OK
-for work that is:
----for at least one year after we issue your permanent resident visa OK
----not seasonal OK
----not on a contract basis, and OK
-in a job that is Skill Type 0, or Skill Levels A or B of the 2011 National Occupational Classification (NOC)
and either: OK

A. the employer making you the job offer has a new positive Labour Market Impact Assessment from Employment and Social Development Canada that approves the offer and names you and your position NOT OK

OR

B. you are currently working in Canada in a NOC 0, A or B job on a work permit that was issued based on a Labour Market Impact Assessment, and NOT OK

-you are working for an employer listed on your work permit,
-you are authorized to work in Canada on the day you apply for a permanent resident visa, and when the visa is issued, and
-your current employer made you an offer to give you a full-time job for at least one year if you are accepted as a permanent resident

OR

C. you have a valid work permit for a NOC 0, A or B job that is exempt from needing an LMIA, and you: THIS IS FURTHER CLARIFIED - SEE BELOW

-are currently working for an employer specified on the work permit THIS IS FURTHER CLARIFIED - SEE BELOW
-have one year of full-time work experience (or an equal amount of part-time work) for that employer and OK
-have a valid job offer from that employer for at least one year after we issue your permanent resident visa. OK


If you check the LMIA Exemption website: I can't post links google 'LMIA-exempt job offers – Skilled immigrants (Express Entry)'

Jobs exempt from the LMIA
You may be exempt from needing an LMIA for Express Entry if your current temporary job is LMIA-exempt, states a specific employer, and is:

1-covered by an international agreement like NAFTA or GATS, and non-trade agreements. This can include professionals, traders and investors.
2-covered by an agreement between Canada and a province or territory. This includes “significant investment” projects.
3-exempt for “Canadian interests” reasons:
I am skipping a, b and d as I don't match those requirements.

c.designated by the Minister
-academics, including researchers, guest lecturers and visiting professors (sponsored through a recognized federal program)
-competitiveness and public policy
----medical residents and fellows
----post-doctoral fellows and people who have won academic awards from Canadian schools
----people who have post-graduate work permits that are employer-specific THIS STATEMENT IS WRONG. How can someone have employer specified on a post graduate work permit which is always OPEN.


I further escalated this and called CIC. After a long talk and sending them these website links over the phone, they further discussed these and got back to me. They confirmed these as mistakes, thanked me, and they said they will be updating their website regarding this. They didn't clarify the issue tho.

So please take a look at these and I'm expecting some input from people who got in pool or planning to get in with postgraduate work permits.

Thanks!

 

[Saskatchewan_Regina]

----people who have post-graduate work permits that are employer-specific

That part was updated recently. CIC may imply something if it is not a mistake.

 

[Batman_is_Real]

I further escalated this and called CIC. After a long talk and sending them these website links over the phone, they further discussed these and got back to me. They confirmed these as mistakes, thanked me, and they said they will be updating their website regarding this. They didn't clarify the issue tho.

So please take a look at these and I'm expecting some input from people who got in pool or planning to get in with postgraduate work permits.

Thanks!

Good see enthusiastic people like you, but for god sake please don't report anymore technical issue unless you really have to. CIC is delaying draws anyways with existing tech problems, any more reports and we won't see draw till Jan

 

[crovax]

That part was updated recently. CIC may imply something if it is not a mistake.

Well I called them and they said that part is clearly a mistake. But they didn't tell me what would be the corrected statement:

-Is it ''people who have post-graduate work permits''
-or ''people who have work permits that are employer specific''
-or are both of them applicable but as separate requirements. PGWP has always been exempted from LMIA anyways (by exemption ministry means: an employer doesn't need LMIA to legally employ a person with PGWP)

 

[crovax]

Good see enthusiastic people like you, but for god sake please don't report anymore technical issue unless you really have to. CIC is delaying draws anyways with existing tech problems, any more reports and we won't see draw till Jan

Well, you're right, however, this effects a lot of people holding PGWP and currently employed. We're talking about 50 points difference here which is a lot IMO.

 

[DelPiero07]

Once again, you do not qualify for those 50 points as you do not possess a valid job offer.

 

[crovax]

Once again, you do not qualify for those 50 points as you do not possess a valid job offer.

Referring to the information above, what makes my job offer not valid? I match every single requirement for a valid job offer except LMIA Exemption. And when they define this exemption they clearly included PGWP holders which makes my job offer valid.

 

[scylla]

What everyone else has said - you don't qualify for the 50 points.

Your employer has to be listed on your work permit to qualify for the 50 points. You have a PGWP - which is an open work permit with no employer listed. If you want the 50 points, your employer will need to obtain an approved LMIA.

You can argue this in whichever way you want - you're not going to get the 50 points.

 

[DelPiero07]

You have an open work permit not an employer specific work permit. PWGP do not qualify for those 50 points.

You can got ahead and try to claim those points, it will only lead to rejection. Any senior here will tell you the same.

 

[candavisa]

Referring to the information above, what makes my job offer not valid? I match every single requirement for a valid job offer except LMIA Exemption. And when they define this exemption they clearly included PGWP holders which makes my job offer valid.

A valid job offer is always supported by LMIA, so if no LMIA then no points.

 

[DelPiero07]

A valid job offer is always supported by LMIA, so if no LMIA then no points.

This is partly correct, a valid job offer can also be from a LMIA exempt work permit which is employer-specific.

 

[crovax]

What everyone else has said - you don't qualify for the 50 points.

Your employer has to be listed on your work permit to qualify for the 50 points. You have a PGWP - which is an open work permit with no employer listed. If you want the 50 points, your employer will need to obtain an approved LMIA.

You can argue this in whichever way you want - you're not going to get the 50 points.

I know I most probably won't get those 50 points. I am just trying to understand why they included PGWP to that list if its an 'open' work permit with no employer specified.

 

[candavisa]

This is partly correct, a valid job offer can also be from a LMIA exempt work permit which is employer-specific.

In his case tho ;D