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Conjugal applications

Nishat555

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Mar 28, 2025
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Hi dears
I have questions.
I sponsoring my wife in Canada my application all status are completed now and yesterday also updated copr documents number and travel documents number issuing country status updated was yesterday evening thing updated and completed butt I didn’t receive any email from ircc and I also didn’t get passport request.
Can anyone tell me how much waiting time for passport request ???
Thanks
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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Hi dears
I have questions.
I sponsoring my wife in Canada my application all status are completed now and yesterday also updated copr documents number and travel documents number issuing country status updated was yesterday evening thing updated and completed butt I didn’t receive any email from ircc and I also didn’t get passport request.
Can anyone tell me how much waiting time for passport request ???
Thanks
How is this a conjugal application if you are both in Canada? Did you update IRCC when your spouse arrived in Canada?
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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No .am in Canada my wife is not in Canada
If you are married why are you applying for conjugal and not normal sponsorship of a spouse? There are no immigration barriers that have prevented you from getting married or being common law if you are married so why did you apply for conjugal?
 

Nishat555

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Mar 28, 2025
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Because our marriage is proxy marriage we were not a same place at the marriage time ..
So please if you know give me answers of my post thanks
 

armoured

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Feb 1, 2015
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Hi dears
I have questions.
I sponsoring my wife in Canada my application all status are completed now and yesterday also updated copr documents number and travel documents number issuing country status updated was yesterday evening thing updated and completed butt I didn’t receive any email from ircc and I also didn’t get passport request.
Can anyone tell me how much waiting time for passport request ???
Thanks
No one can tell you. The copr number appearing is a good sign, bit it's an admin step and does not tell you how soon the passport request will be.
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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Interesting. Not a bad idea to deal with the proxy marriage issue. Did you think of this yourself?
Yes and no because still doesn’t solve the issue that marriage won’t be recognized by other government agencies in Canada. You’d have to get married again unless the proxy marriage is part of the few exceptions like military serving abroad.
 

armoured

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Yes and no because still doesn’t solve the issue that marriage won’t be recognized by other government agencies in Canada. You’d have to get married again unless the proxy marriage is part of the few exceptions like military serving abroad.
You say that - but are you sure other agencies won't recognize it? Can you say with certainty that it will even come up? Are you certain it's a statutory thing in Canada at all? The only references I can find on internet are that IRCC won't accept a proxy marriage for immigration purposes. And IRCC made clear that this is for specific immigration purposes (avoiding trafficking, forced marriages, etc).

After all, a very significant number of agencies that one might deal with are provincial - and I doubt they have policies on it at all. And the feds - again, do they ever ask? I've never been asked for proof of marriage - except from IRCC. And although IRCC can decide what rules it uses and what marriages it accepts for immigration purposes, it has no ability to tell others what is a legal marriage or not. Reminder: at heart this is a provincial responsibility.

Sure, it might get wonky if one ever had to go to court eg divorce and demonstrate things - or some things possibly where benefits matter (but if couple living together, kids, then not sure there's any difference). For death benefits and effective management of a will, perhaps. But I repeat: I have no confidence ANY of them will care about this or even be aware of the issue, if there's a marriage certificate that's facially valid and no-one contesting. And in courts, well, I leave it up to the lawyers to comment - but I don't think there would be a clean 'you may have thought you were married but you aren't because of this technical issue from a decade ago' decision.

Even more so when the standard common-law doctrine applies: a marriage valid elsewhere is valid here, unless contradicting basic tenets of Canadian law. (And I don't think proxy marriages pass that test, since proxy marriages historically have been recognized.)

So say what you like: I doubt it's as cut and dry as you think. I'm disappointed I didn't think of the conjugal route for those in this situation, sicne divorce and remarriage often isn't realistic.

The proviso being that I have a strong suspicion that IRCC would NOT accept such cases where the proxy marriage was for arranged marriages, nor for cases where any hint that it's not a genuine relationship, and extra scrutiny of some things like large age differences, etc., - because those overlap with the reasons IRCC enacted the proxy marriage policy in the first place. So it's not a panacea.

And a warning for anyone who succeeds in this: while I don't agree with @canuck78's assumption that lots of other agencies won't accept it, there ARE potential legal risks, and I'd strongly suggest a consultation with a lawyer. It's possible that the most prominent risks can be dealt with using a marriage contract (post-nup) and a well-written will and testament, as you really don't want to leave your spouse in a situation without clear title to joint assets (and where the estate is, what's that called, intestate AND the marriage could be legally unrecognized.)

But I think the basic answer - as above - is that it's only IRCC that has this rule.
 

canuck78

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You say that - but are you sure other agencies won't recognize it? Can you say with certainty that it will even come up? Are you certain it's a statutory thing in Canada at all? The only references I can find on internet are that IRCC won't accept a proxy marriage for immigration purposes. And IRCC made clear that this is for specific immigration purposes (avoiding trafficking, forced marriages, etc).

After all, a very significant number of agencies that one might deal with are provincial - and I doubt they have policies on it at all. And the feds - again, do they ever ask? I've never been asked for proof of marriage - except from IRCC. And although IRCC can decide what rules it uses and what marriages it accepts for immigration purposes, it has no ability to tell others what is a legal marriage or not. Reminder: at heart this is a provincial responsibility.

Sure, it might get wonky if one ever had to go to court eg divorce and demonstrate things - or some things possibly where benefits matter (but if couple living together, kids, then not sure there's any difference). For death benefits and effective management of a will, perhaps. But I repeat: I have no confidence ANY of them will care about this or even be aware of the issue, if there's a marriage certificate that's facially valid and no-one contesting. And in courts, well, I leave it up to the lawyers to comment - but I don't think there would be a clean 'you may have thought you were married but you aren't because of this technical issue from a decade ago' decision.

Even more so when the standard common-law doctrine applies: a marriage valid elsewhere is valid here, unless contradicting basic tenets of Canadian law. (And I don't think proxy marriages pass that test, since proxy marriages historically have been recognized.)

So say what you like: I doubt it's as cut and dry as you think. I'm disappointed I didn't think of the conjugal route for those in this situation, sicne divorce and remarriage often isn't realistic.

The proviso being that I have a strong suspicion that IRCC would NOT accept such cases where the proxy marriage was for arranged marriages, nor for cases where any hint that it's not a genuine relationship, and extra scrutiny of some things like large age differences, etc., - because those overlap with the reasons IRCC enacted the proxy marriage policy in the first place. So it's not a panacea.

And a warning for anyone who succeeds in this: while I don't agree with @canuck78's assumption that lots of other agencies won't accept it, there ARE potential legal risks, and I'd strongly suggest a consultation with a lawyer. It's possible that the most prominent risks can be dealt with using a marriage contract (post-nup) and a well-written will and testament, as you really don't want to leave your spouse in a situation without clear title to joint assets (and where the estate is, what's that called, intestate AND the marriage could be legally unrecognized.)

But I think the basic answer - as above - is that it's only IRCC that has this rule.
Think it becomes a bigger issue when it comes to various forms of benefits, issues of a spouse if spouse dies or is incapacitated. Most would likely qualify for common law but many would not be happy with defining their relationship as common law. Since this is a relatively uncommon scenario agree that consulting with a family law attorney be something to consider. Quite surprised that there was no pushback by IRCC given the proxy marriage although we don’t know much about the case.
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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Hi dears
I have questions.
I sponsoring my wife in Canada my application all status are completed now and yesterday also updated copr documents number and travel documents number issuing country status updated was yesterday evening thing updated and completed butt I didn’t receive any email from ircc and I also didn’t get passport request.
Can anyone tell me how much waiting time for passport request ???
Thanks
PPR request is not typically received right away. There is a lag in the system. Wait times also depends on hour spouse’s location.
 

armoured

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Feb 1, 2015
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Think it becomes a bigger issue when it comes to various forms of benefits, issues of a spouse if spouse dies or is incapacitated. Most would likely qualify for common law but many would not be happy with defining their relationship as common law. Since this is a relatively uncommon scenario agree that consulting with a family law attorney be something to consider.
Then let's be specific. This actually is NOT about government agencies, as you stated it, but about legal definition of marriage.

And I feel fairly comfortable saying - although I'm not a lawyer, so caveat lector - what IRCC thinks or not about proxy marriages is basically irrelevant. I can find no reference in Canadian/provincial law that foreign marriages carried out by proxy (if in accordance with local procedures and law) are considered in valid. Also strong presumption in common law that valid foreign marriages are valid in Canada, exceptions quite limited.

And we know the history with IRCC. They did it for immigration purposes that were specified at the time.

Quite surprised that there was no pushback by IRCC given the proxy marriage although we don’t know much about the case.
I don't see why, overall, if it meets the other requirements under conjugal. (Again with caveats I noted above of not overlapping with the reasons they enacted the proxy marriage ban). It's perfectly logical. Although for many/most in this situation common law may be perferable, that is a quite specific test that not all can meet. And it is clearly a legal barrier (given that test for divorce in many countries is onerous and time consuming).