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Confusion!! - American to visit Canada for 6 months, please help.

KendraJ

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Hello all,

I'm an American (NYC) in a long distance relationship with a Canadian (London, ON) for the last year, driving up and down every other weekend for visits. I want to come to the Canada for a 6 month stay, so that we have the opportunity to test our relationship by living together before finalizing a decision on whether or not to marry. Now here is my confusion:

1) I'd like to go about this the proper way, and request the six month access into the country, but am extremely worried about proving substantial ties back home, and even more frightened of the risk of being flagged! What I'd have to offer at the border is as follows:
A. I can provide a letter from my employer saying my job will be waiting for me after the 6 months (but it's just a housekeeping job. Would this be looked upon as not important, being that it's not a "career" or more serious job for me to return to?).
B. I can provide proof that I am currently enrolled in my college, i.e. print out my transcripts and such, but cannot enroll in classes 6 months from now because my school does not allow class enrollment so far before the beginning of a semester).
C. I can have my boyfriend write me a letter stating he'll support me (a letter of invitation, even though it's not required under my circumstances, I'd assume it couldn't hurt).
D. I can print out my bank statements, but will only have about $4-$5k USD in the bank, and I'm not sure it that would be enough to prove my financial solvency over a 6 month period?

Now, after reading through these forums, I've come across several posts saying that I don't NEED to do this to acquire a 6 months stay. That I can merely say that I'm coming in for my routine visit for the weekend (which I never have any problem doing), and as an american tourist just STAY for the 6 months from my date of entry. But my fear of doing this is; if things work out well in our relationship, our plan is for me to move back into the states but to Port Huron, MI instead (an hour away from him) and process our marriage paperwork Outland (due to the speediness as opposed to Inland), and just visit him every weekend during the paperwork process. After staying in Canada for 6 months without being "granted permission", after returning to the states, would I then encounter any difficulties returning to Canada for weekend visits?

Upon responding please note that other visas are out of the question; student visa, work visa, etc. They are not an option.

Any advice, suggestions, input, ANYTHING in this matter would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
Kendra
 

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KendraJ said:
Now, after reading through these forums, I've come across several posts saying that I don't NEED to do this to acquire a 6 months stay. That I can merely say that I'm coming in for my routine visit for the weekend (which I never have any problem doing), and as an american tourist just STAY for the 6 months from my date of entry. But my fear of doing this is; if things work out well in our relationship, our plan is for me to move back into the states but to Port Huron, MI instead (an hour away from him) and process our marriage paperwork Outland (due to the speediness as opposed to Inland), and just visit him every weekend during the paperwork process. After staying in Canada for 6 months without being "granted permission", after returning to the states, would I then encounter any difficulties returning to Canada for weekend visits?
If you stay in Canada for six months and then leave, you will not have overstayed, so there won't be an issue. In fact, if anything it demonstrates that you are playing by the rules. Note that - at least for the moment - Canada doesn't even know when you leave. The US knows when you entered.

If you get married, you can also apply to extend your stay in Canada - that's surprisingly common and generally granted. Or you can commute back and forth while they process the application.

Note that "Outland" has to do with where your application is processed, it has nothing to do with where YOU are located. The CIC website is confusing on this point. You can file an "outland" application even when you are in Canada. Plenty of people do that.

Good luck - it really does sound like you'll be fine. You've already established a record of compliance with CBSA so as long as they don't have some reason to suspect you won't comply with the law (which DOES allow you to stay for 6 months) you won't run into any problems.
 

KendraJ

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Hi computergeek,

computergeek said:
If you stay in Canada for six months and then leave, you will not have overstayed, so there won't be an issue. In fact, if anything it demonstrates that you are playing by the rules. Note that - at least for the moment - Canada doesn't even know when you leave. The US knows when you entered.
Does this mean the Canadian border agents do not see my previous departure dates back into the US listed upon scanning my passoprt on my entry? (and vice-versa with the US not seeing my entry dates into Canada?)


Just trying to understand that part of your response, and thank you very much for the advice, especially about the inland/outland process!
 

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The U.S. does have records of when you leave the U.S. by airplane or Amtrak, and they know your destination. I do not believe this is currently shared with Canada, but that may change.
 

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Just for the record they do know when you enter and when you leave it's bounced back from the US, I got copies of my records for the last 7 years cus thats all they had on file (I wanted all 13 years to send in with my app) and it had everytime I entered and exited if I was in a car on a bus etc hell they even had the one time I crossed the rainbow bridge on foot, you would be surprised what they do and don't know.


And it has went a step further US now shares with other countries about when Canadians enter and exit....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/06/28/us-canada-border-privacy-charter.html
 

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Creampop said:
Just for the record they do know when you enter and when you leave it's bounced back from the US, I got copies of my records for the last 7 years cus thats all they had on file (I wanted all 13 years to send in with my app) and it had everytime I entered and exited if I was in a car on a bus etc hell they even had the one time I crossed the rainbow bridge on foot, you would be surprised what they do and don't know.
Where do you get copies of these records? My husband and I wanted to call Amtrak and get receipts for our tickets but each one is $20 for them to dig up and send. We'd be paying hundreds to get receipts for every time one of us bought a ticket. All I have now is just a few ticket receipts since I didn't know that I'd be needing them. That doesn't seem nearly enough to send in!
 

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you have to request your traveler's record from the CBSA... This page should help...

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/api_ipv-eng.html
 

Ryissa

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Creampop said:
you have to request your traveler's record from the CBSA... This page should help...

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/api_ipv-eng.html
Thanks. Looks like It's only available for airlines though? "The API/PNR program does not currently apply to other modes of travel such as marine and rail." Does this mean I'm out of luck? I've only traveled by bus, train, and car.
 

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sorry I posted wrong links, clicked wrong one in book mark...

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agence/reports-rapports/pia-efvp/atip-aiprp/menu-eng.html
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agence/reports-rapports/pia-efvp/atip-aiprp/req-dem-info-eng.html