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nifley

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CDNPR2014 said:
you both are equally responsible for whatever welfare he takes. 10k is an example, not a definite amount. it could be more, it could be less. the bottom line is you are jointly and severly responsible. legally this means you are both responsible for the total amount. whether the money comes from you or your wife doesn't matter. you are both on the hook for the TOTAL amount.
I greatly doubt she will be able pay anything. I pay for most of our living expenses, rent, baby day-care, everything. So I could be on the hook if he goes on social assistance too.
 

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nifley said:
Hello, what does this mean ? What are indications that they have decided ?
that means when his application is approved. you will know when the application has been approved because he will receive his approval paper and will be asked to send his passport in for processing.

i *think* you can actually withdraw sponsorship anytime before the applicant lands as a pr, even after it has been approved. if you withdraw as a co-sponsor and your wife can't qualify financially by herself, the application will be rejected or the approval will be revoked.
 

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nifley said:
Is it possible to contact them without the spouse knowing ?
your spouse will know you withdrew because she does not appear to qualify on her own and the application will eventually be rejected, so she will find out at some point. to me, this sounds like a conversation you might want to have with your wife. surely she will understand your concerns? undoubtedly, not talking about this now will lead to issues down the road. that's a pretty big thing to hide from a spouse, IMO.
 

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nifley said:
Is it possible to contact them without the spouse knowing ?
You said yourself that you pay for everything, so if she doesn't meet LICO without your income, the app will be rejected. She will find out why.

If this is something that you are thinking of doing without speaking to your spouse, I suggest you re-evaluate the state of your marriage...
 

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CDNPR2014 said:
your spouse will know you withdrew because she does not appear to qualify on her own and the application will eventually be rejected, so she will find out at some point. to me, this sounds like a conversation you might want to have with your wife. undoubtedly, not talking about this now will lead to issues down the road. that's a pretty big thing to hide from a spouse, IMO.
Agreed!

It sounds like this will `cost' the OP something, either way...and not just in monetary terms. Hopefully, his wife will be open to discussing his concerns and how it could impact their family...and livelihood
 

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CDNPR2014 said:
i *think* you can actually withdraw sponsorship anytime before the applicant lands as a pr, even after it has been approved. if you withdraw as a co-sponsor and your wife can't qualify financially by herself, the application will be rejected or the approval will be revoked.
I think I remember when I read this section of the manuals, if memory serves, that when DM occurs, they have come to that decision based on all the facts in front of them -- including (co)sponsor. I recall reading that up until the officers have made a decision you can withdraw. Otherwise they accept the undertaking as it is and issue the COPR, etc.

But I may be totally wrong here... welcoming anyone who can correct me to please do so (so I can learn!).
 

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nifley said:
Is it possible to contact them without the spouse knowing ?
No.

If you withdraw your support - the application will be refused and the notes related to the application with show your support withdraw as the reason for the refusal.
 
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mikeymyke

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nifley said:
Hi everybody, I had signed up to be a co-sponser my wife's father to come to Canada. This is because my wife's income alone isn't enough, and I basically gave in to her begging and threats :(
He is not here yet but I my guess is that he will probably be here in the next year or so. Anyway, can someone please tell me what I am on the hook for if things turn sour after he comes here.

What I meant is let say once he's here he decided to go and get social assistance, how much would he be able to get from the government. How much of that I will have to pay back being a co-sponser?
You shouldn't have co-signed if you're not 100% sure of taking on the financial responsibility of being a sponsor. Did you know that you have to undergo a 20 year financial responsibility for your father in law? That's an awfully long time and frankly, you shouldn't be doing this if you're not comfortable doing so, and your wife shouldn't be pressuring you to do so either. It's a bit selfish on her part, and if she wants to sponsor him, she should've worked a second job to meet the income requirement.

It's ironic how you're paying most of the living expenses for the both of you, yet she wants you to take on the enormous responsibility of sponsoring her father. Do you guys have children together? Is she disabled?
 

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mikeymyke said:
You shouldn't have co-signed if you're not 100% sure of taking on the financial responsibility of being a sponsor. Did you know that you have to undergo a 20 year financial responsibility for your father in law? That's an awfully long time and frankly, you shouldn't be doing this if you're not comfortable doing so, and your wife shouldn't be pressuring you to do so either. It's a bit selfish on her part, and if she wants to sponsor him, she should've worked a second job to meet the income requirement.

It's ironic how you're paying most of the living expenses for the both of you, yet she wants you to take on the enormous responsibility of sponsoring her father. Do you guys have children together? Is she disabled?

So I brought up the subject of wanting out of the co-sponsorship over dinner during the long weekend and she threw a fit. Didn't go too well at all.
I know your reasoning and everything but try and back out of these things when a woman shove a piece of paper in your face to sign. Try and see if you can talk your way out of it when she has a baby as a hostage.

Anyway, I might go ahead and back out without her consent and involvement. What are the steps ? Just contact immigrant and provide my info ?
 
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nifley said:
So I brought up the subject of wanting out of the co-sponsorship over dinner during the long weekend and she threw a fit. Didn't go too well at all.
I know your reasoning and everything but try and back out of these things when a woman shove a piece of paper in your face to sign. Try and see if you can talk your way out of it when she has a baby as a hostage.
This is her dad, not yours, she should bear the responsibility to bring him over if she wants him here so bad, and she shouldn't force you to commit to such a responsibility, especially when you're paying for all her expenses.

To withdraw, you just simply contact CIC. Be warned that this will cause the father's app to be refused, and your wife will definitely know that the refusal was due to your withdrawal of support.

Don't feel bad about doing this, as a 20 year undertaking is a very long time, and if he ever goes on social assistance, you will have to repay it for the rest of 20 years or until he dies, whichever comes first. This can be an extremely financially devastating situation for you, especially since your wife isn't even working, so even though she's equally liable to repay the government, they can't do anything to her if she's got no income, they'll just go straight after you instead.

Think of it this way. Your wife can't even take care of herself, how is she supposed to take care of her aging father? A sponsorship, by definition, means to provide for someone. If she can't take care of him, then it's pretty much you're taking care of him 100%, and why should you do that? He's not even your father.
 

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mikeymyke said:
This is her dad, not yours, she should bear the responsibility to bring him over if she wants him here so bad, and she shouldn't force you to commit to such a responsibility, especially when you're paying for all her expenses.

To withdraw, you just simply contact CIC. Be warned that this will cause the father's app to be refused, and your wife will definitely know that the refusal was due to your withdrawal of support.

Don't feel bad about doing this, as a 20 year undertaking is a very long time, and if he ever goes on social assistance, you will have to repay it for the rest of 20 years or until he dies, whichever comes first. This can be an extremely financially devastating situation for you, especially since your wife isn't even working, so even though she's equally liable to repay the government, they can't do anything to her if she's got no income, they'll just go straight after you instead.

Think of it this way. Your wife can't even take care of herself, how is she supposed to take care of her aging father? A sponsorship, by definition, means to provide for someone. If she can't take care of him, then it's pretty much you're taking care of him 100%, and why should you do that? He's not even your father.
Exactly! I have felt really uncomfortable all this time. Anyway, so would it be possible to contact CIC by email? I need some form of a communication trail so I have a record of everything. At least email one can keep a copy of the sent box around. Or should go get something notarized by a notary or something. Regarding the wife, I am not even sure if she will stay with me for the long duration, as I don't possess stuffs like a house, high income etc. So if she decides to leave in the future, it would be extremely bad for me.
 

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From: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/spouse-apply-after.asp :

Withdraw your sponsorship application
You can withdraw your sponsorship application at any time before the relative you are sponsoring becomes a permanent resident of Canada.

You may be able to get a refund if we did not start processing your application.

Use this Web form to request the withdrawal of your sponsorship application. In your request, include your:

Full name,
Date of birth,
Country of birth,
Application Number (if known), and
Relative’s Client ID Number (UCI) (if known).
 

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mikeymyke said:
You shouldn't have co-signed if you're not 100% sure of taking on the financial responsibility of being a sponsor. Did you know that you have to undergo a 20 year financial responsibility for your father in law? That's an awfully long time and frankly, you shouldn't be doing this if you're not comfortable doing so, and your wife shouldn't be pressuring you to do so either. It's a bit selfish on her part, and if she wants to sponsor him, she should've worked a second job to meet the income requirement.

It's ironic how you're paying most of the living expenses for the both of you, yet she wants you to take on the enormous responsibility of sponsoring her father. Do you guys have children together? Is she disabled?
Sorry, to revive this old thread, but I was googling this issue and found this thread through the google search.

I wanted to point out that this issue is quite a bit more common than you might think. I find myself in a similar position as the sole income earner and provider for the family having sponsored my wife 4 years ago. I too am now being pressured to co-sponsor her mom into Canada. Yes, my wife and I are still happy together, and yes she has given me two children, but to be financially responsible for her mom for over 20 years, which will take me deeply into my own retirement, is not at all a comfortable feeling. I understand the desire of immigrants to bring their parents to Canada, but I think they need to step up themselves and foot the bill rather than trying to guilt their partner into that obligation.