Citizenship test: Collective action required, or expect endless delays, years. Example of the effective lobbyng of people awaiting spousal sponsorship

[Das67]

https://www.facebook.com/423596921055456/posts/3569033486511768

They want to impose french test for those applying to citizenship in Quebec.

French is my first language but this doesn't make any sense seriously. This guy and his party have serious issues. I and my family live in Alberta and applied for citizenship, we just showed that we are proficient in french. What kind of federal party called itself "Bloc Québécois" their interest aren't for Canada but for Québec. From what I know most immigrant from English or other languages speaking countries living in Québec, have to learn french for work, school, and others day to day life situations. Why make it mandatory for citizenship?

 

[FlyingLion]

It is clearly out of bounds. I can understand if it has to be done to get a PR card in Québec but it stops there...
French is my second language (English 3rd) but I grew up speaking French (school, family...) to a point that it can be considered like my first. I am going to point that it is so funny that Québec put so much emphasis on a language that they don't even speak, write or read properly.

 

[Seym]

French is my first language but this doesn't make any sense seriously. This guy and his party have serious issues. I and my family live in Alberta and applied for citizenship, we just showed that we are proficient in french. What kind of federal party called itself "Bloc Québécois" their interest aren't for Canada but for Québec. From what I know most immigrant from English or other languages speaking countries living in Québec, have to learn french for work, school, and others day to day life situations. Why make it mandatory for citizenship?

Well, it's just a question of waiting for the liberals, conservatives and ndp to say nah, so they can pretend that they're the only political party which cares about the French speaking majority in Quebec, with electoral wins in mind.
I wouldn't expect this bill to actually become a law...

Quebec already makes its own choices for the CSQ, and it's definitely easier to get it if you speak French (and now mandatory for the Programme de l'expérience Québécoise). We can discuss whether this is fair or not, but Quebec has that right anyway. That being said, if Quebec already had its say for the PR application of people who settle in Quebec, what's the actual point of making a different set of rules for the citizenship for people who immigrated already and have the right to live here. Making it harder for them to be able to vote for a party that definitely will not be the BQ?

 

[BOYX]

This bill will likely not get through. It's just publicity to satisfy all the Québécois nationalists. It does not even make sense to add this requirement since the Canadian citizenship is federal and does not require the citizen to stay in a particular province. The natural next step to this law is the re-enactment of serfdom lmao

 

[piotrqc]

This fanciful request from the BQ probably shouldn't pass ...

Rather, you have to worry about what could happen if a next majority conservative government is established, with O'toole at its head, (Who, I remind you, had won the leadership of his party with the support of people who are very on the right, pollitically ... `` pro-life '' and pro-gun people, in particular ...)

My forecast is that if that happens (And it is very possible that it will happen next spring during the next vote of confidence during the tabling of the finance law, they will once again benefit from the We Charity scandal, from the '' spending excessive '' liberals, etc), the Conservative Party will change the citizenship law retroactively, then toughen the conditions, cancel our applications, and return our papers and forms inviting us to send our applications again ...
When possible, without specifying a deadline. (They will put the citizenship part of IRCC on standby under the pretext of the pandemic and budget cuts, to focus '' on the most essential things, and '' Canadians first '').

I'm sorry to scare you, but unfortunately, this kind of talk will go very well with their bases ... They will even applaud.

That's why we all need to understand the urgency of the situation, and make as much noise as possible before it's too late. We must act NOW.

, Piotr.

 

[O'canada]

https://www.facebook.com/423596921055456/posts/3569033486511768

They want to impose french test for those applying to citizenship in Quebec.

I love to read FB comments than the MP comments.
These guys are making more noise

 

[deadbird]

Such a sh*t show in Quebec all the time! Their favorite pastime is how to f*ck with immigrants and english speaking people. Bonus points if they are a visible minority.

Even though I live in Quebec and have made an effort in improving my French, I think I'll move out soon. The constant attacks are really exhausting. I never feel at home and welcome.

Really sad.

 

[BOYX]

Such a sh*t show in Quebec all the time! Their favorite pastime is how to f*ck with immigrants and english speaking people. Bonus points if they are a visible minority.

Even though I live in Quebec and have made an effort in improving my French, I think I'll move out soon. The constant attacks are really exhausting. I never feel at home and welcome.

Really sad.

Come on over to Ontario! People are very welcoming here from personal experience

 

[andy10]

Someone should try winning the lotto, and then use the money to help all those 65k applicants file lawsuits against IRCC.

no lotto is needed....you're talking about at least 85,000-100,000 people...i am sure if just a handful of them chip in...it won't cost that much...it should be the last resort though...a friend of mine consulted a lawyer and he said a lawsuit can be filed easily, specially that people paid for a service and got nothing in return...there is no guarantee PRs will win, but it will put pressure on the government…it's a win win situation...

People in the forum have to realize that before COVID, they usually held exams for 4-7K people across the country in a typical month...if they start doing that let's say in Dec...it will take them at least 13 months to process the backlog...assuming they will maintain the same numbers. of tests done in a month....it appears most people will get vaccinated by next Spring, which means most of PRs will take the test in early 2022 assuming IRCC doesn't step up its game...

Obviously, the government priority now is to bring more people to Canada to help recover the economy...they don't give a s#@t about PRs...cause they're stuck in Canada and they pay taxes...

 

[Seym]

Since we spoke yesterday about BQ's bill on the french language obligation for citizenship in Quebec...
Well, this (in french, sorry!) probably confirms that it will generate nothing but noise :
https://www.msn.com/fr-ca/actualite...r-la-citoyenneté-depuis-le-québec/ar-BB1baJ7D

 

[Copingwithlife]

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...ring-in-over-1-2-immigrants-over-next-3-years

This upsets me. They are claiming they want to bring 1.2 million immigrants in the next three years. How do they plan to do that when they don't even have a plan to bring back testing? The backlog is forever growing bigger and bigger now.

The Government may want to bring in this amount , but in the end it’s the party in power that would do this . The Liberals are a minority, and the voters somehow influence government decisions. Right now one of the things most precious to voters is the healthcare system , which is teetering on collapse. If voters see more people and people being brought it without SUBSTANTIAL investment in the infrastructure to support this , you may see public sentiment supporting mass transit immigration inbound , falter to say the least
People always say Canadians are a tolerant bunch , that’s true, however up to a point they aren’t
Liberals keep pushing that envelope

 

[piotrqc]

As I have already shared in this thread, the Treasury Board has imposed rules to limit abuse and rationalize the use of the 699 holiday. The new rules have been in effect since November 9th.

https://www.canada.ca/en/government...o-covid-19-other-leave-with-pay-guidance.html

I just noticed that an update has also just been made on the general information site, with a very encouraging reminder (And, in fine, interesting for us! ... I applaud this mention in the government website, and this awareness in the face of abuses ... It is a step in good governance and good management of public funds, which must be welcomed!), see here:

https://www.canada.ca/en/government/publicservice/covid-19/employee-illness-leave.html

Effective: November 9, 2020

All employees who are in good health and able to work, including those required by a public health official or medical practitioner to quarantine (self-isolate) or isolate, should continue to work remotely, wherever and whenever possible.

Of course, this remains relatively good news ... As long as the legal action of their union remains ineffective (ie in treatment, or refused).


... What insolent daring, anyway! ... They dared to go to court to demand the '' right '' to be continued to be paid full rate with our taxes indefinitely, without limits or markers, it's just incredible ...

It is simply an insult to all those who continue to work, salaried employees in the private sector, or self-employed workers.

If you want to see this senseless thing, it's over here:

http://psacunion.ca/legal-battle-begins-protect-use-699-leave-during

... Let’s hope that their insolent lawsuit does not succeed, and that the secretariat of the Treasury Board of Canada does not allow itself to be intimidated by this union.

I think our preoccupation with resuming citizenship tests, and this 699 leave story are closely related ... A resumption, even partial online, requires IRCC employees not to abuse the 699 code.

If they use it = It means time off, it allows them to avoid even remote work.

, Piotr.

 

[Flandernss]

699 allors them to not work at all, even from home?

That would indeed explain.... not only the interruption but the silence of IRCC around the exact reasons why there are no tests....

 

[canvisa13]

Just look at Apr/May/June graph in below link. (Graphs are at the bottom of the page)

From below link: Total hours approved under 699 are : 18.19 Million hours
Let's assume the average hourly pay is around : 30$

So total tax money paid under 699 without actual work is : $545 Million CAD ...

https://www.canada.ca/en/government...with-pay-699-usage-in-the-public-service.html

Copied from above link:
Number of organizations included in this data set 84 out of 90 organizations
Number of employees who claimed 699 leave in organizations included in this data set 112K
Total number of 699 leave hours approved out of 89 organizations 18.19M
Average number of hours of leave approved for workforce of organizations included in this data set 62

 

[Flandernss]

Just look at Apr/May/June graph.

https://www.canada.ca/en/government...with-pay-699-usage-in-the-public-service.html

Since August, only 12k out of 60k employees continue to exploit the 699.

Is this enough to justify the lack of tests on understaffing?