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ottawa-pr

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I had the idea that maybe we should look at processing times based on the region you come from to see whether they might be significant differences between, say Western Europe and Middle East.
 
Also Africa as well. will like to know
 
ottawa-pr said:
I had the idea that maybe we should look at processing times based on the region you come from to see whether they might be significant differences between, say Western Europe and Middle East.

There is only a very small percentage of people who apply for citizenship and post in this forum. If you started trying to collect data you would have insane levels of sampling bias. So you wouldn't get any useful data out of it.
 
Everyone has the rights to request past statistics from IRCC through ATIP under the Access to Information Act for $5, for example processing time by local office, by country of origin.
 
spyfy said:
There is only a very small percentage of people who apply for citizenship and post in this forum. If you started trying to collect data you would have insane levels of sampling bias. So you wouldn't get any useful data out of it.

Not a scientific survey, I was thinking more along the way Imran01 has done in terms of monthly breakdowns. It would give you some sense of what is going on.
 
All this interest dies down once one gets the citizenship, until somebody else initiates this again, as it is with
most questions on this forum.
 
ottawa-pr said:
Not a scientific survey, I was thinking more along the way Imran01 has done in terms of monthly breakdowns. It would give you some sense of what is going on.

Again, those breakdowns would be meaningless. It tells you nothing if you have a sample of fifty people and then see that people from country A need longer to be processed. It would be completely random that you see something in that data.

Imagine you have one guy from country A and it takes 8 months
And you have one guy from country B and it takes 4 months

Would you now claim that country A generally moves slower? No, of course not. And "even" if you have fifty people, selection biased in this forum, that wouldn't change the judgement.
 
Me and my friends from Eastern Europe (non schengen) have very different timelines. It differs from 4 months to 13 months with new rules since June 2015.
 
skekk said:
Me and my friends from Eastern Europe (non schengen) have very different timelines. It differs from 4 months to 13 months with new rules since June 2015.

But that is not surprising since there is a lot of variation among Eastern European countries: Belarus (Russian vassal), Ukraine (pro-west), Moldova (riddled with corruption), Romania & Bulgaria (EU member states). So my guess would be that someone from Bulgaria is processed much faster than someone from Belarus.
 
spyfy said:
And "even" if you have fifty people, selection biased in this forum, that wouldn't change the judgement.

Can you explain how people on this site are a biased sample? In what way do you think the users here deviate from the average person? Are they more likely to have non-routine applications? That is an easy fix as the criteria for an application being non-routine are pretty straight forward. Are they more likely to be more educated? What is the bias?
 
spyfy said:
Imagine you have one guy from country A and it takes 8 months
And you have one guy from country B and it takes 4 months

Would you now claim that country A generally moves slower? No, of course not.

That is easily fixed by looking at regions (this is my first on the spot try, maybe you could divide them a bit further

1. Europe (EU + UK + Norway + Switzerland)
2. Russia, Central Asia plus rest of Europe (from Tirana to Moscow)
3. Middle East and North Africa
4. Sub-Saharan Africa
5. Indian sub-continent (Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan)
6. Latin America
7. China
8. Rest of Asia (Japan, Korea, Indonesia, etc.)
 
ottawa-pr said:
But that is not surprising since there is a lot of variation among Eastern European countries: Belarus (Russian vassal), Ukraine (pro-west), Moldova (riddled with corruption), Romania & Bulgaria (EU member states). So my guess would be that someone from Bulgaria is processed much faster than someone from Belarus.
I wanted to say the opposite. People from same type (non schengen which is non EU) countries has different stories. I am convinced that it depends on personal history.
 
In my humble opinion I do not think that you would ever be able to detect any country specific biases as I believe they are very careful to process all applications in similar matter and even if they would be able to process an application from a specific applicant faster than from another, I believe they make very sure that they let the one from the former applicant sit to not make this obvious.

For what it is worth: when I applied for permanent resident status for Canada while living in the UK, being married to a Canadian, with three Canadian kids and married for then over 17 years it took me exactly six months to get the permit, the same amount of time it took everybody else, even though I believed that I had a slight "advantage" by my marriage to a Canadian and being a German passport holder, with assets to bring into the country. I can assure you I had no faster processing time than any other applicant. In fact: they said it would take 6 months and it took to the date exactly six months.

I think the variations in time have more to do with different citizenship offices than with where we come from and as said, should there be differences in our countries of origin I am sure they make very sure that we would not know this.

Stef.
 
Personally, I believe it is not only one factor playing in the speed of processing. It can be multi factors. For sure, CIC has priority factors. Most important which office location. As well, the applicant situation e.g. Travelling outside.
During my interview, I noticed the officer has paper with 4 boxes / points which she ticked off during the test. She ticked all of them then she said everything is good " now where were you born" . Where you born might affect the security clearance but not the main factor.