CIC Misinformation / Rule Change ?? (Parents & Grandparents)

[Borys]

I want to share my experience of a recent call to CIC customer service regarding the 2017 intake of Parents and Grandparents Program, and ask your opinion about some related stuff.

I called CIC last week regarding Question 9 of IMM 5678.

My Question - Assuming CIC will publish a Minimum Necessary Income (MNI) for 2015, my
question was if the annual incomes from 2013, 2014 and 2015 each has to be higher than the
MNI of 2015? I called this Case 1.
Or
will each of last 3 year's income be checked against the corresponding year's MNI, like -
Sponsor's Income 2013 > MNI 2013, Sponsor's Income 2014 > MNI 2014, and Sponsor's Income 2015
> MNI 2015 ? I called this Case 2.

Answer by CIC agent: Case 1. He also said - if the
corresponding year's MNI were to be used, then in Question 8 there would be 3 boxes, one for each
preceding year, unlike the one (1) box that is there for the comparisons.

I am ineligible to sponsor if it is Case 1, since my 2013 income is likely lower than the MNI for 2015.

However, every single time this issue has been raised in the forums here, it seems that Case 2 is what the CIC uses. These forum posts include:
1. http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/tips-for-2016-future-pgp-applicants-t333951.0.html;msg5556439#msg5556439

2. http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/parents-sponsership-joine-here-t91654.0.html;msg5559014#msg5559014

3. http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t174582.0.html;msg2806353#msg2806353

Given the discrepancy above - what is more likely

1. CIC is using the test for financial eligibility differently for 2017; or
2. CIC agent has given wrong information.

On the flip side, is there anything written anywhere in CIC literature that states, or even implies that Case 2 is how the financial eligibility is tested?

Please share your thoughts...

 

[Amarpreetd]

case 2......my case was no 2 and passed SA....agent is giving wrong info .....if case 1 was true i was not qualified to sponser as my 2012 income was only meeting 2012 cut-off not 2014...parents medical pcc done....2016 applicant....

 

[Borys]

case 2......my case was no 2 and passed SA....agent is giving wrong info .....if case 1 was true i was not qualified to sponser as my 2012 income was only meeting 2012 cut-off not 2014...parents medical pcc done....2016 applicant....

Thanks Paa-ji ! The detailed description you gave is invaluable.
However, the accuracy of call center agents is really worrysome!!

 

[Borys]

Can some more forum users please share their experience with the financial eligibility test...or just voice their opinion on the matter. Please?

 

[Rob_TO]

Can some more forum users please share their experience with the financial eligibility test...or just voice their opinion on the matter. Please?

Each tax year's NOA must meet the PGP LICO for just that tax year. They don't all have to meet the 2015 level. This is common knowledge for parents apps.

 

[Borys]

Each tax year's NOA must meet the PGP LICO for just that tax year. They don't all have to meet the 2015 level. This is common knowledge for parents apps.

That's what I believe to. Except as I indicated in my post the CIC agent suggested otherwise. Hence the reason for this post.
Thanks for your interest.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

That's what I believe to. Except as I indicated in my post the CIC agent suggested otherwise. Hence the reason for this post.
Thanks for your interest.

The call centre agents are very poorly trained and give out incorrect information.

 

[Borys]

The call centre agents are very poorly trained and give out incorrect information.

Thanks for seconding my thought...at least some consolation knowing I am not the only one who has been misled by CIC agents :'(

 

[fardinhakim]

Hi all,

I am planning to apply for parents sponsorship program in 2017 and have a question regarding "IMM5768E".
The form says that we need to report the income for 3 consecutive taxation years which is 2013, 2014 and 2015. This form does not have an income box for 2015. The issue date for this form is Nov 2016.
What should I do in this case?
Should I report 2012, 2013 and 2014? or I should add a box myself for 2015?

Thanks,

 

[Rob_TO]

Hi all,

I am planning to apply for parents sponsorship program in 2017 and have a question regarding "IMM5768E".
The form says that we need to report the income for 3 consecutive taxation years which is 2013, 2014 and 2015. This form does not have an income box for 2015. The issue date for this form is Nov 2016.
What should I do in this case?
Should I report 2012, 2013 and 2014? or I should add a box myself for 2015?

Thanks,

The version on the website is Nov 2015 (not 2016). You need to wait until 2016 version is released.

 

[fardinhakim]

Yes,
Sorry, I had typo in my previous text,
Thanks for the reply,
I have one more question, I will apply from Edmonton, how can I send my document to make sure that they are in CIC office on January 3rd?

 

[Rob_TO]

Yes,
Sorry, I had typo in my previous text,
Thanks for the reply,
I have one more question, I will apply from Edmonton, how can I send my document to make sure that they are in CIC office on January 3rd?

You should send your app in advance to a courier company local to the CIC Mississauga office, who will stand in line to deliver it on Jan 3. There are discussions in the Parents 2016 and 2017 threads on the best/worst couriers to use.