CEC - Refusal on NOC 2171

[amit789]

Hello All,


I am writing to get some help on my CEC application which was recently refused. Here is my timeline for your reference:


ITA – Dec 11th, 2019

AOR – Dec 12th, 2019

Biometric Submitted – Jan 13th, 2020

RPRF Requested on – Jan 07th, 2020

Refusal – May 07th, 2020


My profile score was 475 when I submitted my EE profile. The CRS cut-off score was 473 when I received my ITA.

I have shown 1 year of foreign experience & 1 year of Canadian Experience (8 months + 4.5 months). Hence, I applied under the CEC. I acquired 1 year of Canadian experience with 2 different jobs/NOC.


Canadian Exp 1(Primary Occupation) - IT Project coordinator - NOC - 2171 – There is no NOC code for IT project coordinator hence, I chose 2171 which was relevant to IT job roles

Provided all the necessary documents (Emp letters with roles & responsibilities, all paystubs)

Duration – 8 months


Canadian Exp 2 - IT Project Manager – NOC – 0213

Provided all the necessary documents (Emp letters with roles & responsibilities, all paystubs)

Duration – 4 months (at the time of application)


Foreign Exp 1 – Application Support – 1 year – NOC - 2282

The Employer provided a reference letter explaining that they cannot provide role & responsibilities as it is against their policy. Hence, I attached a letter of explanation including my roles & responsibilities & a contact reference for verification.

My application was rejected on the grounds of not meeting the eligibility requirements for CEC. Below is an excerpt of my refusal letter –


“I note that you have provided employment reference letters from them, however, I am NOT satisfied that you have accumulated at least one year of full-time work experience according to your declared primary occupation (National Occupational Classification - 2171 – Information systems analysts and consultants).

I am not satisfied that you meet the requirement(s) under paragraph(s) a) b) and c) because you have not submitted sufficient evidence to satisfy me that you have performed the actions described in the lead statement for the declared primary occupation identified in your application as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification (NOC 2171 – Information systems analysts and consultants).

I note that you have not submitted sufficient evidence to satisfy me that you have performed a substantial number of the main duties for the declared primary occupation identified in your application as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification (NOC 2171 – Information systems analysts and consultants).”

Therefore, your claim of having acquired Canadian and foreign work experience under occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification (NOC 2171 – Information systems analysts and consultants) cannot be considered. As per the information noted above.

This change in your qualifications resulted in a loss of points that brought your rank below the lowest ranking person who was invited to apply in your round of invitation, under the Express Entry Comprehensive Ranking System. Therefore, I am not satisfied that you have met the minimum entry criteria"


After reading the highlighted red text above I am confused if my application was refused due to NOC mismatch, due to insufficient documentation or due to insufficient work experience (which is not true & it might be just an error from the officer)


While I wait for GCMS notes. I would like to know if I should submit my application for reconsideration.


Any advice or suggestion from anyone who might have experienced a similar situation will be highly appreciated.


Thanks in advance!

 

[nat.abramovich]

Its probably because of lack of duties for foreign experience letter.

 

[Islander216]

Homie, it's clear according to your calculations that you have only 8 months of work experience in 2171 so you don't meet the criteria for 1 year of work experience in your chosen NOC.

Your other experience is under different NOC codes.

Second of all, you need to crosscheck your duties and responsibilities in your work reference with those stated in the NOC lead statements, to ensure that they match enough for them to accept them. It seems this is not the case.

 

[nat.abramovich]

Homie, it's clear according to your calculations that you have only 8 months of work experience in 2171 so you don't meet the criteria for 1 year of work experience in your chosen NOC.

Your other experience is under different NOC codes.

Second of all, you need to crosscheck your duties and responsibilities in your work reference with those stated in the NOC lead statements, to ensure that they match enough for them to accept them. It seems this is not the case.

But is int it like,canadian experience class can be mix of different Noc codes as long as it remains under Noc B noc A noc0 code?

 

[Islander216]

That's a good point.

But overall, you need at least 1 year of full time work experience in your chosen NOC across CEC and FSW to be eligible to immigrate under that NOC. And that's basically what the immigration officer has said.

Although I understand the confusion, because it does not state that explicitly under the CEC requirements. But I remember seeing this criterion that to be able to immigrate under a certain NOC you need to have at least 1 year of experience. You can include experience in other NOCs for your cumulative work experience, as long as you meet the minimum requirement of 12 months experience in the same NOC.

 

[nat.abramovich]

but can that be from different companies under same noc?
Lets say 6 months in one company noc 2171 , and another 7 month in another company under 2171 ?

 

[Islander216]

Sure, absolutely, across different companies with the same NOC is fine.

it's when you don't work in the same NOC for at least a year that it becomes problematic.

They should make this clearer, because when I'm looking at the page for eligibility for CEC, they say 1 year of skilled work experience in Canada but they don't say in the same NOC explicitly. But it should be stated clearly that it must include 1 year of experience in your chosen NOC, because they do require this.

They've also been harsh IMO on OP because his second Canadian experience is in a very closely related NOC. But them the rules.

 

[nat.abramovich]

Sure, absolutely, across different companies with the same NOC is fine.

it's when you don't work in the same NOC for at least a year that it becomes problematic.

They should make this clearer, because when I'm looking at the page for eligibility for CEC, they say 1 year of skilled work experience in Canada but they don't say in the same NOC explicitly. But it should be stated clearly that it must include 1 year of experience in your chosen NOC, because they do require this.

They've also been harsh IMO on OP because his second Canadian experience is in a very closely related NOC. But them the rules.

Thanks for your reply, i appreciate this , but i dont think that thats true,as its not posted on their site. One can work 9 month in one noc then can be promoted to management position which is cool, then why to refuse him,right?

 

[nat.abramovich]

What is done,its actually not fair,i would appeal it, but the thing is ur fireign work experience ruins everything,that can fail you for 100%, but different nocs is a joke.

 

[Islander216]

Thanks for your reply, i appreciate this , but i dont think that thats true,as its not posted on their site. One can work 9 month in one noc then can be promoted to management position which is cool, then why to refuse him,right?

I think it would be difficult for them to believe that someone who has less than one year of experience in total in an NOC would be promoted to a senior position and therefore another NOC.

I can understand that as being unlikely, but it could happen as it did with OP. But technically, his duties and responsibilities would change and so he would not meet the criteria of 1 year of work experience in the same NOC. However, i agree, its still harsh.

I would just try to keep your application as simple and straightforward as possible.

 

[nat.abramovich]

I think it would be difficult for them to believe that someone who has less than one year of experience in total in an NOC would be promoted to a senior position and therefore another NOC.

I can understand that as being unlikely, but it could happen as it did with OP.

I would just try to keep your application as simple and straightforward as possible.

Islander you are smart guy, i can see it brotha! Much respect for you and your parents that raised a son loke you!!
But,believe me, theres no such thing that primay job has to held for at least 12 month.

Your work experience can be in 1 or more NOC 0, A or B jobs.

You must show that you performed the duties set out in the lead statement of the occupational description in the National Occupational Classification. This includes all the essential duties and most of the main duties listed.

 

[Islander216]

Then why did they mention that in his rejection letter?

I've checked some vids on the subject and they also stipulate the same thing.

 

[nat.abramovich]

Then why did they mention that in his rejection letter?

I've checked some vids on the subject and they also stipulate the same thing.

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/ee-cec-work-experience.610079/
Jess on ,this guy knows everything lol please refer to his last comment ,
The reason why VO said this ,because he probably put the wrong PRIMARY title ,and could back up his point with proper employment letters and etc.

 

[Islander216]

Well, i disagree, i think the VO states clearly he needs at least 1 year of experience in the primary NOC overall for him to be able to apply under it. Otherwise the VO would have only stated that his work references did not meet the requirements.

There are two separate criteria:

1. Do you have 1 year of Canadian work experience?
2. Do you have 1 year of work experience in your NOC overall?

He meets the first criteria but not the second.

If he had 1 year of experience in 2171 and 1 year comprised of experience in other NOCs, he wouldn't have had this problem.

Think of it logically, if you don't have this requirement, it means someone could have only 1 month of work experience and apply for it as his primary NOC, for his immigration application. It wouldn't make sense.

 

[nat.abramovich]

Well, i disagree, i think the VO states clearly he needs at least 1 year of experience in the primary NOC overall for him to be able to apply under it. Otherwise the VO would have only stated that his work references did not meet the requirements.

There are two separate criteria:

1. Do you have 1 year of Canadian work experience?
2. Do you have 1 year of work experience in your NOC overall?

He meets the first criteria but not the second.

If he had 1 year of experience in 2171 and 1 year comprised of experience in other NOCs, he wouldn't have had this problem.

Think of it logically, if you don't have this requirement, it means someone could have only 1 month of work experience and apply for it as his primary NOC, for his immigration application. It wouldn't make sense.

I dont know where you get your information bro,
https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/urgent-cec-combined-work-experience-in-two-different-noc-code.533658/
But, Del piero is the boss, i dont mess with that he says
Wish you good luck bro, thanks for interes discussion with you